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Old 07-07-2011, 09:29 PM   #21
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If you are a Muslim you have to accept and practice Islam in its entirety and get rid of the remnants of disbelief like un-islamic values and understandings; to make it clear, there is no such thing as "teen age" in Islam whatsoever.

In Islam we only have:
  • Non-Baligh (pre-puberty humans, innocent)

  • Baligh (post-puberty humans, responsible for their actions)


and

  • young (less than 40 years old)

  • old (more than 40 years old)


If we treat our youngsters like children up to the age of 40, they will indeed remain children up to the age of 40. We have to cut the non-sense and treat baligh Muslims as responsible individuals; marry off your off-spring at an early age, remind them their duties as responsible Muslims and help them with advice and councel when needed.

Islam is crystal clear and knowledge is for acting upon, if people want to go to hell that's their business.




I agree with you. However you must also understand that not everyone realizes how important Islam is. If you look at the life of the prophet you will see some of the greatest sahaba became muslim after many mistakes and horrible torture to early muslims. It is then important to understand that everyone is different in their path, and that we should be more patient with people and not say "going to hell is their business". We do not know if we ourselves will say la illaha ilallah at the end of our lives so we are no one to judge anyone else.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:16 AM   #22
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Yun Qatal Se Bachon Kay Badnaam Na Hota
Afsoos kay Firon ko Facebook Ki Na Soji....
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:23 AM   #23
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Yun Qatal Se Bachon Kay Badnaam Na Hota
Afsoos kay Firon ko Facebook Ki Na Soji....
Firuan wouldn’t have faced such opposition

Unfortunately he didn’t think of FACEBOOK!
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:00 AM   #24
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wa3likum salam
You are an alim so your father knew quite a lot of things which todays parents dont know. Early marriage should be supported by the family. What if somehow they say okay you can marry , but you should take care of all your and her expenses ? Then ? Other problem is todays education system , I still dint finish my university .

"saalo university/college parh kar bhi ghaday ban ke nikalte hain "




Bhai, if a man can fight his parents for all other things then he can also convince them to get him married. I fell in my father's feet and begged him to get me Married

Haha..May Allah give him Jannat and make his Qabr a Garden of Paradise and may Allah give him Jannat ul Firdous. Ameen Ya Rabb

Ameen
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:21 PM   #25
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wa3likum salam
You are an alim so your father knew quite a lot of things which todays parents dont know.
There is a non-sequitur here brother. If brother Taliban is an 'alim then it does not follow that his father knew lots of things. Thus it is not clear as to what you want to say.
Early marriage should be supported by the family. What if somehow they say okay you can marry , but you should take care of all your and her expenses ? Then ? Other problem is todays education system , I still dint finish my university.
Here you have a point. This is the mind set that Maulana Taliban thinks is wrong and I for one am with him. In your case or in any body's case the youngster at least should ask his father. You should not conclude that his answer would be no by default. I understand that this is one of the most irritating situations for man to be told that haha you want to get married but you do not have a salary.
"saalo university/college parh kar bhi ghaday ban ke nikalte hain "
(Even after years of college and university mere a donkey)
Again the meaning is clear but the object is not. It may mean two things. Firstly it may mean that a university degree is no guarantee of job. Secondly it might refer to the attitude of elders towards modern education. Only you can tell which one you are referring to. If it is the second case then that too is very understandable and very irritating. We have to show sabr on these things and hope for a reward from Allah (SWT). I have faced this myself and still face (few weeks ago I was asked to divide 30 into five parts and none should be even) and I have known people who have been subjected to this atrocity. I can only pray for Mercy from Allah(SWT).

Ameen
I hope it adds something to your observations.
Wassalam
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:35 PM   #26
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I hope it adds something to your observations.
Wassalam
wassalam
it did add quite a few things to my observations but still ...
for the matter regarding asking the parents, im 90% sure i will get to hear the same answer. So why feel that humiliation
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:19 PM   #27
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wassalam
it did add quite a few things to my observations but still ...
for the matter regarding asking the parents, im 90% sure i will get to hear the same answer. So why feel that humiliation

No jigar (dear) there is no shame and no humiliation in it.
(Particularly for a person following footsteps of Hazrat Ismaeel (AS))
Wassalam
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:21 PM   #28
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I recently found out my younger brother (age 20) being all friendly and flirty to ghayr mehram girls (hes then school mates) on facebook its disgusting, astaghfirullaahWa Alaikum As Salam Sista.Its like alcohol and gambling they have there good advantages but the bad outweighs the good therefore its haram and so should facebook be haram for Muslims.We have many forums now a days U R A Creator is one that rivals facebook it good for young Muslims.May Allah increase our iman.Ameen
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:42 PM   #29
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As Salaamu 'aleykum

I recently found out my younger brother (age 20) being all friendly and flirty to ghayr mehram girls (hes then school mates) on facebook its disgusting, astaghfirullaah, I didnt expect it from him, I am so annoyed, please help what do I do? obviously I must forbid the evil, rght? He has lost all respect that I had for him this is so sickening, and whats even worse is that those girls (mainly muslims) too response him in same manner. Wheres the self respect? Why to fall for someone this low? la hawla wala quwwata illa billa

I am so upset with it, subhanAllaah
So teh update is that, this (my bros school mate/fb girl) sister's wali along with two women are coming over to our house for lunch with the proposal for marriage. To be honest I am not at all happy with it (member of my family can very well see this) cos I know it all started in haraam ways so do my and her parents. What abhors me is that everybody knows about this haraam way of them chatting/talking yet noones forbidding it in action
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:45 PM   #30
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jazaakumAllaah khyran to all the posters

and may i just add that i come from a pretty practising family, my this brother is a haafidh and frequent in jamaat and weekly ijtimah so are teh women of my house regular in mastooraat jamaat, but this nonsense of his is making me puke, astaghfirullaah
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:49 PM   #31
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wa3likum salam

"saalo university/college parh kar bhi ghaday ban ke nikalte hain "


You should be definitely from indo-pak
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Old 10-15-2011, 09:26 PM   #32
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I'll try to look for the silver lining sister. If a marriage stops a haraam then it should be taken as mustahab. We should go for it and forget the past. May Allah(SWT) guide us, including your brother, to the right path.
Wallahualam.
Wassalam
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Old 10-15-2011, 09:29 PM   #33
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I'll try to look for the silver lining sister. If a marriage stops a haraam then it should be taken as mustahab. We should go for it and forget the past. May Allah(SWT) guide us, including your brother, to the right path.
Wallahualam.
Wassalam
hazrath

I was thinking the same what you wrote but atleast one should do istekhara...
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:00 PM   #34
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So teh update is that, this (my bros school mate/fb girl) sister's wali along with two women are coming over to our house for lunch with the proposal for marriage. To be honest I am not at all happy with it (member of my family can very well see this) cos I know it all started in haraam ways so do my and her parents. What abhors me is that everybody knows about this haraam way of them chatting/talking yet noones forbidding it in action
you should be happy and relieved, to be honest.

most kids would have gone all the way. Your brother put a break on it and went for marriage, before things got to far. He has taqwa in him, which a lot of kids dont have, and he made a mistake by developing his relationship online. Forgive him, be happy that he has found a good partner, and give him support in his married life.

be happy he is now satisfying himself in halal ways, and not haram ways.

you should be grateful for that.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:19 PM   #35
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you should support this marriage.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:26 PM   #36
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This is the reason I say there should be NO internet or computer at home. Majority abuse the usage of computers.

Early marriages is ONE cure to these problems.

aoa,

how do you expect students to benefit from internet then?or people to correspond for work?
the solution for teenagers may be is to have the computer in an open place where everyone sits. and the parents and older siblings should keep an eye. also the youngsters should be counselled frequently by elders and their attentions should be focused on religion.

this isnt TV that you can just throw out of the house and it wont harm anyone. internet has several good uses.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:27 PM   #37
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I fell in my father's feet and begged him to get me Married
hahahaha
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:28 PM   #38
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aoa,

how do you expect students to benefit from internet then?or people to correspond for work?
the solution for teenagers may be is to have the computer in an open place where everyone sits. and the parents and older siblings should keep an eye. also the youngsters should be counselled frequently by elders and their attentions should be focused on religion.

this isnt TV that you can just throw out of the house and it wont harm anyone. internet has several good uses.
In UAE and Qatar there is a strong firewall so you can't enter bad sites even if you want to.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:34 PM   #39
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In UAE and Qatar there is a strong firewall so you can't enter bad sites even if you want to.
that might work for 'bad' sites but facebook isnt in the same category. you cant just ban it for kids. some people may need to keep in touch with relatives via facebook.the way to go about it is parental and sibling guidance and counseling.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:53 PM   #40
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that might work for 'bad' sites but facebook isnt in the same category. you cant just ban it for kids. some people may need to keep in touch with relatives via facebook.the way to go about it is parental and sibling guidance and counseling.


up untill few years back it was being encouraged for kids to "write" letters to their grandparents, and suddenly life is abnormal without these new social websites. I understand what you are saying that it has goods, but we have lived with the same goodness being derived from other avenues for years. We need not succumb to internet so much that we are unable to imagine our lives without it.

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