[Eagevawax]

What is the general opinion on Ouija boards?

Its wrong , becuase through the use of these boards you have contact with the jinn which is highly not recommended!

[tpdirorg]

How is reading Quran backwards, reading it in the toilet, writing it in menses blood... Shirk?

What if it doesn't contain any shirk, then?

Salaam's.

Why dont you tell us the answer Maulana? why do you equate the above mentioned acts with someone taking medicine?

[Blelidupgerie]

Its very hard to accuse this person of doing black magic even though some of the things he said and the comments on here suggests other wise. Back to one of my questions where I asked do maulvis who find out about whos done black magic on somebody get the asisstance of the Jinn?

I think this may be the case why he was doing this vird, he has helped a lot of people in a good way. However this thing about talking to a dead soul I'm not convinced.

[pimbertiemoft]

Its wrong , becuase through the use of these boards you have contact with the jinn which is highly not recommended!

Fair enough but what is the general opinion with regards to having contact with the Djinn of course i don't mean contacting them for sorcery but let's say mere interest or dialogue? if i am correct there are cases of Djinn/Human marital relations tho it happens rarely

[harriettvanders]

Its very hard to accuse this person of doing black magic even though some of the things he said and the comments on here suggests other wise. Back to one of my questions where I asked do maulvis who find out about whos done black magic on somebody get the asisstance of the Jinn?

I think this may be the case why he was doing this vird, he has helped a lot of people in a good way. However this thing about talking to a dead soul I'm not convinced.

I think we are confusing three different things here!
One is black magic,which springs from kufr,dirty satanic words,eating ghalazat,granting your spirit to shaytan etc,that is obviously all kufr.The second is jinn,there are ways to control jins,some are by using quranic verses,which is allowed but is not considered good by scholars.A man is created for "abadiyyat",not to try and play 'god'.The third is using
,these are different creatures,nether jin nor shayateen,usually associated with some Quranic verses or asmae husna.
Except the first one,all these are permissable,wether these acts are good or bad depends
on how you use them.

[Searmoreibe]

@ResearcherX:

Asking jinn to do what only Allah SWT can do is- definitely-Shirk as you said. However, asking them to help humans through a permissible way of communication, for instance, if a righteous person is enabled by Allah SWT to communicate with them is permissible, according to Ibn Taymeyah in his Fatawa.

So, it depends on the permissibility of the method of the communication and the request itself. Interacting with the Jinn is a different issue; its status depends on how permissible the means of contact with the Jinn was, but, generally speaking, the vast majority of those who deal with the Jinn are not on the right path; they are fortunetellers, or, worse, magicians. These quotes were found in fatwas given by scholar Dr. Main Khalid Al-Qudah here:

http://www.amjaonline.com/en_f_details.php?fid=21813

http://www.amjaonline.com/en_f_details.php?fid=21496

[Blelidupgerie]

I think we are confusing three different things here!
One is black magic,which springs from kufr,dirty satanic words,eating ghalazat,granting your spirit to shaytan etc,that is obviously all kufr.The second is jinn,there are ways to control jins,some are by using quranic verses,which is allowed but is not considered good by scholars.A man is created for "abadiyyat",not to try and play 'god'.The third is using muakkilat,these are different creatures,nether jin nor shayateen,usually associated with some Quranic verses or asmae husna.
Except the first one,all these are permissable,weather these acts are good or bad depends on how you use them.

Are you saying they can use either jinn or muakkilat to enquire about whos done the magic and where the taweez is hidden or just the muakkilat provides this information?

[harriettvanders]

Are you saying they can use either jinn or muakkilat to enquire about whos done the magic and where the taweez is hidden or just the muakkilat provides this information?

Both have the abilities to provide such information,it depends on which ones they are capable of using !

[Cersdog]

muakkilat ?

[Falik]

[quote]muakkilat ?

[Cersdog]

Yes: animals, fish, insects, trees, and many others...

Jazakallah brother umar_italy,

Now i understand.

[wJswn5l3]

brother if the person can see miracles then he must be of high taqwa.

If he can pray tahajjud salh for five hours every night for a month will show whether he has taqwa.

Also if the person does pray five hours of tahajjud salah then this will also be very beneficial for him.

It's not the amount of hours one prays. I could pray for 7 hours straight and lack khushu in my salah, get very low or no reward for it, while someone else takes 5 minutes to pray 2 rakats but their level of khushu and the 'quality' of their salah is so much better than mine that Allah gives him/her reward as if he prayed all night.

We just don't know and we should not be ones to try to judge others based on how long they make tahajjud for every night, or based on anything else for that matter.

Just my 2 cents.

[Searmoreibe]

@Mopat:

Taliban explained it to me like this:

Muakkils are jinns... Just like we call Humans who live in Pakistan as pakistanis, Saudi guys are called Saudis, those living in US are called Americans. Similarly this specific type of jinns who come to help you do amaliyaat are called Muakkilaat. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...246&viewfull=1

[harriettvanders]

Muakillat are not jins,,they are created from the alphabets of the wird one is reciting, ie these alphabets create their genetic code,that is why every muakkil is specific to that particular wird one is making ,and that is why they have such a great affinity to that particular wird.They are different from jins and malaik.Difficult concept,but that is what it is,believe it or not !

[ZZtop]

Muakillat are not jins,,they are created from the alphabets of the wird one is reciting, ie these alphabets create their genetic code,that is why every muakkil is specific to that particular wird one is making ,and that is why they have such a great affinity to that particular wird.They are different from jins and malaik.Difficult concept,but that is what it is,believe it or not !

bro.

Is it mentioned in the Quran or Hadith?

Have any of the classic Scholars commented on its existence?

Note: My questioning is only because its a matter of a New species. Allah has been specific about this matter in the case of Humans, Angels, Jinns and Animals. So without evident proof I think its dangerous to believe in such things. One cannot use analogy for such beliefs.

[Eagevawax]

But how do you know about this? if it is true then let us know what makes you believe it is true....

[Eagevawax]

Fair enough but what is the general opinion with regards to having contact with the Djinn of course i don't mean contacting them for sorcery but let's say mere interest or dialogue? if i am correct there are cases of Djinn/Human marital relations tho it happens rarely

Pople generally feel that t is bad idea to contact the jinn via these boards or any other means of communication...

Here is a story i would like to share:

http://www.khalidzaheer.com/essays/k...ng_a_jinn.html

Question: It seems Usman Sahib was a deceiver. Have you entertained any pious Jinns?

Answer: As I have mentioned in my article, I approached Usman Sahib with a hope that he would turn out to be a pious jinn; however, I found him to be otherwise. There is not doubt that there are pious jinns as well, but I have a very strong feeling that they don't establish communication with men in the manner I tried. If the Almighty arranges for them to serve some pious men in some special way, as was done in the case of Sulaiman, alaihissalaam, then it is a different case. My experience has taught me that because they are invisible and because we know very little about them, there is a great danger that whenever we will attempt to get in touch with their unseen world, we will be deceived. Our test of this life is that we should believe in the unseen realities of God, divine revelation (wahi) sent to the prophets, life hereafter, angels etc. The very idea of making an effort to peep into the unseen world, although perhaps an outcome of human curiosity, is extremely dangerous. We should remain within our human limits of this seen world and learn about the unseen one only through the Qur'an and sunnah. The unseen realities discovered by science like x-rays etc. are different in that they can be fully explained. What cannot be scientifically explained through a clear cause and effect relationship should be considered a no go area, or else Satan will get an opportunity to lead you astray.

[harriettvanders]

Sorry,i can,t prove it with evidence.Not that i don,t want to,but it is all about experience,not something academic.You have every right not to believe it.If i were in your place i would have done the same.

[Eagevawax]

JazakAllah

[Blelidupgerie]

Sorry,i can,t prove it with evidence.Not that i don,t want to,but it is all about experience,not something academic.You have every right not to believe it.If i were in your place i would have done the same.

I have heard about them from a few maulvis including the person I based this thread on therefore I believe it to be true.