[Lauramalina]

A I need info on this man (ghulam ahmed pervez). A friend of mine who was involved with tabligh work for over 25 years has started follow this mans teachings. I think a lot of self study has led him to this situation. He believes that only now has he discovered the truth. I have heard that mr GA PERVEZ has many hundreds of fatwas issued against him and that he was done for defrauding a charity. If any brothers/sisters can guide me to any literature regards this man that i can show this friend to hopefully see the error of his ways and get him back to the beautiful work he was involved in before would me much appreciated.

[accelieda]

A I need info on this man (ghulam ahmed pervez). A friend of mine who was involved with tabligh work for over 25 years has started follow this mans teachings. I think a lot of self study has led him to this situation. He believes that only now has he discovered the truth. I have heard that mr GA PERVEZ has many hundreds of fatwas issued against him and that he was done for defrauding a charity. If any brothers/sisters can guide me to any literature regards this man that i can show this friend to hopefully see the error of his ways and get him back to the beautiful work he was involved in before would me much appreciated.

http://rahesunnat.wordpress.com/cate...A%D9%86%DB%92/
see the books about Inkar-e-Hadeeth. Parvez was a deniar of hadeeth.

[Lauramalina]

Brother Usman my urdu is not the best. Anything in english.

[Seisyvose]

Brother Usman my urdu is not the best. Anything in english.

search this site http://www.ummahreflections.co.za/

[zlopikanikanz]

May Allah guide your friend to the straight path Ameen.

[Oxzzlvpg]

ghulam ahmed pervez rejected hadith and the way of life of the prophet muhammad sallalaho alaiyhi wa salam

[iuopyra]

An Article On Him :

Some details about hadith rejector and modernist Ghulam Ahmad Pervez; the founder of pervazi and anit-hadith movement of 20th century. He was declared an apostate by Pakistani scholars due to his heretical beliefs and rejecting the ahadith/sunnh. More about him:
Anti Hadith Ideology is Kufr

Ghulam Ahmad Pervez, founder of the Anti-Hadith movement which publishes Tolu-e-Islam, was declared kafir for his heretical views by the scholars of Pakistan.

1. "Ghulam Ahmad Pervez is a kafir according to Islamic Shariah, and excluded from the pale of Islam. No Muslim woman can remain married to him, nor can a Muslim woman enter into marriage with him. His funeral prayers cannot be said, nor is it permissible to bury him in a Muslim grave-yard. This applies not only to Pervez, but to every kafir. It also applies to any person who is a follower of his in these heretic beliefs. As he has become an apostate (murtadd), it is not permitted by the Shariah to have any kind of Islamic relations with him."

Signed: Wali Hasan Tonki, Mufti and teacher, Muhammad Yusuf Banori, Shaikh al-Hadith,

Madrasa Arabiyya Islamiyya, New Town, Karachi.

2. An organ of Maudoodi's Jamaat-i Islami gave the following fatwa about Pervezis followers:

"If they say that Shariah is only that which is contained in the Quran, and all that is besides this is not Shariah, then this is clear heresy. It is the same kind of heresy as the heresy of the Qadianis. In fact it is worse and more extreme than that." (Article by Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi, in the daily Tasneem, Lahore, 15 August 1952, p. 12)

Ghulam Ahmad Pervez - Islamic Forum

and wikipedia
Allama Ghulam Ahmad Parwez (also transliterated in different ways- Parvez, Perwaiz, Parvaiz, etc.) (1903-1985) was a 20th century Muslim reformer. He is today most known for denying the authority and authenticity of some of the Hadiths which he believed were fabricated and go against Quran and for initiating the Tolu-e-Islam movement. He is also considered as a leading activist in the Pakistan movement.

[giturbewan]

These MOLVIS (PANDITS) have no place in DEEN of ISLAM.
Whoever considers anyone as guide other then, Allah appoints a devil as a guide to him/her:
Allah tells us in Quran that don’t listen to the decorative speech of these people this is just a test for us:
6:112 وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نَبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الْإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىٰ بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ ۖ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ
And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in misconception. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent.
6:114 أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَSahih International
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
Therefore these PUNDITS have no right to issue FATWAS. 54:51 وَلَقَدْ أَهْلَكْنَا أَشْيَاعَكُمْ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have already destroyed your kinds, so is there any who will remember?
54:52 وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ فَعَلُوهُ فِي الزُّبُرِ
And everything they did is in written records.
54:53 وَكُلُّ صَغِيرٍ وَكَبِيرٍ مُّسْتَطَرٌ
And every small and great [thing] is inscribed.

And thus they will have to be answerable on the Day of Judgment for every single thing these people are doing without authority since Allah has not given them any authority:
3:151 سَنُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الرُّعْبَ بِمَا أَشْرَكُوا بِاللَّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا ۖ وَمَأْوَاهُمُ النَّارُ ۚ وَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الظَّالِمِينَ
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
The "HUKM" is only for Allah:
12:40 مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلَّا أَسْمَاءً سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ ۚ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ ۚ أَمَرَ أَلَّا تَعْبُدُوا إِلَّا إِيَّاهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
You worship not besides Him except [mere] names you have named them, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. Legislation is not but for Allah . He has commanded that you worship not except Him. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.
And finally Allah is the only MALIK of the Day of Judgment:
1:4 مَالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
Sovereign of the Day of Recompense

[DeronBoltonRen]

These MOLVIS (PANDITS) have no place in DEEN of ISLAM.
Whoever considers anyone as guide other then, Allah appoints a devil as a guide to him/her:
Allah tells us in Quran that don’t listen to the decorative speech of these people this is just a test for us:
6:112 وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نَبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الْإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىٰ بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ ۖ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ
And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in misconception. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent.
6:114 أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَSahih International
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
Therefore these PUNDITS have no right to issue FATWAS. 54:51 وَلَقَدْ أَهْلَكْنَا أَشْيَاعَكُمْ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have already destroyed your kinds, so is there any who will remember?
54:52 وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ فَعَلُوهُ فِي الزُّبُرِ
And everything they did is in written records.
54:53 وَكُلُّ صَغِيرٍ وَكَبِيرٍ مُّسْتَطَرٌ
And every small and great [thing] is inscribed.

And thus they will have to be answerable on the Day of Judgment for every single thing these people are doing without authority since Allah has not given them any authority:
3:151 سَنُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الرُّعْبَ بِمَا أَشْرَكُوا بِاللَّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا ۖ وَمَأْوَاهُمُ النَّارُ ۚ وَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الظَّالِمِينَ
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
The "HUKM" is only for Allah:
12:40 مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلَّا أَسْمَاءً سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ ۚ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ ۚ أَمَرَ أَلَّا تَعْبُدُوا إِلَّا إِيَّاهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
You worship not besides Him except [mere] names you have named them, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. Legislation is not but for Allah . He has commanded that you worship not except Him. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.
And finally Allah is the only MALIK of the Day of Judgment:
1:4 مَالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
Sovereign of the Day of Recompense

^ you're sadly mistaken. the followers of "pundits" are people like you who follow mr pervez 1400 years AFTER The Quran was revealed. The Quran tells BELIEVERS to follow Allah AND His Messenger which WE do. YOU choose to follow a "pundit" called mr pervez 1400 years after The Quran was revealed and not Allah's Messenger, so if anyone is in the dark amigo......it's YOU.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

A I need info on this man (ghulam ahmed pervez). A friend of mine who was involved with tabligh work for over 25 years has started follow this mans teachings. I think a lot of self study has led him to this situation. He believes that only now has he discovered the truth. I have heard that mr GA PERVEZ has many hundreds of fatwas issued against him and that he was done for defrauding a charity. If any brothers/sisters can guide me to any literature regards this man that i can show this friend to hopefully see the error of his ways and get him back to the beautiful work he was involved in before would me much appreciated.

Salam

Brother, if you are really serious in searching for the truth about Ghulam Ahmed Parvez, you should go and ask Allama Khalid Mahmood Sahib in Manchester (Jamia Islamia, Stockport Road, Longsight). He has written a lot on him and his teachings all his life. I have many of his books about parveziyat, if you know urdu I can upload some of the chapters if you want. But the best option will be to sit in Allama Sahibs mehfil and ask him.

Meanwhile you can tell your friend to read Islamic history, about how Imam Abul Hasan al-Ashiri dealt with the mutazili.

[giturbewan]

Who said that I follow Ghulam Pervaiz Ahmad?
I listen to everyone but follow only Allah:
39:18 الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided, and those are people of understanding.
[B]I really have serious difference of opinion with him [/B]while I am sure he is correct on some of the things. So I differ with almost everyone whenever their opinion is not in line with Quran.
You said: "The Quran was revealed and not Allah's Messenger, so if anyone is in the dark amigo......it's YOU. "
Just reflect on the following verse. You will see that what does it mean when Allah says follow the prophet. It simply means that follow the Quran as clear as day light from the following verse.

قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ مَا حُمِّلَ وَعَلَيْكُم مَّا حُمِّلْتُمْ ۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوهُ تَهْتَدُوا ۚ وَمَا عَلَى
الرَّسُولِ إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ
24:54 Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."
Did you understand that the above verses is clearly saying that Prophet's responsibility was no nore than conveying the Quran?

And if you need more such references I can post those as well and believe me there are many.

AND KNOW THAT ALLH IS THE ONLY GUIDE:
Whoever consider anyone one as guide other than Allah appoints a devil as a guide to him/her:
43:36 وَمَن يَعْشُ عَن ذِكْرِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ نُقَيِّضْ لَهُ شَيْطَانًا فَهُوَ لَهُ قَرِينٌ
And whoever is blinded from remembrance of the Most Merciful - We appoint for him a devil, and he is to him a companion.
And whoever remember Allah since ZIKR= Remember Allah and Quran is mentioned in Quran as ZIKR:

54:22 وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have certainly made the Qur’an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?
And whoever keeps in touch with Quran, Satan cannot misguide them:

7:201 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوْا إِذَا مَسَّهُمْ طَائِفٌ مِّنَ الشَّيْطَانِ تَذَكَّرُوا فَإِذَا هُم مُّبْصِرُونَ
Indeed, those who fear Allah - when an impulse touches them from Satan, they remember [Him] and at once they have insight.
Finally Allah tells us in Quran that don’t listen to the decorative speech of these people this is just a test for us:

6:112 وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نَبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الْإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىٰ بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ ۖ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ
And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in misconception. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent.

Brother I don't tell anyone that someone is misguided or in the dark I just said no one the right to issue FATWA. as a result you issued a FATWA on me. If you have logical reasons and facts illustrate them here and make a logical discussion and if you don't then
Allah is the Guide, I cannot guide. Man can only warn.
Quran emphasizes the use of reason essential to the human growth:
There are people who refuse to reason: 7 times
Will you not reason: 14 times
Allah reveals signs and lessons and admonition perhaps you will use your reason: 8 times
Those who benefits most from Quran are:
• The persons of insight: 16 such statements
• Firmly rooted in knowledge: 8 such statements
• Use the reason: 10 such statements
• Stand on clear reason of proof: 7 such statements
Those who oppose this revelation
• Are deluded: 9 such statements
• In manifest error: 28 such statements
• Ignorant: 15 such statements
• Foolish: 3 such statements
• Have no understanding: 9 such statements
• Only follow conjecture: 9 such statements
• Blindly adhere to tradition: multiple times

Could you please classify yourself? (I cannot do that either you are Allah)
17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا ۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِي الْقُرْآنِ وَحْدَهُ وَلَّوْا عَلَىٰ أَدْبَارِهِمْ نُفُورًا
And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord in Qur'an ALONE, they turn back in aversion.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Also ask him the following question:

When the kuffar bothered Prophet saw in Makkah, He saw often used to reply them with words like: don't you recognize me, don't you know me from before I made dawa-e-Nubuwwat? Do you ever think of the positive qualities I was known for also back then....(mafhoom)

Agar Nabi saw ki dawae Nubuwwat se pehle wali zindagi daleel ban skati hay, to dawae Nubuwwat ke baad wali zindagi kyon nehin?

[DeronBoltonRen]

Who said that I follow Ghulam Pervaiz Ahmad?
I listen to everyone but follow only Allah:
39:18 الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided, and those are people of understanding.
[B]I really have serious difference of opinion with him [/B]while I am sure he is correct on some of the things. So I differ with almost everyone whenever their opinion is not in line with Quran.
You said: "The Quran was revealed and not Allah's Messenger, so if anyone is in the dark amigo......it's YOU. "
Just reflect on the following verse. You will see that what does it mean when Allah says follow the prophet. It simply means that follow the Quran as clear as day light from the following verse.

قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ مَا حُمِّلَ وَعَلَيْكُم مَّا حُمِّلْتُمْ ۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوهُ تَهْتَدُوا ۚ وَمَا عَلَى
الرَّسُولِ إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ
24:54 Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."
Did you understand that the above verses is clearly saying that Prophet's responsibility was no nore than conveying the Quran?

And if you need more such references I can post those as well and believe me there are many.

AND KNOW THAT ALLH IS THE ONLY GUIDE:
Whoever consider anyone one as guide other than Allah appoints a devil as a guide to him/her:
43:36 وَمَن يَعْشُ عَن ذِكْرِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ نُقَيِّضْ لَهُ شَيْطَانًا فَهُوَ لَهُ قَرِينٌ
And whoever is blinded from remembrance of the Most Merciful - We appoint for him a devil, and he is to him a companion.
And whoever remember Allah since ZIKR= Remember Allah and Quran is mentioned in Quran as ZIKR:

54:22 وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have certainly made the Qur’an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?
And whoever keeps in touch with Quran, Satan cannot misguide them:

7:201 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوْا إِذَا مَسَّهُمْ طَائِفٌ مِّنَ الشَّيْطَانِ تَذَكَّرُوا فَإِذَا هُم مُّبْصِرُونَ
Indeed, those who fear Allah - when an impulse touches them from Satan, they remember [Him] and at once they have insight.
Finally Allah tells us in Quran that don’t listen to the decorative speech of these people this is just a test for us:

6:112 وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نَبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الْإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىٰ بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ ۖ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ
And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in misconception. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent.

Brother I don't tell anyone that someone is misguided or in the dark I just said no one the right to issue FATWA. as a result you issued a FATWA on me. If you have logical reasons and facts illustrate them here and make a logical discussion and if you don't then
Allah is the Guide, I cannot guide. Man can only warn.
Quran emphasizes the use of reason essential to the human growth:
There are people who refuse to reason: 7 times
Will you not reason: 14 times
Allah reveals signs and lessons and admonition perhaps you will use your reason: 8 times
Those who benefits most from Quran are:
• The persons of insight: 16 such statements
• Firmly rooted in knowledge: 8 such statements
• Use the reason: 10 such statements
• Stand on clear reason of proof: 7 such statements
Those who oppose this revelation
• Are deluded: 9 such statements
• In manifest error: 28 such statements
• Ignorant: 15 such statements
• Foolish: 3 such statements
• Have no understanding: 9 such statements
• Only follow conjecture: 9 such statements
• Blindly adhere to tradition: multiple times

Could you please classify yourself? (I cannot do that either you are Allah)
17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا ۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِي الْقُرْآنِ وَحْدَهُ وَلَّوْا عَلَىٰ أَدْبَارِهِمْ نُفُورًا
And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord in Qur'an ALONE, they turn back in aversion.

Do you UNDERSTAND what AND means in English or any other language and what it means LINGUISTICALLY? Here, I'll give you some help:

World English Dictionary
and (ænd, ( unstressed ) ənd, ən)

— conj (preceded by good or nice )
1. along with; in addition to: boys and girls
2. as a consequence: he fell down and cut his knee
3. afterwards: we pay the man and go through that door
4. (intensifier): the sauce is good and thick
5. plus: two and two equals four
6. used to join identical words or phrases to give emphasis or indicate repetition or continuity: better and better ; we ran and ran ; it rained and rained
7. used to join two identical words or phrases to express a contrast between instances of what is named: there are jobs and jobs
8. informal used in place of to in infinitives after verbs such as try, go, and come : try and see it my way
9. an obsolete word for if an , an' , Informal spellings: 'n : and it please you

— n
10. ( usually plural ) an additional matter or problem: ifs, ands, or buts

Now do you want to re-write the English dictionary meaning of AND too? So all these English Scholars have got it so wrong all these years when according to The English Dictionary the term "Allah AND His Messenger" is obviously TWO SEPARATE orders, but you've had it right all along and it is in fact ONE order (obey only Allah)?. Go to Oxbridge, Yale or Harvard and present this silly argument of yours and you'll be laughed out amigo. Don't believe me? Try it. If you have conviction in your argument present that to any English academic at any university.

Also, stop using english translations because you've already FAILED at the first hurdle. Why? :

BISMILLAH (the beginning verse of The Quran) - how do you know it's meaning if you can't use anything OTHER than Quran????. How do you trust someone else to translate it for you? Is that your pundit?

Think about it and don't just post some random verses in ENGLISH as a retort because it's boring.

Again...BISMILLAH - HOW DO YOU KNOW WITHOUT USING ANY OTHER OUTSIDE REFERENCE WHAT IT MEANS? QURAN ONLY REMEMBER?


Go away, you're boring me.

[giturbewan]

Not surprising and as expected.
وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا

[ThomasMannfanny]

As you have to deal with a person who is infected with the Parvezi ideologies , i better keep the record straight so that you help that person out easily.
First of all , Ghulam Ahmed Parvez was a rationalist/Deist/Mutazali'. The denial of Hadith was just a tinny portion of his deviancy. He was basically a CSP officer in India before the partition and after 1947 , he shifted to Karachi Pakistan. He got a premature retirement in 1955 from his job and "devoted" himself to "Dars e Quran".
He was mainly influenced by Aslam J Rajpuri who was a lecturer at Aligarh college and was highly effected by the deistic and rationalistic thought of Sir Sayyid Ahmed khan. Aslam j Rajpuri was a staunch communist and he came up with a unique terminology of " Islam ka Nizaam e Raboobiyat". It was infact an effort to fit the communistic pretensions in Quranic interpretations and present the economic system of communism as the core purpose of Islam.
Parvez continued with the task of Aslam J Rajpuri and wrote a Tafseer under the title "Mafhoom ul Quran" in which he did a pure Tafseer Bir Ray' to extract his own claims from Quran. He denied the external existence of angels and said that angels is infact a metaphor for the "Laws of Nature". Similarly , he said that Taqwa means "exploring the laws of nature". He used to say that wherever the term "Allah and his Prophet" comes in Quran , it means the central system of Communism.It was becoming difficult for him to play games with Hadiths so he would say "Hasabna Kitab Allah" (The book of Allah is enough for us).
As all of the books of Parvez are in Urdu and he was more popular in Pakistan so his rebuttals are in Urdu as well. The best one is "Ai'na e Parveziat" written by Maulana Abdul Rehman Kalyani rahimahullah and i am sure that if you buy its hard-copy and gift it to your friend , it would change his mind.
Watch here how he plays with a portion of Surah Al_Takweer > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2sDv...E96E6AD05CC302

[tq4F7YKs]

anyone who says Mr Pervez was a denier of hadeeths , is actually himself a denier, actually we all are deniers of ahadiths , because as wel all know , Bukhari Sahab has collected more than 6 lacs ahadiths , 4000+ out of it are named Sahih Bukhari..... what happend with rest of 5 lacs+ ahadiths? do u guys consider about Imam Bukhari Sahab , that he was a denier of ahadiths too ? no u will not consider so as i, but the point is , it was bukhari's understanding towards ahdiths, He was not a messenger neither an angel,it was HIS NOBEL effort, but what you are doing ? you ppl are following it blindly, there are hundreds of Ahadiths in Sahihain, which are seriously contradicted to QURAN

My dear denial of a HADITH doesnt mean the denial of Prophet SAAW' sayings, Pervez Sahab is very clear on this , he said denial of a hadith means the association of the particular saying with Prophet SAAW is wrong , means the matter of hadith is not said by Prophet SAAW, so there is a big big difference.

for all of you who consider Mr Pervez a DENIAL OF HADITHS,i suggest to read his book , MERAJ E INSANIAT, once you will read this book , you will found him the best " Hadeeths Follower" among us.

[tq4F7YKs]

Brother IBI , i wud suggest you to read the literature of Pervez urself than you can be in a better position to guide your frend whatsoever
otherwise, rest everyone will try to guide you towards their own understandings

[PlayboyAtWork]

anyone who says Mr Pervez was a denier of hadeeths , is actually himself a denier, actually we all are deniers of ahadiths , because as wel all know , Bukhari Sahab has collected more than 6 lacs ahadiths , 4000+ out of it are named Sahih Bukhari..... what happend with rest of 5 lacs+ ahadiths? do u guys consider about Imam Bukhari Sahab , that he was a denier of ahadiths too ? no u will not consider so as i, but the point is , it was bukhari's understanding towards ahdiths, He was not a messenger neither an angel,it was HIS NOBEL effort, but what you are doing ? you ppl are following it blindly, there are hundreds of Ahadiths in Sahihain, which are seriously contradicted to QURAN

My dear denial of a HADITH doesnt mean the denial of Prophet SAAW' sayings, Pervez Sahab is very clear on this , he said denial of a hadith means the association of the particular saying with Prophet SAAW is wrong , means the matter of hadith is not said by Prophet SAAW, so there is a big big difference.

for all of you who consider Mr Pervez a DENIAL OF HADITHS,i suggest to read his book , MERAJ E INSANIAT, once you will read this book , you will found him the best " Hadeeths Follower" among us.

How uneducated you are about the science of hadeeth in Islam if you believe we only follow Imam Bukhari . There are MANY books of ahadeeth. Many books than even the kutub sittah. All those "extra ahadeeths" are still present today and ulama have continued to classify them based on their strength. Even the mawdhoo (fabricated) narrations are recorded to this day!

And no, there is no hadeeth in the sahihayn that contradicts the Qur'an.