[AngelBee]

Can we have a thread about about state of Ummah and Dawah in the west? In another thread brother Dawud says the similar things as Dr Abu-Tamim said above about migration to west and this is a decidedly disconcerting news.
Wassalam

I will say it again. I believe that Muslims should not migrate to the West.

[JonnTEN]

Abu Tamim saab but you are telling me that the muslims of hindustan are in a better position? Do your hospitals, airports, universities have prayer rooms and wudhu facilities for starters and then we shall start on everything else.

[SinncmxM]

Abu Tamim saab but you are telling me that the muslims of hindustan are in a better position? Do your hospitals, airports, universities have prayer rooms and wudhu facilities for starters and then we shall start on everything else.

1. Airport in Hyderabad has Prayer Hall
2. The company I worked for, Accenture, has Masjid with a full time Imam in Bangalore and we have musalla in Hyderabad. My Project Manager encourages us (muslims) to offer our prayers and sometimes he reminds us if we forget or when we are busy in other works.
3. Even though we do not have full time masajids in all of our colleges, we are not stopped if we want to go outside for prayers. Though minority colleges have masajid on campus.

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Some of the Dhaba (roadside eatery) owners on GT Road have Salah rooms.
Wassalam

[AngelBee]

Abu Tamim saab but you are telling me that the muslims of hindustan are in a better position? Do your hospitals, airports, universities have prayer rooms and wudhu facilities for starters and then we shall start on everything else.

We are poor people hadrat. Hamare zyaada nakhre nahin hain.
Wudu facilities for us mean water and a place to wash ourselves.
Prayer rooms for us mean anyplace where we can spread a musalla and pray.
By the way, I was referring to the freedom that we have to pray anywhere, not the availability of "facilities" which seems to weigh so heavily on the cultured, Western, Muslim mind.
Remember in dua's.

[JonnTEN]

hazrat abu tamim saab let us be realistic about the state of the muslim ummah. If there is not a separate prayer room and wash facilities how many muslims will pray on the streets and figure out where the qibla is? What is the chance of salah with jamaat? You know I went to an indian hospital once in an arab country and I asked them where is the prayer room? They told me we don't have one. This is the amount of religious freedom that you get? In the UK all universities, most colleges with sizeable muslim population, hospitals, public sector work places (generally) have prayer rooms and wash facilities. You go to the airports and you shall find the same facilities. To the dear brother who mentioned hyderabad please take hyderabad out of the equation as it is a place which has a muslim majority and generally favourable conditions for muslims. My own family is from Gujrat and I can tell you 100% that we have more freedom to practice islam in the UK than we do in India. With regards to your comment about being poor well how much money does it take to set up a prayer room? After you answer this question then you can tell me how many muslims are employed in the public sector in India. The largest employer is the train service so please furnish some facts in this regard. I have not even started on the firing of the indian army on the muslim masses and other such practices.

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(1) Hazrat the things have changed for worse because of the RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrand Dal-Shiv Sena onslaught.
(2) A few months after the Gujrat Pogrom noted journalist Prafulla Bidwai(I think he is from Gujrat but got to confirm that) had come to our town and he said that Gujrat is the most communal state in India. Thus example of Gujrat is not the typical one. The most pungent Barelwi stories that I have heard are from Gujrat. I have met only a single Gujrati in my professional dealings and he indeed left a lot to be desired. I hope whole of the country does not follow suit.
(3) In the rest of the country we are not constantly on our guard.
(4) Though slowly that has disappeared but one was used to the scene where Hindu women will be found standing out side the mosque after Maghrib prayers and outgoing people will be blowing on the infants in their arms.
(5) To the majority Muslim was just another cast among pundits, thakurs, jats, baniyas, goojars.
(6) Many Indians consider a practicing Muslim to be better than a non-practicing one.
(7) It is not all hunky dory but except for the duration of riots the communal tension is usually not on our mind.

I hope somebody else might give a comprehensive conclusion.
Wassalam

[AngelBee]

hazrat abu tamim saab let us be realistic about the state of the muslim ummah*. If there is not a separate prayer room and wash facilities how many muslims will pray on the streets and figure out where the qibla is?** What is the chance of salah with jamaat? You know I went to an indian hospital once in an arab country and I asked them where is the prayer room? They told me we don't have one. This is the amount of religious freedom that you get?*** In the UK all universities, most colleges with sizeable muslim population, hospitals, public sector work places (generally) have prayer rooms and wash facilities. You go to the airports and you shall find the same facilities. To the dear brother who mentioned hyderabad please take hyderabad out of the equation as it is a place which has a muslim majority and generally favourable conditions for muslims. My own family is from Gujrat and I can tell you 100% that we have more freedom to practice islam in the UK than we do in India. With regards to your comment about being poor well how much money does it take to set up a prayer room? After you answer this question then you can tell me how many muslims are employed in the public sector in India. The largest employer is the train service so please furnish some facts in this regard. I have not even started on the firing of the indian army on the muslim masses and other such practices****.

*Hadrat, believe me, there is perhaps no group of Muslims more realistic about the state of the Umma than the Indian Muslims.

**Separate washroom facilities? Most Indian Muslims don't have that in their own home. But they make do. By what right can we demand a separate room particularly, when we can pray anywhere we want. Figuring out the Qibla is not rocket science, hadrat. Those who want to pray pray anywhere and find out where the Qibla is.

***An Indian Hospital in an Arab country? Why, the place must be teeming with mosques. Why search for a room to pray when you can pray in a mosque? And that is what the management of the hospital must have thought....that Muslim "men" would go and pray in the closest mosque.

**** We are aware of all the atrocities committed on the Muslims in India. But let us not add imaginary complaints. That's my point...that there is no point in chasing shadows.

[AngelBee]

(1) Hazrat the things have changed for worse because of the RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrand Dal-Shiv Sena onslaught.
(2) A few months after the Gujrat Pogrom noted journalist Prafulla Bidwai(I think he is from Gujrat but got to confirm that) had come to our town and he said that Gujrat is the most communal state in India. Thus example of Gujrat is not the typical one. The most pungent Barelwi stories that I have heard are from Gujrat. I have met only a single Gujrati in my professional dealings and he indeed left a lot to be desired. I hope whole of the country does not follow suit.
(3) In the rest of the country we are not constantly on our guard.
(4) Though slowly that has disappeared but one was used to the scene where Hindu women will be found standing out side the mosque after Maghrib prayers and outgoing people will be blowing on the infants in their arms.
(5) To the majority Muslim was just another cast among pundits, thakurs, jats, baniyas, goojars.
(6) Many Indians consider a practicing Muslim to be better than a non-practicing one.
(7) It is not all hunky dory but except for the duration of riots the communal tension is usually not on our mind.

I hope somebody else might give a comprehensive conclusion.
Wassalam

After Gujarat, Orissa is their next target for a hindoo state.
Nowadays Muslim women stand outside temples for blessings instead of the other way around.
May Allah help us.

[AngelBee]

(1) Hazrat the things have changed for worse because of the RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrand Dal-Shiv Sena onslaught.
(2) A few months after the Gujrat Pogrom noted journalist Prafulla Bidwai(I think he is from Gujrat but got to confirm that) had come to our town and he said that Gujrat is the most communal state in India. Thus example of Gujrat is not the typical one. The most pungent Barelwi stories that I have heard are from Gujrat. I have met only a single Gujrati in my professional dealings and he indeed left a lot to be desired. I hope whole of the country does not follow suit.
(3) In the rest of the country we are not constantly on our guard.
(4) Though slowly that has disappeared but one was used to the scene where Hindu women will be found standing out side the mosque after Maghrib prayers and outgoing people will be blowing on the infants in their arms.
(5) To the majority Muslim was just another cast among pundits, thakurs, jats, baniyas, goojars.
(6) Many Indians consider a practicing Muslim to be better than a non-practicing one.
(7) It is not all hunky dory but except for the duration of riots the communal tension is usually not on our mind.

I hope somebody else might give a comprehensive conclusion.
Wassalam

As time passes, I have noted that Modi is becoming a hero for more and more Hindus.
May Allah protect us.

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As time passes, I have noted that Modi is becoming a hero for more and more Hindus.
May Allah protect us.

Our reliance should be own Allah(SWT) and we should make our own efforts to take care of ourselves.
We are doing neither. That the Secular Democratic Republic of India will take care of our affairs is what we assume and take for granted. This is not guaranteed in the constitution. Constitution guarantees only equal opportunity and that too gets diluted by the ground reality. Only very lately Muslims have started opening their mouth regarding their interests but that is still very little.
Wassalam

[AngelBee]

Our reliance should be own Allah(SWT) and we should make our own efforts to take care of ourselves.
We are doing neither. That the Secular Democratic Republic of India will take care of our affairs is what we assume and take for granted. This is not guaranteed in the constitution. Constitution guarantees only equal opportunity and that too gets diluted by the ground reality. Only very lately Muslims have started opening their mouth regarding their interests but that is still very little.
Wassalam

Agree with you bro Maripat. But tawakkal is a vanishing concept in today's generation and making any kind of efforts for dunya or akhira is anathema to our shiftless people.

[AngelBee]

While the idea of Muslims taking over Rome as prophesied by the Prophet Mohammed may seem far-fetched, the historically Christian capital of Italy is now the site of the largest mosque in Europe.

Moschea di Roma, or the Great Mosque of Rome, is able to accommodate 12,000 worshippers and is a powerful symbol for Italy's fast-growing Muslim population.

Large mosques have been built or are on the drawing board in virtually every major city in Europe.

The skyline of Cologne, Germany, has been dominated for centuries by its famous cathedral, the largest Gothic church in northern Europe. But soon the church will share the skyline with the 150-foot tall minarets of the Cologne mosque, now under construction.

The Muslim worship facility, which is being funded by the government of Turkey, is opposed by groups who see it as a piece of Turkish territory in the heart of Germany.

"This mosque is a symbol of political power. It's a symbol of Islamization in the center of Europe, and especially this mosque in Cologne-Ehrenfeld," Pro-Köln organizer Manfred Rouhs told CBN News.

In fact, many of the large mosque projects in Europe are funded by the Turkish government. Some are being financed by the Saudis, and some, like the one planned for Copenhagen, are being built with money from Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

"It's not really a mosque," Danish Muslim expert Lars Hedegaard said of the Copenhagen mosque."It's more like a barracks. It's going to be an institution that will terrorize not only Danes but also non obedient Iranians."

In London, a plan to build the largest mosque in Europe ran into strong public opposition and has been downsized.

But in Cologne and other cities, the left-wing has shown itself to be very pro-Mosque and sometimes demonstrates violently against mosque opponents.

The Great Mosque of Rome and the growing number of giant mosques across Europe are changing not only the physical landscape, but some say they are likely to change the political landscape, as well.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...loping-Europe/

[AngelBee]

Can't afford to miss this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

[AngelBee]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...ommunity-faith

[cokLoolioli]

That is why I believe(personal opinion) that Muslims should not emigrate to the West.

aoa

i agree with you 100%. i cant understand how can muslims live in kafir countries:s. i think my knowledge is limited but still...

[AngelBee]

aoa

i agree with you 100%. i cant understand how can muslims live in kafir countries:s. i think my knowledge is limited but still...

And now the Western countries are tightening their grip on the lives of the Muslims who have already emigrated there.

[cokLoolioli]

hmmm...to me its like making your life too hard. and then there is the big issue of halal and haram...even in muslim countries you dont know 100% what ur eating is halal food because of foreign imports of ingredients etc (take cheese available in pakistan for example. ive heard its not halal). but in the west what choice do you have?
u pay taxes to kafirs to strengthen their economy which may or may not be used against muslims. you work for companies yet how many of us do research before employment to see whether your income is halal?in pakistan even for example there are riba-based banks. if you work in lets say a telecom company that lays down a communication network to that bank then you are 'part of it'. but then there are plethora of other jobs that do not fall under this suspicion. that choice is limited in west.

i suppose the situation is different in countries with large muslim population

[cokLoolioli]

We are poor people hadrat. Hamare zyaada nakhre nahin hain.
Wudu facilities for us mean water and a place to wash ourselves.
Prayer rooms for us mean anyplace where we can spread a musalla and pray.
By the way, I was referring to the freedom that we have to pray anywhere, not the availability of "facilities" which seems to weigh so heavily on the cultured, Western, Muslim mind.
Remember in dua's.

you mean its not frowned upon in india that in a park/garden a group of muslim men do wuzu from say a fountain and then pray on the grass?you may have that situation in a university where theres no separate facility. or ur working in a company with similar lack of such facilities. but a good fountain and lawn

if its not frowned upon then thats good news. ive only heard good about indian muslims from my own family members who have interacted with them. i am always quite interested to know how they manage to overcome these little issues about islam that you see being bloated and exploded in the west.

[AngelBee]

you mean its not frowned upon in india that in a park/garden a group of muslim men do wuzu from say a fountain and then pray on the grass?you may have that situation in a university where theres no separate facility. or ur working in a company with similar lack of such facilities. but a good fountain and lawn

if its not frowned upon then thats good news. ive only heard good about indian muslims from my own family members who have interacted with them. i am always quite interested to know how they manage to overcome these little issues about islam that you see being bloated and exploded in the west.

No, it is not frowned upon in most places.