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**AM1VV9r6** · 10-11-2011, 09:58 PM

that's so silly! so u just follow the leader...but tjs comprises of people ...every tj represents the teaching of tj...

TJ is not like a school of thought like Deoband etc. Basically its many individuals taking up the work of calling people back to Islam. These people comprise of many different backgrounds; some may be hanafi, some may be shafi'i, some may even be salafi; some may be completely against standing on the stage and singing, and some may thinks it's allowed.

Regardless, what Junaid Jamshed did is his own action. It doesn't have anything to do with him being affiliated with TJ or not.

However, I do realize why this may cause people to be confused regarding TJ, since Junaid Jamshed is a rather famous Tableeghi.

**Pcodaygs** · 10-11-2011, 10:02 PM

that's so silly! so u just follow the leader...but tjs comprises of people ...every tj represents the teaching of tj...

i dont agree with this coz i can't. say you have a rehabiltation centre, school or madressah... you do lots of hard work and teach you your pupils everything that is to be taught. and then comes the weekend or holidays and your student goes and takes drugs, dresses unislaamically and shamelessly behaves worse than a hooligan.

will it be right for his/her family, nieghbors and friends to point fingers at you and say you are the leader (teacher) and he/she pepresents your teachings...?

nobody is responsible or accountable and should not be judged by the deeds of another.

**domeffire** · 10-11-2011, 10:05 PM

Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg
I'm very much confused regarding this ....

**AM1VV9r6** · 10-11-2011, 10:14 PM

^ Doesn't sound kosher..

Sounds like there is more than one instrument at play there..

**cmruloah** · 10-11-2011, 10:15 PM

i dont agree with this coz i can't. say you have a rehabiltation centre, school or madressah... you do lots of hard work and teach you your pupils everything that is to be taught. and then comes the weekend or holidays and your student goes and takes drugs, dresses unislaamically and shamelessly behaves worse than a hooligan.

will it be right for his/her family, nieghbors and friends to point fingers at you and say you are the leader (teacher) and he/she pepresents your teachings...?

nobody is responsible or accountable and should not be judged by the deeds of another.

jj is not a kid. he did interested bayans..he made people cry and brought changes in people's life. that surprises people especially baby boomers
..it is a very bad medicine for the baby boomers to see this..if they are serious in learning and want to be a pious muslim.

it is sad ...

**Shark&Nike** · 10-11-2011, 10:17 PM

I think its like patriotic song..

I don't see any big issue there...

Walaikumus salaam,

I think Patriotic songs are allowed.

are there any fatwas or opinions of scholars to back up your claims?

**Shark&Nike** · 10-11-2011, 10:19 PM

[QUOTE=abdulwahhab;677222]

The issue is not with the singing itself, though, because singing songs without musical instrument and when the song is not about something immoral or against Islam, it is fine. But singing this song to such an audience was not a good thing, either.[/QUOTE

so would it be ok to listen to listen to non muslim singers as long as there is no music and the content of the song is not immoral?

**Pcodaygs** · 10-11-2011, 10:21 PM

he did interested bayans..he made people cry and brought changes in people's life. that surprises people especially baby boomers
..it is a very bad medicine for the baby boomers to see this..if they are serious in learning and want to be a pious muslim.

it is sad ...

i agree with you on this. people who are leaders to others must be very careful about their doings... but why did it immediately have to be attributed to the TJ's?
lol! i'm not a TJ so i don't know why i'm going to pains to defend them!

**Shark&Nike** · 10-11-2011, 10:22 PM

Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg
I'm very much confused regarding this ....

definitely music in there. also they have used auto tune to manipulate some of the vocals to make them sound instrumental.........which is just another way to make music in my opinion.

**Shark&Nike** · 10-11-2011, 10:28 PM

when JJ started going in jamaat it was made into a big deal amongst the effort of TJ and he was seen as a celebrity and they would use his fame to attract people to TJ. i am not saying that this is wrong as the Prophet

also used to enlist the influence of tribal leaders to persuade people to islam.

so now that the TJ's have used JJ as a 'poster boy', they should expect people to criticise TJ when JJ does something like this as he is seen as a spokesman for TJ.

**ovH9wfSJ** · 10-11-2011, 10:28 PM

Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg
I'm very much confused regarding this ....

Video looks suspicious to me.. anyone can put up a video by adding music to a nasheed.
we should wait for clarification from a relaible source.
I mean if he wanted to do this then why quit his old job in the first place. (one of my 70 excuses )
i am not defending his toronto video btw.

**cmruloah** · 10-11-2011, 10:33 PM

why did it immediately have to be attributed to the TJ's?

cz. he represents tj not singer ...that is the only reason all this issue started....if he was a singer did i ever care about this jj.

**soajerwaradaY** · 10-11-2011, 10:35 PM

Google "Alif Laam Meem" and you will get another set of questions for JJ.

Maybe in toronto event he took more time than scheduled ,which disturbs a normal person, and then to compensate the over-doze he sang to remove the side-effects of the over-doze.

**Shark&Nike** · 10-11-2011, 10:36 PM

i cant believe people are trying to defend JJ by saying there is no music and the song is patriotic lol. the guy is on a stage with men and women freely mixing and dressed immorally. he is singing a song that he used to sing in jahilliya. the whole venue itself is haram. there are men and women in the crowd screaming at him like he is some rockstar in a rock concert. im surprised he isnt stage diving lol.

and whats this talk about patriotic songs being allowed? if i remove the music from the song 'land down under' (a patriotic australian song. google it.) would that also be halal to listen to?

and if this was about a barelwi then almost the whole of sunniforum would be falling over themselves to criticise him. so many people would be trying to get in their criticism that the sunniforum servers would be going down lol. the whole internet would be going down! so many hypocrites. (no i dont mean munafiqs. just hypocrites in the english sense of the word.)

**fissasste** · 10-11-2011, 10:37 PM

Shame on us.

We let a fault finding thread on a person go for 4 pages. (if he uses haram music then he is doing a mistake no doubt)

BUT

not even 4 replies for praising the bravery of a Sahabah....! : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dhiallahu-Anhu

We need to get our priorities right.

**Pcodaygs** · 10-11-2011, 10:39 PM

cz. he represents tj not singer ...that is the only reason all this issue started....if he was a singer did i ever care about this jj.

someone shud go up2 him and ask: did u learn 2 play with musical instuments, jive, and perform 4 female audiances and do all these wrongful deeds from the TJ's? and if he replies in the affirmative, then you and i will go around bashing TJ'S 2gather!

**fissasste** · 10-11-2011, 10:41 PM

Our blood boils when there is a discussion of an obscure person(no offense to the person in discussion) singing with music or not, if he attended Tj or not.

But why doesn't it BOIL while hearing about a Sahabi.

**cmruloah** · 10-11-2011, 10:44 PM

Shame on us.

We let a fault finding thread on a person go for 4 pages. (if he uses haram music then he is doing a mistake no doubt)

BUT

not even 4 replies for praising the bravery of a Sahabah....! : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dhiallahu-Anhu

We need to get our priorities right.

yes..u are right...

why it made 4 pages cz. people are scared to say the truth. if they see something wrong they should open the mouth without fear and say the truth...instead of defending the fault.

**fissasste** · 10-11-2011, 10:44 PM

If a person sings in public with haram instruments there is NO doubt about the nature of the deed. And no one can say he is doing right.

But

WHY uncover his fault in public? WHY slander against a person?

Think about the mistakes we did in our lifetime. Will you like it if its discussed by strangers on a public forum...???

**AM1VV9r6** · 10-11-2011, 10:45 PM

Our blood boils when there is a discussion of an obscure person(no offense to the person in discussion) singing with music or not, if he attended Tj or not.

But why doesn't it BOIL while hearing about a Sahabi.

People's blood are boiling here because this may and has been taken as a hujjat by naive people that is it permissible in Deen to have such concerts and have music in nasheeds. He's not exactly an 'obscure' person, rather world famous, just like Cat Stevens aka Yusuf Islam.

Also because this makes it seem as if TJ condones such actions. It should be known to the naive people that what an individual does is his own action, and not the action of a group.

10-11-2011, 09:58 PM	#21
AM1VV9r6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	that's so silly! so u just follow the leader...but tjs comprises of people ...every tj represents the teaching of tj... TJ is not like a school of thought like Deoband etc. Basically its many individuals taking up the work of calling people back to Islam. These people comprise of many different backgrounds; some may be hanafi, some may be shafi'i, some may even be salafi; some may be completely against standing on the stage and singing, and some may thinks it's allowed. Regardless, what Junaid Jamshed did is his own action. It doesn't have anything to do with him being affiliated with TJ or not. However, I do realize why this may cause people to be confused regarding TJ, since Junaid Jamshed is a rather famous Tableeghi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:02 PM	#22
Pcodaygs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	that's so silly! so u just follow the leader...but tjs comprises of people ...every tj represents the teaching of tj... i dont agree with this coz i can't. say you have a rehabiltation centre, school or madressah... you do lots of hard work and teach you your pupils everything that is to be taught. and then comes the weekend or holidays and your student goes and takes drugs, dresses unislaamically and shamelessly behaves worse than a hooligan. will it be right for his/her family, nieghbors and friends to point fingers at you and say you are the leader (teacher) and he/she pepresents your teachings...? nobody is responsible or accountable and should not be judged by the deeds of another. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:05 PM	#23
domeffire Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg I'm very much confused regarding this .... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:14 PM	#24
AM1VV9r6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	^ Doesn't sound kosher.. Sounds like there is more than one instrument at play there.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:15 PM	#25
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	i dont agree with this coz i can't. say you have a rehabiltation centre, school or madressah... you do lots of hard work and teach you your pupils everything that is to be taught. and then comes the weekend or holidays and your student goes and takes drugs, dresses unislaamically and shamelessly behaves worse than a hooligan. will it be right for his/her family, nieghbors and friends to point fingers at you and say you are the leader (teacher) and he/she pepresents your teachings...? nobody is responsible or accountable and should not be judged by the deeds of another. jj is not a kid. he did interested bayans..he made people cry and brought changes in people's life. that surprises people especially baby boomers ..it is a very bad medicine for the baby boomers to see this..if they are serious in learning and want to be a pious muslim. it is sad ... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:17 PM	#26
Shark&Nike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	I think its like patriotic song.. I don't see any big issue there... Walaikumus salaam, I think Patriotic songs are allowed. are there any fatwas or opinions of scholars to back up your claims? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:19 PM	#27
Shark&Nike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	[QUOTE=abdulwahhab;677222] The issue is not with the singing itself, though, because singing songs without musical instrument and when the song is not about something immoral or against Islam, it is fine. But singing this song to such an audience was not a good thing, either.[/QUOTE so would it be ok to listen to listen to non muslim singers as long as there is no music and the content of the song is not immoral? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:21 PM	#28
Pcodaygs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	he did interested bayans..he made people cry and brought changes in people's life. that surprises people especially baby boomers ..it is a very bad medicine for the baby boomers to see this..if they are serious in learning and want to be a pious muslim. it is sad ... i agree with you on this. people who are leaders to others must be very careful about their doings... but why did it immediately have to be attributed to the TJ's? lol! i'm not a TJ so i don't know why i'm going to pains to defend them! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:22 PM	#29
Shark&Nike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg I'm very much confused regarding this .... definitely music in there. also they have used auto tune to manipulate some of the vocals to make them sound instrumental.........which is just another way to make music in my opinion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:28 PM	#30
Shark&Nike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	when JJ started going in jamaat it was made into a big deal amongst the effort of TJ and he was seen as a celebrity and they would use his fame to attract people to TJ. i am not saying that this is wrong as the Prophet also used to enlist the influence of tribal leaders to persuade people to islam. so now that the TJ's have used JJ as a 'poster boy', they should expect people to criticise TJ when JJ does something like this as he is seen as a spokesman for TJ. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:28 PM	#31
ovH9wfSJ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Can anybody please confirm whether any music is there in this naat or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Pg39V1lkg I'm very much confused regarding this .... Video looks suspicious to me.. anyone can put up a video by adding music to a nasheed. we should wait for clarification from a relaible source. I mean if he wanted to do this then why quit his old job in the first place. (one of my 70 excuses ) i am not defending his toronto video btw. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:33 PM	#32
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	why did it immediately have to be attributed to the TJ's? cz. he represents tj not singer ...that is the only reason all this issue started....if he was a singer did i ever care about this jj. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:35 PM	#33
soajerwaradaY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	Google "Alif Laam Meem" and you will get another set of questions for JJ. Maybe in toronto event he took more time than scheduled ,which disturbs a normal person, and then to compensate the over-doze he sang to remove the side-effects of the over-doze. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:36 PM	#34
Shark&Nike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	i cant believe people are trying to defend JJ by saying there is no music and the song is patriotic lol. the guy is on a stage with men and women freely mixing and dressed immorally. he is singing a song that he used to sing in jahilliya. the whole venue itself is haram. there are men and women in the crowd screaming at him like he is some rockstar in a rock concert. im surprised he isnt stage diving lol. and whats this talk about patriotic songs being allowed? if i remove the music from the song 'land down under' (a patriotic australian song. google it.) would that also be halal to listen to? and if this was about a barelwi then almost the whole of sunniforum would be falling over themselves to criticise him. so many people would be trying to get in their criticism that the sunniforum servers would be going down lol. the whole internet would be going down! so many hypocrites. (no i dont mean munafiqs. just hypocrites in the english sense of the word.) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:37 PM	#35
fissasste Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	Shame on us. We let a fault finding thread on a person go for 4 pages. (if he uses haram music then he is doing a mistake no doubt) BUT not even 4 replies for praising the bravery of a Sahabah....! : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dhiallahu-Anhu We need to get our priorities right. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:39 PM	#36
Pcodaygs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	cz. he represents tj not singer ...that is the only reason all this issue started....if he was a singer did i ever care about this jj. someone shud go up2 him and ask: did u learn 2 play with musical instuments, jive, and perform 4 female audiances and do all these wrongful deeds from the TJ's? and if he replies in the affirmative, then you and i will go around bashing TJ'S 2gather! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:41 PM	#37
fissasste Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	Our blood boils when there is a discussion of an obscure person(no offense to the person in discussion) singing with music or not, if he attended Tj or not. But why doesn't it BOIL while hearing about a Sahabi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:44 PM	#38
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Shame on us. We let a fault finding thread on a person go for 4 pages. (if he uses haram music then he is doing a mistake no doubt) BUT not even 4 replies for praising the bravery of a Sahabah....! : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dhiallahu-Anhu We need to get our priorities right. yes..u are right... why it made 4 pages cz. people are scared to say the truth. if they see something wrong they should open the mouth without fear and say the truth...instead of defending the fault. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2011, 10:45 PM	#40
AM1VV9r6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	Our blood boils when there is a discussion of an obscure person(no offense to the person in discussion) singing with music or not, if he attended Tj or not. But why doesn't it BOIL while hearing about a Sahabi. People's blood are boiling here because this may and has been taken as a hujjat by naive people that is it permissible in Deen to have such concerts and have music in nasheeds. He's not exactly an 'obscure' person, rather world famous, just like Cat Stevens aka Yusuf Islam. Also because this makes it seem as if TJ condones such actions. It should be known to the naive people that what an individual does is his own action, and not the action of a group. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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