[Kimaamighed]

assalamu alaikum
i just read about an event host by mercymission in islamic events page
i m thinking to tell some true facts about them.
actually i took part in 1 their event and allahu akbar how they published their aqaid of ger muqallid in that event and cancelled all openion of 4 imams.
after that event,in question answer sesson i asked 1 question and gave proof of hanafi openion,the speaker didnt answer me and said we will talk onthis latter via mail and i didnt get any answer of mail yet.
mufti abu hajira or mufti husain haf. also told that they all r salafi in 1 thread.
so plz beware of them and instead of present event like this,must go in any speech in local masjid where u will get total sawab of aitikaf(when u sit in masjid with aitikaf niyat) and u will save ur money.

[avaiftBoara]

mufti abu hajira or mufti husain haf. also told that they all r salafi in 1 thread. here is that thread
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...t=bilal+ismail

[avaiftBoara]

salafies use our scholar's name and their presence to attract ppl to their event

[Stacypettlerr]

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

[frkksptn]

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

He talks as if they're propagating Judaism.

[avaiftBoara]

So in a nutshell, you advise to stay away from anything Salafi, even if they cooperate with you in good, help you, do a lot of good, as long as they are salafi in their understanding of teh religion, no matter how much good they do or how much they try to help you and work with you, you believe the only answer is boycotting and attacking them?

Does anyone else agree with this conclusion and does anyone disagree and believe that groups like mercy mission and al maghrib are ok due to their reaching out to and cooperating with deobandis and never attacking them and working in the good? Im very interested to see what others have to say as it saddens me to see you felt warning against mercy mission was your best use of time. they do a lot of good in a country where many muslim youth are in brothels and night clubs. I just went to teh bradford al kauthar course and teh pakistani community in bradford is very far away from islam, a lot of th eyouth drink and do drugs and go to prostitutes, its a shame you want to argue with a small group of well mannered practsiing and active muslims rather than working togetehr to rectify the masses who are falling furthera nd futehr away from islam. May allah guide us all

why you need their help?our many groups working on this field,those are not enough?
while they attack on 4 imams and oppose taqlid and muqallidin,so what reason to participate in their event?
agree or disagree with some one is not a big problem but while they oppose you and every time attacke on you,so which thing encourage you to participate with them?
afterall one br.just send me a video in which Dr.Zakir Naik one of their big gun Attack on Mufti ibne aadam

[Kimaamighed]

why you need their help?our many groups working on this field,those are not enough?
while they attack on 4 imams and oppose taqlid and muqallidin,so what reason to participate in their event?
agree or disagree with some one is not a big problem but while they oppose you and every time attacke on you,so which thing encourage you to participate with them?
afterall one br.just send me a video in which Dr.Zakir Naik one of their big gun Attack on Mufti ibne aadam

absoulutily right shaikh

[Stacypettlerr]

why you need their help?

brother, did you read the part where I said teh vast majority of the youth are in brothels and nightclubs? We need to work togetehr for the better of the ummah and overlook minor differences inshAllah.

Mercy Mission NEVER attacks deobandis or the four imams, I was at a course by shaikh tawfique choudry where he said learn fiqh from deobandis, they never say anything bad about deobandi dawah although they might not agree on everythign but they never say dont go here, dont listen to so and so, so and so is a deviant, deobandi this deobandi that. They are allowed to disagree but at least they have akhlaaq. Surely tehre are deobandis who hold differing views to mercy mission and teachw hat they consider as haqh without attacking anyone else

[Lypepuddyu]

wrwb.

hold on, no one's having problems with the community work they are doing, bro e-student here is only putting forth what he personally came across, at that event what was the need to even talk about the taqlid/non taqlid thing.

the problem here is not many people know the harm that can result in not doing taqlid (but that argument is for a different day and a different thread)

[Lorionasodi]

brother, did you read the part where I said teh vast majority of the youth are in brothels and nightclubs? We need to work togetehr for the better of the ummah and overlook minor differences inshAllah.

This is where Salafis really tick me off. MashaAllah the likes of Jamat brothers ACTIVELY seek out such individuals and make dawah, sacrifice time with their own family to support these people with their deen. And once this person makes an attempt to practice salah etc a Salafi will come along "yaani akhi why dont you do rafadain" and just brainwash and confuse these youngsters. Salafis talk a lot about unity on the back foot but their actions speak louder than their words and they do nothing but cause confusion in the youth and sow seeds of disrespect for classical Ulema.

Mercy Mission NEVER attacks deobandis or the four imams, I was at a course by shaikh tawfique choudry where he said learn fiqh from deobandis, they never say anything bad about deobandi dawah although they might not agree on everythign but they never say dont go here, dont listen to so and so, so and so is a deviant, deobandi this deobandi that. They are allowed to disagree but at least they have akhlaaq. Surely tehre are deobandis who hold differing views to mercy mission and teachw hat they consider as haqh without attacking anyone else I was at a talk once at Green Lane where Abu Usama was expressing similar sentiments. And we all saw his true colours come out with respect to i.e. Imam Abu Hanifah RA which sparked backlash from our Ulema. See Hanafi Fiqh channel.

As I said, rosy words but thorny actions.

[Lypepuddyu]

this is where salafis really tick me off. Mashaallah the likes of jamat brothers actively seek out such individuals and make dawah, sacrifice time with their own family to support these people with their deen. And once this person makes an attempt to practice salah etc a salafi will come along "yaani akhi why dont you do rafadain" and just brainwash and confuse these youngsters. Salafis talk a lot about unity on the back foot but their actions speak louder than their words and they do nothing but cause confusion in the youth and sow seeds of disrespect for classical ulema.

exactly !!!

[Lypepuddyu]

This is where Salafis really tick me off. MashaAllah the likes of Jamat brothers ACTIVELY seek out such individuals and make dawah, sacrifice time with their own family to support these people with their deen. And once this person makes an attempt to practice salah etc a Salafi will come along "yaani akhi why dont you do rafadain" and just brainwash and confuse these youngsters. Salafis talk a lot about unity on the back foot but their actions speak louder than their words and they do nothing but cause confusion in the youth and sow seeds of disrespect for classical Ulema.

wrwb,

This has actually happened with me, but Alhamdulillah, Allah SWT saved me.
Would I refuse them if if they invited me to do some community work? Astaghfirullah, why would I or anyone else for that matter?
We actually donate to a charity run by the ghayr muqallids.
The problem doesn't stop here, people think that the 'jamat' guys ('coz they are the most commonly seen of all) only give daawah and do no community work, how awfully wrong they are...

[Stacypettlerr]

salafis are not one homogenous group. Abu Usama loves abu hanifa though

you guys are not fulfilling your part of the pledge:

http://muslimmatters.org/wp-content/...izations-2.pdf

here are some of the issues people here are in breach of whiel I try to fulfill my end of the bargain I watch in vain as teh line is conintually crossed by others here from a different pursuasion:

"Likewise, detailed discussions in matters of theology are the specific domain of trained
specialists, and proceed on the basis of well-defined principles and methodologies, which
are beyond the knowledge of the generality of Muslims."

"Recognizing that the specter of sectarianism threatens to further weaken and debilitate
our struggling Muslim community at this critical time in human affairs, and recognizing
that Allah, Exalted is He, has given the Muslim community in the West a unique
historical opportunity to advance the cause of peace, cooperation, and goodwill amongst
the people of the world, we the undersigned respectfully:

- Urge Muslims to categorically cease all attacks on individual Muslims and
organizations whose varying positions can be substantiated based on the broad scholarly
tradition of the Sunni Muslims. We especially urge the immediate cessation of all implicit
or explicit charges of disbelief;"

- Urge Muslim scholars and students of sacred knowledge to take the lead in working to
end ad hominem attacks on other scholars and students; to cease unproductive, overly
polemical writings and oral discourse; and to work to stimulate greater understanding and
cooperation between Muslims, at both the level of the leadership and the general
community;

-Urge Muslims in the West, especially our youth, to leave off unproductive and divisive
discussions of involved theological issues that are the proper domain of trained
specialists, and we especially discourage participation in those internet chat rooms,
campus discussion groups, and other forums that only serve to create ill-will among many
Muslims, while fostering a divisive, sectarian spirit;

- Urge our brothers and sisters in faith to concentrate on enriching their lives by
deepening their practice of Islam through properly learning the basics of the faith,
adopting a consistent regimen of Qur'anic recitation, endeavoring to remember and
invoke Allah in the morning and evening, learning the basics of jurisprudence, attempting
to engage in voluntary fasting as much as possible, studying the Prophetic biography on a
consistent basis, studying the etiquettes that guide our interactions with our fellow
Muslims, and the performance of other beneficial religious acts, to the extent practical for
their circumstances;

- Finally, we urge the Believers to attempt to undertake individual and collective actions
that will help to counter the growing campaign of anti-Islamic misinformation and
propaganda that attempts to portray our religion as a violence-prone relic of the past
unsuitable for modern society, and by so doing justify indiscriminate wars against
Muslim peoples, occupation of Muslim lands, and usurpation of their resources.



Some of the scholars whom I believe you will be putting your trust will include (to my knowledge):

Zaid Shakir
Suhaib Webb
Muhammad ibn Adam
Hamza Yusuf
Faraz Rabbani





So you guys should not be mentioning the names of specific organisations or individuals, shoudl not be discussing on web forums, shoudl be leaving it to the ulema, should be focusing on bettering yourselves through seerah, qur'an, voluntary fasting etc, should be working together to further islam and defend it from attacks and cooperate to remove the many harms we are currently facing.


Verdict: This thread is in serious breach of this agreement!



I agree that some salafi youth still havent got over the rafa al yadain issue, and thats why we should be making efforts to inform them of this pledge and to leave these topics rather than fighting. You guys should make efforts to build bridges with salafis rather than attack them. These issues are pathetic. If you want to call people to make tawleed, according to the agreement, tehre is absolutely no issue with you writing up an article on taqleed and its proofs and benefits, just dont make ad hominem attacks and mention specific names of indivudals and organisations. Then you would be totally in keeping with the agreement. you dont need to attack anyone, especially the likes of mercy mission who do so much good and NEVER attack any of your scholars or organisations and always try to reach out.

There are some serious deviants in this ummah like tahir ul qadri. Dont waste your time fighting salafis when you are on the same side inshAllah

[avaiftBoara]

salafis are not one homogenous group. Abu Usama loves abu hanifa though

may be u didnt see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubHBbHJH0U

[Kimaamighed]

may be u didnt see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubHBbHJH0U

jazakallah br.
br.dawud why are you save salafi and protest them every time even our elders like our amir mufti husain haf and shaikh a.rahim haf's oppinion are very clear?

[pMJWFoAWD]

jazakallah br.
br.dawud why are you save salafi and protest them every time even our elders like our amir mufti husain haf and shaikh a.rahim haf's oppinion are very clear?

It's DEAD SIMPLE. The SALAFIS are the saved sect

[CuittisIL]

There are some serious deviants in this ummah like tahir ul qadri. Dont waste your time fighting salafis when you are on the same side inshAllah

I don't follow or even agree with Tahirul Qadri but an onlooker to your post can say that you too, have just breached the agreement right there.

Salafis have many sides, and come in different shades so it ain't so simple, but nevertheless it's good to work with common muslims on some recognized Deeni effort.

[indahouweres]

The matter is not that simple like how it is being described here. How can I work with someone who thinks I am misguided (being maturidi) and how can I work with Pakistani Salafis who believe I'm a Mushrik (being a muqallid deobandi)????

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

Deobandis will make taawun with people on matters of haq

There's no point keep putting these things on forums

Enough people of good mashrab to cooperate with

We should be arguing with atheists and modernists
And Sufis who are like Akbar badshah- whose manhaj was destroyed by mujadid alf Thani


I think mujadid alf Thani would be horrified by wembley arena

[Lorionasodi]

salafis are not one homogenous group. Abu Usama loves abu hanifa though