[TornadoPD]

ASAK,

Whats wrong in going if one can controll their nafs and gaze?

then the question arises whether the other person can control their gaze. Zina of the eyes works both ways.

[soajerwaradaY]

For the wedding, if you are single and looking , please dont go to the mixed weddings.
For the restaurant , why not gift your wife Zubeida aapa's cooking book and then ORDER her to cook all the dishes one by one.

[sisuarmalmicy]

Around 6 years ago I asked this question to a Faadil from Deoband, Mawlana Feroz Khan from Daska (died last year at the age of 85, may Allah have mercy on him) a close associate of Ml. Sami al-Haq and provincial Ameer of JUI. He said you can go, but don't mix around and sit with your own sex.

[Pcodaygs]

For the wedding, if you are single and looking , please dont go to the mixed weddings.
For the restaurant , why not gift your wife Zubeida aapa's cooking book and then ORDER her to cook all the dishes one by one.

BOYY, YooohHHHHH!

Sad indeed :P

[AngegepeM]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Would the impermissibility of mixed weddings be extended to most western countries too, where there is chance of seeing males/females everywhere you go - the shops, the bus station, the libraries, the post office etc?

I mean, is it consistent to single out mixed weddings?

I don't see the logic behind it being forbidden to attend mixed weddings, hopefully someone can clarify - what I mean is, if others are intermingling that's their problem, we can choose to stick to our own crowd/family, just like we'd do in other mentioned settings where everyone is interminling, right?

[uaodnabnjz]

ASAK,

JazakAllah kair, so if we extrapolate your logic then the question arises whether its even halal to step out of ones house? Leave talking about taking a flight or train to go from one place to another. Or everyone needs to wear burka, irrespective of being men or women.

This type of logic is inherently faulty. Imam Sufyaan ibn Uyaynah / Imam Sufyaan Thawri rahmatullah alayhumaa either one of them (I can't exactly remember) warned against the trap of falling into sin as you are already doing a sin. Just because you take the train to earn your halal rizq and you are unable to control your gaze does not mean then you should attend an absolutely voluntary haraam wedding function. One sin does not make another sin correct. It also does not detract from the fact that going to mixed weddings is haraam.

[Rurcextedutty]

People should know priorities.
Probably half of the Ummah does not pray five times a day....

[CKDIWEQ]

I would really like thorough clarification on the answers to this and related questions.

What is the ruling with regards to walking in the market place, shops, streets, where free mixing is unavoidable? I get the impression from the actions of ulama and knowledgeable people that the permission to walk outside in such an environment is not restricted solely to dire necessity.

Similarly, the level of free mixing that occurs in the Kaaba is unmatched anywhere else. What is the ruling on women performing optional Umrah/Hajj in such an environment?

I’ve asked this question previously without any conclusive answer:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post292876

[jamemeveRhype]

WAS,

JazakAllah Khair for the clarification. I was indeed incorrect there, thanks again for setting me straight.

ASAK

[CKDIWEQ]

People should know priorities.
Probably half of the Ummah does not pray five times a day....

True. However, ‘priority’ is an often misused word to avoid practising on the rulings that one does not incline towards.

I’m sure the Sahabah (radhiallahu anhum) who were almost fanatically meticulous and fussy over every particular Nawafil and Sunnah also had much bigger priorities - such as conquering half the world in less than 30 years. Or do you think perhaps the two were related i.e. Their meticulousness over the minute particulars drew the barakah from Allah that opened the world up for them in a manner that bears no materialistic explanations, and that is unprecedented in the recorded history of mankind?

[Falik]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Would the impermissibility of mixed weddings be extended to most western countries too, where there is chance of seeing males/females everywhere you go - the shops, the bus station, the libraries, the post office etc?

I mean, is it consistent to single out mixed weddings?

Yes, because you can choose how to organize your own wedding party (i.e. if doing it according to Shari'ah or not), while you can't choose (unless you're the Amir or in position of power) how people behave in the street when you're going to mosque/study/visit a friend, etc.

So, it's not about singling out only mixed weddings, but each and every occasion organized by Muslims, or regarding which you have a choice whether attending or not..

If an "Islamic association" organize a "lecture" or a "meeting" with free-mixing, we'll boycott that also.

I don't see the logic behind it being forbidden to attend mixed weddings, hopefully someone can clarify - what I mean is, if others are intermingling that's their problem, we can choose to stick to our own crowd/family, just like we'd do in other mentioned settings where everyone is interminling, right?

No, you'll rather boycott them for having chosen to organize their marriage party (i.e. a very important occasion which theorically one would be organising in order to save oneself from haram) in a haram way and against the Shari'ah.

People should know priorities.
Probably half of the Ummah does not pray five times a day....

I'm sure most of the brothers writing here will spend more of their time inviting people to Salah rather than other "secondary things", but still, having priorities doesn't absolve us from discussing any other issue which may pop up.

Otherwise, if even we manage to have every single Muslim praying at some time in the future, we'll have forgot every remaining part of the Shari'ah (as it wouldn't have been taught/discussed anymore, all efforts having been placed in the "priorities")..

True. However, ‘priority’ is an often misused word to avoid practising on the rulings that one does not incline towards.

I’m sure the Sahabah (radhiallahu anhum) who were almost fanatically meticulous and fussy over every particular Nawafil and Sunnah also had much bigger priorities - such as conquering half the world in less than 30 years. Or do you think perhaps the two were related i.e. Their meticulousness over the minute particulars drew the barakah from Allah that opened the world up for them in a manner that bears no materialistic explanations, and that is unprecedented in the recorded history of mankind?

Beautifully put, !

[avaincmolla]

Moulana Taliban the Ulama who fall under this category are the Ulama-e-Soo. They are put in position by the west. They have no taqwa and their hearts are filled to the brim with the desire for this world.

Bismihee Ta'aala

Asalamualaikum.

We should be very careful what we say. How do we know just because these ulema go to restaurants that they have no taqwa? We don't know what is in the hearts of others.

I have heard of mashaik going out and eating with their families. I mean yes, not all the time, but every once in a while. I don't see what's wrong. What are we supposed to do, lock up our women and say you can't see day-light. If they can't go and eat at a restaurant, then they shouldn't be able to go to the store or the grocery market or anywhere else.

Why? Because the opposite gender is everywhere. As long as there is no interaction I don't see a problem every once in a while. If you going out all the time, then there might be a problem.

This is rule that I heard from many Khulafa of Maulana Shah Hakeem Akhter Saheb (DB): "Do whatever halal you want and as much as you want, just don't sin."

Let's not make life too difficult

Allahu A'lim

[HaroTaure]

Why is it Haram?

Respected Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

It is certainly not haram.

Brotherly yours
farook

[Dweplyododo]

Moulana Taliban the Ulama who fall under this category are the Ulama-e-Soo. They are put in position by the west. They have no taqwa and their hearts are filled to the brim with the desire for this world.

Actually i'm talking about the Ulama e Haq, not Ulama e Soo.

[Dweplyododo]

Bismihee Ta'aala

Asalamualaikum.

We should be very careful what we say. How do we know just because these ulema go to restaurants that they have no taqwa? We don't know what is in the hearts of others.

I have heard of mashaik going out and eating with their families. I mean yes, not all the time, but every once in a while. I don't see what's wrong. What are we supposed to do, lock up our women and say you can't see day-light. If they can't go and eat at a restaurant, then they shouldn't be able to go to the store or the grocery market or anywhere else.

Why? Because the opposite gender is everywhere. As long as there is no interaction I don't see a problem every once in a while. If you going out all the time, then there might be a problem.

This is rule that I heard from many Khulafa of Maulana Shah Hakeem Akhter Saheb (DB): "Do whatever halal you want and as much as you want, just don't sin."

Let's not make life too difficult

Allahu A'lim

This is what i'm asking. Why is it haram to go to mixed weddings and not haram to go to a mixed restaurant. Maybe because the food is better there?

[soajerwaradaY]

ml taliban whats the point? if one knows something is haraam he/she must not do it even if the whole worlds ulama (including ml taliban) is doing it. its very simple.

Ofcourse, i wasnt serious that much. But why dont you see this : The Wife is also going to eat that and get free professional comments on the food !

[soajerwaradaY]

LoL. Might be.

Molana are you encouraging E-Shopping ? Or Is the alternative people should look for

[avaincmolla]

This is what i'm asking. Why is it haram to go to mixed weddings and not haram to go to a mixed restaurant. Maybe because the food is better there?

Alhumdulillah I don't go to any mix weddings, but I think the main problem is that unlike restaurants, the people having the weddings have the choice to keep them separate. I haven't found any restaurants that are completely segregated. Yes in Saudi they have family areas, but still you got men serving you and sometimes they will come to your table where your family is unless if you go and get the food from them. Basically there is no such thing as segregated restaurants.

So what is the solution? Every-one should boycott? I don't know.

I can see where Mualana Saheb is going with this, but I just think differently.

May Allah (SWT) guide us to what is right.


By the way restaurant food isn't always better then wedding food, especially since its free .

[Dweplyododo]

Alhumdulillah I don't go to any mix weddings, but I think the main problem is that unlike restaurants, the people having the weddings have the choice to keep them separate.

Why don't the restaurant owners have a choice to make it separate?

Here in saudi, you have separate enclosures for family. The waiters NEVER ENTER THEM.

[rbVmVlQ2]

When I Was In Madinah Last Year During Ramadhan, There Was A Wedding On One Of The Floors In The Hotel On One Of The Nights. One Room Full Of Men And Women, But I Think They Made Men And Women Sit On Different Sides Of The Room But Theres Chances Of Mixing Taking Place.

Link For Article: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Mendhi-AskImam