[KeettyGlots]

http://muhassankhan.blogspot.com/

[Dkavtbek]

Is that your blog, its a bit empty

[hauptdaunnila]

I dont know why Israel is singled out every time. I mean we have worse governments then Israel in the Islamic world. Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Sudan, Morocco, Egypt, Indonesia etc. I am not denying Israel is a criminal state, but why arent our criminals singled out. I think its a typical example of Wag the Dog technique, when something is going on you put the attention of people on something else, typical example would be clinton in his days of Monica lewinsky targeted camps in Afghanistan to get the attention off his scandal. I mean Turks have been bombing and obliterating Kurdish villages. Infact they were the biggest recipients of arms in the clinton Era. Infact chomsky mentions in his book called 911 about the draconian laws of that state where a journalist was put in jail for the sole reason that he used the Kurdish spelling of Nuwruz instead of the Turkish one Nevruz. Pakistani Army raped and killed bangalis, Syria and Egypt are open cases, indonesians killed countless peasants in east timor....we need to condemn crimes of states proportionate to the crimes they commit. Israel is a lesser enemy to us then these Pawns of the American imperial power. I would rather takeout these governments then take out Israel.

[KeettyGlots]

I dont know why Israel is singled out every time. I mean we have worse governments then Israel in the Islamic world. Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Sudan, Morocco, Egypt, Indonesia etc. I am not denying Israel is a criminal state, but why arent our criminals singled out. I think its a typical example of Wag the Dog technique, when something is going on you put the attention of people on something else, typical example would be clinton in his days of Monica lewinsky targeted camps in Afghanistan to get the attention off his scandal. I mean Turks have been bombing and obliterating Kurdish villages. Infact they were the biggest recipients of arms in the clinton Era. Infact chomsky mentions in his book called 911 about the draconian laws of that state where a journalist was put in jail for the sole reason that he used the Kurdish spelling of Nuwruz instead of the Turkish one Nevruz. Pakistani Army raped and killed bangalis, Syria and Egypt are open cases, indonesians killed countless peasants in east timor....we need to condemn crimes of states proportionate to the crimes they commit. Israel is a lesser enemy to us then these Pawns of the American imperial power. I would rather takeout these governments then take out Israel.

Salaams,

I understand your point, however if for example Macca or Madina were under attack by non Muslim oppressors would we first look to our place of residence (Muslim countries that you mentioned) or would we expend a majority of our effort on protecting and freeing our Holy land. That is why israel is always targetted by people. Because they are just that, a non Muslim oppressor in the land of our third holiest site.

Jazak Allah

[Opperioav]

I dont know why Israel is singled out every time. I mean we have worse governments then Israel in the Islamic world. Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Sudan, Morocco, Egypt, Indonesia etc. I am not denying Israel is a criminal state, but why arent our criminals singled out. I think its a typical example of Wag the Dog technique, when something is going on you put the attention of people on something else, typical example would be clinton in his days of Monica lewinsky targeted camps in Afghanistan to get the attention off his scandal. I mean Turks have been bombing and obliterating Kurdish villages. Infact they were the biggest recipients of arms in the clinton Era. Infact chomsky mentions in his book called 911 about the draconian laws of that state where a journalist was put in jail for the sole reason that he used the Kurdish spelling of Nuwruz instead of the Turkish one Nevruz. Pakistani Army raped and killed bangalis, Syria and Egypt are open cases, indonesians killed countless peasants in east timor....we need to condemn crimes of states proportionate to the crimes they commit. Israel is a lesser enemy to us then these Pawns of the American imperial power. I would rather takeout these governments then take out Israel.

If a Dog that barks at me, bites a Zionist Invader, I'll give that Dog food and water.

[Falik]

I dont know why Israel is singled out every time. I mean we have worse governments then Israel in the Islamic world. Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Sudan, Morocco, Egypt, Indonesia etc. I am not denying Israel is a criminal state, but why arent our criminals singled out. I think its a typical example of Wag the Dog technique, when something is going on you put the attention of people on something else, typical example would be clinton in his days of Monica lewinsky targeted camps in Afghanistan to get the attention off his scandal. I mean Turks have been bombing and obliterating Kurdish villages. Infact they were the biggest recipients of arms in the clinton Era. Infact chomsky mentions in his book called 911 about the draconian laws of that state where a journalist was put in jail for the sole reason that he used the Kurdish spelling of Nuwruz instead of the Turkish one Nevruz. Pakistani Army raped and killed bangalis, Syria and Egypt are open cases, indonesians killed countless peasants in east timor....we need to condemn crimes of states proportionate to the crimes they commit. Israel is a lesser enemy to us then these Pawns of the American imperial power. I would rather takeout these governments then take out Israel.

The Zionist state is an easy target for angry people, instead of their own "Muslim" governments.

[Opperioav]

The Zionist state is an easy target for angry people, instead of their own "Muslim" governments.

That's exactly what some "Tableeghis" tell the Mujahideen to do. "Oh Correct yourselves, do Jihad with your OWN Nafs before doing jihad against the Kuffar".

[Falik]

That's exactly what some "Tableeghis" tell the Mujahideen to do. "Oh Correct yourselves, do Jihad with your OWN Nafs before doing jihad against the Kuffar".

No, brother, you completely misunderstood me: I'm not saying that no one should care about the Zionist state and rather they only should worry about their nations.
Mine was just a consideration about the use by many government (especially Arabs) of the angry feelings of the people, directing them to the "far enemy" with no practical results (just angry slogans).

But Zionists are enemies, full stop.

[easypokergonj]

No, brother, you completely misunderstood me: I'm not saying that no one should care about the Zionist state and rather they only should worry about their nations.
Mine was just a consideration about the use by many government (especially Arabs) of the angry feelings of the people, directing them to the "far enemy" with no practical results (just angry slogans).

But Zionists are enemies, full stop.

Pakistan is a good example of this "tactic"

Whatever is wrong with the country is the fault of India/USA/Israel/UK and everybody but Pakistanees themselves.

In the Middle-East everything is the fault of the Yahoodees...

There is no doubt that they are involved in the Muslim countries but they wouldn't be able to execute their schemes if they didn't have a bit of help.

[Opperioav]

No, brother, you completely misunderstood me: I'm not saying that no one should care about the Zionist state and rather they only should worry about their nations.
Mine was just a consideration about the use by many government (especially Arabs) of the angry feelings of the people, directing them to the "far enemy" with no practical results (just angry slogans).

But Zionists are enemies, full stop.

Well I have already stated the apologist mindset of some people. It may not necessarily be yourself. In another thread, you accused me of making stupid generalizations, which I did not. Secondly, a Muslim may have many mistakes, but he at least has Eiman in his heart. Any time we say some thing against " Israel " , I see brothers trying to say " oh! first correct those Muslim governments ". Let's just stick to the topic and talk about why the Zionist Occupation should be hated, later, you can start a thread and we'll bash the anti-Muslim Muslim-Governments together. Simple.

[Falik]

Pakistan is a good example of this "tactic"

Whatever is wrong with the country is the fault of India/USA/Israel/UK and everybody but Pakistanees themselves.

In the Middle-East everything is the fault of the Yahoodees...

Exactly what I meant, for putting it correctly and in an understable way.

[Falik]

Well I have already stated the apologist mindset of some people. It may not necessarily be yourself. In another thread, you accused me of making stupid generalizations, which I did not. Secondly, a Muslim may have many mistakes, but he at least has Eiman in his heart. Any time we say some thing against " Israel " , I see brothers trying to say " oh! first correct those Muslim governments ". Let's just stick to the topic and talk about why the Zionist Occupation should be hated, later, you can start a thread and we'll bash the anti-Muslim Muslim-Governments together. Simple.

Brother, we're mixing two issues:

-hatred for all Jews, to which I'm completely against, for I find it anti-Islamic (and not for I don't wanna be label as antisemitic: I've been that for years but the I recovered from it, alhamdulillah).

-Zionism: and I'm completely against it as well as completely against Zionist State.

Then, I made an observation that could seem to mean that we should only care about our internal problems, but I didn't mean that at all; rather it was just a consideration about the use of these populare sentiments by many governments.

Apologizes for the misunderstanding.

[bestbyV]

Well I have already stated the apologist mindset of some people. It may not necessarily be yourself. In another thread, you accused me of making stupid generalizations, which I did not. Secondly, a Muslim may have many mistakes, but he at least has Eiman in his heart. Any time we say some thing against " Israel " , I see brothers trying to say " oh! first correct those Muslim governments ". Let's just stick to the topic and talk about why the Zionist Occupation should be hated, later, you can start a thread and we'll bash the anti-Muslim Muslim-Governments together. Simple.

...I completely agree....the process of self reformation ( individual and collective) runs parallel to hating Israel.....In fact one way to look at it is that the presence of the latter may speed up the former...As for me I saw an Israeli soldier slap a 10 year old hijab clad muslim girl as she begged him for mercy in a video clip when Gaza was invaded a couple of years back...This ought to be enough for hating/loathing/abhoring/ the jewish occupation of the third most sacred place in the world....I hate Israel and the only solution for these zionists seems to be Banu Quraiza all over again....Pakistan is a crappy place with a pro american government, however on this issue, It does not accept Israel as a legitimate state...so I think this is good...

[Rememavotscam]

Brother, we're mixing two issues:

-hatred for all Jews, to which I'm completely against, for I find it anti-Islamic (and not for I don't wanna be label as antisemitic: I've been that for years but the I recovered from it, alhamdulillah).

-Zionism: and I'm completely against it as well as completely against Zionist State.

Then, I made an observation that could seem to mean that we should only care about our internal problems, but I didn't mean that at all; rather it was just a consideration about the use of these populare sentiments by many governments.

Apologizes for the misunderstanding.

[JacomoR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRHqU8H1CVk

Of course you (including you the silent reader) can ignore this useless video and debate other XZ fiqh issue for the 100th time...

Wassalam.