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People are focusing on whether vigilante justice is allowed or not but missing the main issue:

Did Salman Taseer insult our Prophet saws ?
if he called for a law in State of Pakistan to be amended, thats different than insulting the Prophet saws.

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It does not matter whether or not you are an Aalim. I thoroughly respect Moulana Taliban but it does not matter whether he is an Aalim. Verily in Allahs sight we are all equal,the only thing to seperate us is our taqwa.

Oh the irony! One minute Pakistan is the fourth Haram and the mawlana is jealous of this, and the next minute 'we are all equal'! Seriously, if you're going to be so hypocritical, don't bother posting.

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if he called for a law in State of Pakistan to be amended, thats different than insulting the Prophet saws. It could be said to be an indirect insult, though this also needs more elucidation, as to what constitutes an 'insult'. The second issue is that in the State of Pakistan (and other Muslim-majority countries) there are so many things that are going on which are in reality, also blasphemous and deserve the death penalty if an Islamic system were truly in place, but it seems that the issue of the Prophet (SAW) is very emotional.

This is good in a way, but such hatred for blasphemy should be applied for all acts of blasphemy, not only for insulting (whether real or not) the Prophet (SAW).

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Salaam

Insulting the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam carries extra weight in the Shari'ah otherwise the Ulama of the past wouldn't have made it such an issue. Allahu A'lam but it has a greater implication than e.g. insulting the companions and insulting other Prophets.

Even saying something insignificant such as "The Prophet's sandals were dirty" could bring down the justice upon the sayer.

I would also recommend listening to "The Dust will never settle down" by Shaykh AAA (r)

In terms of vigilante justice in a situation where the Islamic state does not exist - I do not have enough knowledge to talk about such issues. Allah knows best.

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This punishment is welcome. He had no right to kill Salman Taseer like that. Such anarchy is wrong. Where did Salman Taseer commit blasphemy ? He only supported the review of the badly formulated law which has become easy to settle scores.

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This punishment is welcome. He had no right to kill Salman Taseer like that. Such anarchy is wrong. Where did Salman Taseer commit blasphemy ? He only supported the review of the badly formulated law which has become easy to settle scores.

He referred to the blasphemy law as a black law instead of saying that the law is good but its execution is faulty and contrary to Islam.

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He referred to the blasphemy law as a black law instead of saying that the law is good but its execution is faulty and contrary to Islam. If he had been produced in front of a Qadhi, would this interpretation (it is a black law with the meaning that the law is good but its execution is faulty and contrary to Islam) been something that could have been presented as a defense against the death penalty being handed down on him?

This is one issue that has to be considered. Another one is that we have people in the Muslim-majority countries (including Pakistan) who rally in the streets saying that this or that aspect of Shariah is wrong and they want no part of it in the land they are living in. From what I understand, this is open apostasy, and if it is correct that Taseer was to be killed, so is killing such types of people also allowed (that is, if the country is actually Islamic, as killing the murtad can be done by anyone, even though it is wrong from the point of view of overstepping the rights of the Islamic ruler. The fact that such people can rally and gather millions of protesters and votes against Shariah means that something more fundamental is wrong in the fabric of the society, but that is another matter).

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If he had been produced in front of a Qadhi, would this interpretation (it is a black law with the meaning that the law is good but its execution is faulty and contrary to Islam) been something that could have been presented as a defense against the death penalty being handed down on him?

This is one issue that has to be considered. Another one is that we have people in the Muslim-majority countries (including Pakistan) who rally in the streets saying that this or that aspect of Shariah is wrong and they want no part of it in the land they are living in. From what I understand, this is open apostasy, and if it is correct that Taseer was to be killed, so is killing such types of people also allowed (that is, if the country is actually Islamic, as killing the murtad can be done by anyone, even though it is wrong from the point of view of overstepping the rights of the Islamic ruler. The fact that such people can rally and gather millions of protesters and votes against Shariah means that something more fundamental is wrong in the fabric of the society, but that is another matter).

The problem was that he did not say anything about the execution of the law. He criticized the law itself. He called it a "kaala qanoon" - a black law.

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If he had been produced in front of a Qadhi, would this interpretation (it is a black law with the meaning that the law is good but its execution is faulty and contrary to Islam) been something that could have been presented as a defense against the death penalty being handed down on him?

This is one issue that has to be considered. Another one is that we have people in the Muslim-majority countries (including Pakistan) who rally in the streets saying that this or that aspect of Shariah is wrong and they want no part of it in the land they are living in. From what I understand, this is open apostasy, and if it is correct that Taseer was to be killed, so is killing such types of people also allowed (that is, if the country is actually Islamic, as killing the murtad can be done by anyone, even though it is wrong from the point of view of overstepping the rights of the Islamic ruler. The fact that such people can rally and gather millions of protesters and votes against Shariah means that something more fundamental is wrong in the fabric of the society, but that is another matter).

There is a difference between a "normal" murtadd and the shatim of RasuluLlah :saws:: for killing the first, an Islamic State and Qadi is needed; for the second one, none of this is needed, and its crime is considered as even worse and more severe.

There was a wonderful fatwa by Hadrat Mufti Taqi Usmani (db) regarding this issue, and other references has been mentioned by brother Abu_Dahdah.

Let's stop calling it "vigilante justice" as if Mumtaz Qadri Sahab did something "shameful".

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There is a difference between a "normal" murtadd and the shatim of RasuluLlah :saws:: for killing the first, an Islamic State and Qadi is needed; for the second one, none of this is needed, and its crime is considered as even worse and more severe.

There was a wonderful fatwa by Hadrat Mufti Taqi Usmani (db) regarding this issue, and other references has been mentioned by brother Abu_Dahdah. If you could give me a reference to this Fatwa in English that would be appreciated. Also, I wanted to know about the case of those who purposefully insult the Prophet (SAW) in the totally non-Muslim lands. As you know, there are thousands or even millions of people who do this (the facebook controversy was about this only, hundreds of thousands of Islam haters getting together to do something that would inflame the Muslims and 'uphold freedom of speech' according to them).

So what would be the situation for this case today, when there are millions of non-Muslims living in non-Muslim lands who take pride in insulting the Prophet (SAW)?

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If you could give me a reference to this Fatwa in English that would be appreciated.

If I'll find it I'll send it to your e-mail address, if you want, insha'Allah.

Also, I wanted to know about the case of those who purposefully insult the Prophet (SAW) in the totally non-Muslim lands. As you know, there are thousands or even millions of people who do this (the facebook controversy was about this only, hundreds of thousands of Islam haters getting together to do something that would inflame the Muslims and 'uphold freedom of speech' according to them).

So what would be the situation for this case today, when there are millions of non-Muslims living in non-Muslim lands who take pride in insulting the Prophet (SAW)?

Well, it may be said that it may be "difficult" "impraticable" and ""contrary to hikma"" doing the present conditions, but the ruling remains the same.

Also, regarding the "Dante's argument" ("why a fatwa has not been pronounced against Dantes"), how do we know if notice of his work did even ever reached Muslims in the past? If even so, the fact that some Muslims eventually didn't practice upon a rule doesn't disprove the rule itself, which is present and clear in Fiqh books, etc..

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I was reading the transcript of the speech 'The Dust Will Never Settle' and I wanted to ask about the following point which is mentioned in the transcript itself:

The opinion of Abu Hanifa is that the Muslim speaking against the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) should be executed and if it is a non-Muslim who doesn't have a contract he should also be executed.

Does this include the non-Muslim outside of the land of Islam? We know that, since the early stages of the Islamic religion, there have been many people, both common people and scholars of other religions, who have done their utmost to present the Prophet (SAW) in a bad light, to the point of calling him a Devil, and other such horrible things, while living in Europe, etc. So was this Fatwa and other similar Fatwas targeted at them, or was there some other meaning behind this?

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Yes, you may send it to my email. I just wanted to know about this matter in more depth, Insha Allah.

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If I'll find it I'll send it to your e-mail address, if you want, insha'Allah.

brother umar Italy, Itoo want to see this fatwa please.. can u post it here?

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Me Too !
Post it here huni

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Sorry brothers, I didn't forget, but I couldn't find it on-line...

for your patience; hope someone else may provide it; but if you know urdu you shouldn't have problems finding it insha'Allah..