[Jadykeery]

Was Aisha really as young as 9 years old? If so, why did the Prophet marry her? I'm not trying to come off as ignorant or anything, but I'm genuinely curious. I've heard claims that she was 17, 15, 9, and some people even say she was as young as 6. I've asked my parents, but they don't give me a solid answer, lol. They just told me that things were different years ago. I personally don't see why a middle-aged Prophet would want to marry a young girl, but I'm sure there were reasons, so I'm eager to hear them.

[Dastyh]

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[icyfreshy]

Was Aisha really as young as 9 years old? If so, why did the Prophet marry her? I'm not trying to come off as ignorant or anything, but I'm genuinely curious. I've heard claims that she was 17, 15, 9, and some people even say she was as young as 6. I've asked my parents, but they don't give me a solid answer, lol. They just told me that things were different years ago. I personally don't see why a middle-aged Prophet would want to marry a young girl, but I'm sure there were reasons, so I'm eager to hear them.

Heres my answer....

No one from amongst Prophet Muhammads enemies during his time, the people who tried to kill him, through dirt and trash and rocks at, planned against him tried to poison him... NEVER said anything about his marriage to Aaisha...

Now, let's good at Brazil for example, let's say there is a tribe in the jungle of Brazil, they run around naked, get married at any age... but no Brazilians or Westerners say anything, Why? because they say this is their culture so we must accept it.

Likewise the culture of the Arabs, was that this was normal OR they would have used it against Muhammad in his call to the religion of Islam... So can we than come 1400 years later and say.... Well according to OUR culture this is wrong? That wouldn't make any sense....

Lastly it's possible, and it has happened numerous times where girls have reached puberty at early ages and have had the ability to conceive.

Never mind the religious reason why he wed her...

At the end of the day, Normal and Not Normal comes directly from the law of Allah.

[unioneserry]

In hot countries girls tend to reach their puberty earlier than others. This is well known fact. Even today, in Saudi or some other countries you can find 9-year old mothers with 2 children. The age to become a mother is designed, written, proposed and implemented by the very architect of our bodies, that's our Creator, although man-made laws would come up with superstitious impractical numbers.

The marriage of Prophet (s.a.w) to Aysha (r.anha) was decreed by Allah through inspirational dreams that the prophet saw. The dreams of the prophets are wahy', and wahy' is a divine command, similar to the command given to prophet Ibrahim (a.s) to slaughter his son Ismail (a.s). The fact that Aysha (r.anha) was young with a brilliant inquisitive mind and powerful memory, to later on convey all what she'd learned from her noble husband (s.a.w) in general, and in particular his intimate relations and behaviors within household, are to be count among some wisdom of this marriage.

Having said this, I don't deny or refuse to abide by the laws of the countries we reside in. These are two different things.

[CaseyFan]

Heres my answer....

No one from amongst Prophet Muhammads enemies during his time, the people who tried to kill him, through dirt and trash and rocks at, planned against him tried to poison him... NEVER said anything about his marriage to Aaisha...

Now, let's good at Brazil for example, let's say there is a tribe in the jungle of Brazil, they run around naked, get married at any age... but no Brazilians or Westerners say anything, Why? because they say this is their culture so we must accept it.

Likewise the culture of the Arabs, was that this was normal OR they would have used it against Muhammad in his call to the religion of Islam... So can we than come 1400 years later and say.... Well according to OUR culture this is wrong? That wouldn't make any sense....

Lastly it's possible, and it has happened numerous times where girls have reached puberty at early ages and have had the ability to conceive.

Never mind the religious reason why he wed her...

At the end of the day, Normal and Not Normal comes directly from the law of Allah.

I'm on your side but the obvious flaw often pointed out by non-muslims in this arguement is that they say if Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet of God and the perfect example for mankind, surely God could have warned about the future reprecussions of the marriage.

[Jadykeery]

In hot countries girls tend to reach their puberty earlier than others. This is well known fact. Even today, in Saudi or some other countries you can find 9-year old mothers with 2 children. The age to become a mother is designed, written, proposed and implemented by the very architect of our bodies, that's our Creator, although man-made laws would come up with superstitious impractical numbers.

The marriage of Prophet (s.a.w) to Aysha (r.anha) was decreed by Allah through inspirational dreams that the prophet saw. The dreams of the prophets are wahy', and wahy' is a divine command, similar to the command given to prophet Ibrahim (a.s) to slaughter his son Ismail (a.s). The fact that Aysha (r.anha) was young with a brilliant inquisitive mind and powerful memory, to later on convey all what she'd learned from her noble husband (s.a.w) in general, and in particular his intimate relations and behaviors within household, are to be count among some wisdom of this marriage.

Having said this, I don't deny or refuse to abide by the laws of the countries we reside in. These are two different things.

for actually giving me an answer that makes sense

[Seisyvose]

The brother Verdana nailed it on the dot.

[icyfreshy]

I'm on your side but the obvious flaw often pointed out by non-muslims in this arguement is that they say if Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet of God and the perfect example for mankind, surely God could have warned about the future reprecussions of the marriage.

Right... and Where did God say in any scripture that it is wrong?

They are not basing their argument on scripture they are basing it upon their ignorance and misguidance, they are basing it upon what they have understood and adopted from their corrupt society.

They will say it's wrong for him to marry a young girl who was actually more of a women than any one of them, but they will say it's okay for two men to have sex with each other, marry, have children and be happy and gay...

While their bible rejects this Idea, and doesn't reject the idea of young marriage... so at the end of the day they have nothing to use against the Prophet other than their understanding of culture that is not applicable to that time and place.

[Jadykeery]

Heres my answer....

No one from amongst Prophet Muhammads enemies during his time, the people who tried to kill him, through dirt and trash and rocks at, planned against him tried to poison him... NEVER said anything about his marriage to Aaisha...

Now, let's good at Brazil for example, let's say there is a tribe in the jungle of Brazil, they run around naked, get married at any age... but no Brazilians or Westerners say anything, Why? because they say this is their culture so we must accept it.

Likewise the culture of the Arabs, was that this was normal OR they would have used it against Muhammad in his call to the religion of Islam... So can we than come 1400 years later and say.... Well according to OUR culture this is wrong? That wouldn't make any sense....

Lastly it's possible, and it has happened numerous times where girls have reached puberty at early ages and have had the ability to conceive.

Never mind the religious reason why he wed her...

At the end of the day, Normal and Not Normal comes directly from the law of Allah.

I understand where you're coming from, but, no offence, I just wanted a straightforward answer.

I'm not saying any wrong was done. I'm not ignorant.

It's called being curious. Yes, society around me has told me this and that about marriage and what's acceptable and what's not, which is why I questioned it. It's better than sitting and pointing fingers. You're supposed to look for answers. That's what people do.

[Nesskissabe]

In hot countries girls tend to reach their puberty earlier than others. This is well known fact. Even today, in Saudi or some other countries you can find 9-year old mothers with 2 children. The age to become a mother is designed, written, proposed and implemented by the very architect of our bodies, that's our Creator, although man-made laws would come up with superstitious impractical numbers.

The marriage of Prophet (s.a.w) to Aysha (r.anha) was decreed by Allah through inspirational dreams that the prophet saw. The dreams of the prophets are wahy', and wahy' is a divine command, similar to the command given to prophet Ibrahim (a.s) to slaughter his son Ismail (a.s). The fact that Aysha (r.anha) was young with a brilliant inquisitive mind and powerful memory, to later on convey all what she'd learned from her noble husband (s.a.w) in general, and in particular his intimate relations and behaviors within household, are to be count among some wisdom of this marriage.

Having said this, I don't deny or refuse to abide by the laws of the countries we reside in. These are two different things.

good answer.

@faruqi
Thats a good link. Refutes modern day arguments.

[OWDavid]

I'm on your side but the obvious flaw often pointed out by non-muslims in this arguement is that they say if Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet of God and the perfect example for mankind, surely God could have warned about the future reprecussions of the marriage.

The future "repurcussions" of this marriage were as follows:
1) It cemented the bond between the Nabi and Abu Bakr.
2) It provided for a highly intelligent and articulate young wife with a photographic memory in the household for recording and remembering the daily Sunnas of the Prophet
3) It turned the young girl into a via media through whom women of this Umma could benefit and learn the Din related to their private lives.
4) It provided a treasure of ahadith considering that Sayyida A'isha turned out to be one of the most prolific narrators of ahadith.
5) It turned her into an example for women to emulate and follow and pattern their lives on.
Wa salamu alaikum.

[CaseyFan]

The future "repurcussions" of this marriage were as follows:
1) It cemented the bond between the Nabi and Abu Bakr.
2) It provided for a highly intelligent and articulate young wife with a photographic memory in the household for recording and remembering the daily Sunnas of the Prophet
3) It turned the young girl into a via media through whom women of this Umma could benefit and learn the Din related to their private lives.
4) It provided a treasure of ahadith considering that Sayyida A'isha turned out to be one of the most prolific narrators of ahadith.
5) It turned her into an example for women to emulate and follow and pattern their lives on.
Wa salamu alaikum.

I think you misunderstand me. By future reprecussions I mean the millions of people in the west calling the prophet PBUH horrible names and being put off Islam due to Aisha's age. Some people actually stop listening about Islam after they find out about the prophet PBUH's marriage. It's a big point of contention. The masses are moved by emotion and the image of a 6 year old girl or a 9 year old girl with a 50+ year old man really gets to them. The reprecussions are thus millions of people being misguided or finding it more difficult to understand Islam.

[VIAGRA-VIAGRA]

I think you misunderstand me. By future reprecussions I mean the millions of people in the west calling the prophet PBUH horrible names and being put off Islam due to Aisha's age. Some people actually stop listening about Islam after they find out about the prophet PBUH's marriage. It's a big point of contention. The masses are moved by emotion and the image of a 6 year old girl or a 9 year old girl with a 50+ year old man really gets to them. The reprecussions are thus millions of people being misguided or finding it more difficult to understand Islam.

On the other hand, it's quite clear that it not happening is worse, we'd have lost hadiths and the treasure trove of knowledge and taqwa that was Umm al-Muminin Aisha .

This is the age of kufr which suffuses the very air. That people are so quickly turned off of Islam is the fault of the modernist veil over their hearts, and not the fault of whatever else- if it wasn't that, it would be something else, it would be the enjoinment of fighting or the rejection of homosexuality or the penalty of rajm.

[CaseyFan]

That's true. And you raise an interesting point about the lost hadiths. However, one point that a non-muslim may raise is that Aisha (ra) could still have married the prophet(pbuh) (and narrated the hadiths) without "consumating" the marriage when she was 9. To them they cannot comprehend why Allah (knowing the future) would not warn the prophet (pbuh) off. However, I guess we have to trust in Allah as he knows best. Although, this isn't good enough for a non-muslim and some call the prophet (pbuh) the vilest names. Having said that, you can understand where the ones who are sincerely disturbed are coming from.

[Stacypettlerr]

Just to add something to this thread that inshAllah will add another angle to it, the kuffar have set what they consider to be "ideal age" to start having sex. This was set at a ridiculously high age, which is 16, and so now in our minds 9 sounds really young. But as someone who grew up as a white english westerner in a pure white area, believe me, your actually ridiculed by everyone if your still a virgin at 16. Dont let the kalaam of the kuffar fool you, they are very clever with propaganda and making us think with their way of thinking. Ayesha Radiyallahu anha never felt wronged in anyway, she loved the prophet sallahu alayhi wassalam, she loved islaam and served as a major female scholar of fiqh, even fought battles for Islaam. From everything ive seen, I have no doubt that this issue of ayesha radiyallahu anhas young marriage produces no problem unless you judge them according to western standards that were only decided very recently and are still not agreed upon by europpeans (in holland teh legal age for sex is 12 while in other countries its 18, im sure you'd appreciate that a 12 year old and an 18 year are boilgoically massively different, yet each country finds their rules acceptable because taht is what they are used to, british people are used to 16 and so 9 sounds young but a women is well passed being able to get married by the age of 16 and thats why we have a phenominan called "teen pregnancies". I personally think it breaches a persons human rights to force them not to have sex till 18 as teh body is ready much younger than that. Islaam provides the perfect barrier between eligible and not elligible, when a person reaches puberty. No other rule other than this makes sense to me to be honest. How can we say all people should wait till a certain age when everyone is different?

[Stacypettlerr]

we could also make a bog thing of other peoples relgions such as "OH MY GOD, how could abraham try and murder his child...etc etc" you can take anything and make it sound bad and compare it in modern day context but the reality is that Allah ordered these things and noone was harmed, and they complain so much about this for shock tactics yet look how they behave towards women, I hardly think they have anything to complain about the prophets conduct i marriage given their standards regarding sex. You can even find videos of people having sex with anials and all kinds of otehr unimaginable filth so its boggles my mind how they make such a big deal of a very loving marriage just because she was a bit young according to our standards.

Also people in teh west are very immature, and are still behaving like children living in tehir mums basements playing video games allday at the ages of 20+ so you have to remember that this society is very immature. Go to africa you will see 3 year olds who are working and sweeping and helping the families. They think of an english 9 year old who is bombarded with disney and what not and still very much an immature child well into her teens whereas the women in the past were not like this. Mary was only 12 according to the bible, and in the bible god supposedly came through her birth canal (Aoudhu Billah).

Btw sorry if any of my post i offensive, if it is, mods please edit to a suitable manner, my intention is just to explain hypocracy behind their attack of this marriage.

[Stacypettlerr]

I think you misunderstand me. By future reprecussions I mean the millions of people in the west calling the prophet PBUH horrible names and being put off Islam due to Aisha's age. Some people actually stop listening about Islam after they find out about the prophet PBUH's marriage. It's a big point of contention. The masses are moved by emotion and the image of a 6 year old girl or a 9 year old girl with a 50+ year old man really gets to them. The reprecussions are thus millions of people being misguided or finding it more difficult to understand Islam.

So Allah should have told the prophet not to marry ayesha RAA because 1400 years later some ignorant idiots would attack and revile the prophet for it? A lot of things would have been prohibbtted based on this reasoning. The kuffar hate muslims and will use any excuse. They even criticse him for having multiple wives in the first place. Does Allah need to appease his enemies?

[nretdjuend]

That's true. And you raise an interesting point about the lost hadiths. However, one point that a non-muslim may raise is that Aisha (ra) could still have married the prophet(pbuh) (and narrated the hadiths) without "consumating" the marriage when she was 9. To them they cannot comprehend why Allah (knowing the future) would not warn the prophet (pbuh) off. However, I guess we have to trust in Allah as he knows best. Although, this isn't good enough for a non-muslim and some call the prophet (pbuh) the vilest names. Having said that, you can understand where the ones who are sincerely disturbed are coming from.

following on that suggestion that Nabi would marry her and not consummate that marriage, precisely what age should the wife be when a husband can consummate the marriage without having to be answerable for it?

A more probing question would be, how do you think our Fiqh and Islamic rules would evolve for today, if we assume that Nabi had not consummated the marriage? Do you think any madhab (School of thought) would allow consummating with a 9/10 year old female who is completely mature, able to bear children, desirous of relationship by token of being baligh. Afterall Rasulullah did not, then it must be impermissible.

My point is, that Rasulullah doing so also establishes a ruling of shariah, that consummation does not depend on age rather the ability of girl to consummate and bear children.

Another point to ponder, just something to tantalize those neurons. According to Western law normally age of consensual relation is 18. What makes 17 years and 364 days not eligible for the woman to make her private choice, and suddenly the birthday bells give her that ability?

You can also twist this matter into Islamic question. The surety of buloogh (maturity) is at the age of 15 lunar (14.5 solar) years. What makes her mature a moment after her 15th year? and not before then?

[CaseyFan]

following on that suggestion that Nabi would marry her and not consummate that marriage, precisely what age should the wife be when a husband can consummate the marriage without having to be answerable for it?

A more probing question would be, how do you think our Fiqh and Islamic rules would evolve for today, if we assume that Nabi had not consummated the marriage? Do you think any madhab (School of thought) would allow consummating with a 9/10 year old female who is completely mature, able to bear children, desirous of relationship by token of being baligh. Afterall Rasulullah did not, then it must be impermissible.

My point is, that Rasulullah doing so also establishes a ruling of shariah, that consummation does not depend on age rather the ability of girl to consummate and bear children.

Another point to ponder, just something to tantalize those neurons. According to Western law normally age of consensual relation is 18. What makes 17 years and 364 days not eligible for the woman to make her private choice, and suddenly the birthday bells give her that ability?

You can also twist this matter into Islamic question. The surety of buloogh (maturity) is at the age of 15 lunar (14.5 solar) years. What makes her mature a moment after her 15th year? and not before then?

Yes, in terms of specific laws it is odd. I think if Aisha (ra) even 13 years old or 12 at the least a lot of people would have less of a problem with it. But then again you never know, people object to all kinds of things. It is definitely plausible that puberty could have been complete at the ages of 13 (or 12) despite it being rarer then usual. However, 9 for the completion of puberty is nearing on the impossible (I won't say it is as you do have rare cases of girls of that age giving birth). The arugement I've seen used is that the onset of puberty (which is rare as it is at 9 let alone compeltion) is not a sign of readiness for "maritial relations" mentally or physically. They argue Aisha (ra) may have started puberty but this would not mean she was mentally or physically ready (mental or physical readiness would be heralded by the completion of puberty at differing ages for different people). I am not a medical doctor so I'm not an expert on the fine points. But, it is feasible that sexual maturity may be reached by 13-14 (hence teenage pregnancies and what not). But, 9 is why non-muslims disagree.

I'm just putting this out there for discussion.

Allah knows best

[IamRobot]

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