[Ornamiviant]

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Arrested
(1) 700 protesters arrested but later released.
(2) This was a protest of the 99% against the disproportionate power of the 1%.
(3) It is not fair that our government supports large corporations rather than the people.
(4) A series of other small-scale protests have also sprung up in other US cities in sympathy with the aims of Occupy Wall Street.

[Ornamiviant]

US Debt Gone Bad(1) After 2005 US debt started to increase more rapidly then the usual rise.
(2) Around the same time the GDP (total goods and services produced by them) growth rate became slow.
(3) US debt might have crossed its GDP. (It is unlikely that the secret might be kept for long.)
(4) Dot Com Bubble and the Housing Sector Bubble both went bust precipitating 2008 Depression. (Officially US is out of that-whatever is meant by that.)
(5) Federal US Government spent $1.6tn, that is, $1600bn to battle the financial crisis.
(6) This resulted in lower tax returns and in turn hitting the people.
(7) Add up the $1.25tn, that $1250 bn spent on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Strange that the victims do not think that US is at war with them!)
(8) Good Samaritan G.W.Bush had even slashed tax to help his beloved people! (Normally when you are going to war you'd expect to pay at least financial price as an individual.)
(9) Unemployment increased. This meant two things. One more expenditure on benefits to the unemployed and lower tax returns to the government. In short deepening of crisis.
(10) Half of budget is mandatory-means not cut possible.
(11) In the rest half fifty percent is defense. This too can not be cut.
(12) Being the growth based economy the budget deficit is managed by the growth money-ther very thing that is disappearing.

[RildFiemodo]

US Debt Gone Bad(1) After 2005 US debt started to increase more rapidly then the usual rise.
(2) Around the same time the GDP (total goods and services produced by them) growth rate became slow.
(3) US debt might have crossed its GDP. (It is unlikely that the secret might be kept for long.)
(4) Dot Com Bubble and the Housing Sector Bubble both went bust precipitating 2008 Depression. (Officially US is out of that-whatever is meant by that.)
(5) Federal US Government spent $1.6tn, that is, $1600bn to battle the financial crisis.
(6) This resulted in lower tax returns and in turn hitting the people.
(7) Add up the $1.25tn, that $1250 bn spent on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Strange that the victims do not think that US is at war with them!)
(8) Good Samaritan G.W.Bush had even slashed tax to help his beloved people! (Normally when you are going to war you'd expect to pay at least financial price as an individual.)
(9) Unemployment increased. This meant two things. One more expenditure on benefits to the unemployed and lower tax returns to the government. In short deepening of crisis.
(10) Half of budget is mandatory-means not cut possible.
(11) In the rest half fifty percent is defense. This too can not be cut.
(12) Being the growth based economy the budget deficit is managed by the growth money-ther very thing that is disappearing.

Right now state of union is in REALLY bad shape. One of my coworkers always goes on and on about how we need to go to washington and demand an end to the wars so we can utilize that money domestically. I said its not just the money, its also the cries of the oppressed, the cries of all of those children we made orphans, the cries of all of those women we made widows, the cries of all of those parents who saw their children die right before their eyes or are now dealing with children who are severely ill because of what we did, their cries cannot be calculated on spreadsheets but there is no veil between them and God. Coworkers began to cry. We have to apologize for our actions and try to make ammends for what we did, this is the first step. Otherwise, the only way I see America even remaining on its feet in the future is because Dajjal needs a support system behind him, thats the only thing that crosses my mind.

US Dollar is tied to oil - oil is the greatest commodity traded in the world since ww2 and is only sold in us dollars - as long as dollar is tied to gold it can devalue to garbage yet people will still be forced to buy dollar first in order to buy oil.

[amagmasia]

Assalamu alaykum

US was bankrupt long time back. It his held together by outside force. Outside means countries who want US to be powerful for THEIR SURVIVAL.

That sounds like the Ottoman Empire around 1850-1900. Pretty bankrupt and deep in debts, but the powers of the day needed it against the Russians so they propped it up.

[orison]

NO. Your argument is faulty.

"And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners." (Al Imran: 54)

I was telling my husband just last week, how US will never go down because no matter what, it will keep itself alive at the expense of everybody else on the planet. And he quoted this very same ayah. Surely Allah swt is the best of planners, subhanAllah.

[ValdisSeroff]

I was telling my husband just last week, how US will never go down because no matter what, it will keep itself alive at the expense of everybody else on the planet. And he quoted this very same ayah. Surely Allah swt is the best of planners, subhanAllah.

Thats exactly my point

Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are paying them billions for the first Gulf war and of course protection so US will always survive on Arab regimes money

[nintenda]

I dont think most people realize that if the US were to collapse - the whole world will follow - the only countries that will be able to mildly weather the storm will be those countries already ostracized by the world - Iran will become a superpower, N. Korea will be a big player, Syria may become powerful - Saudi May be able to survive it - but Europe will crash, Africa will get worse. Iraq and Afganistan will get worse. So as you sit your electrified, internet connected homes wherever you are in the world and complain that your country is helping to prop the US up - remeber, they are doing it so you can maintain your current living standards. Think about the conmplaints we'd be hearing if the US collapsed tommorow and the rest of the world fell like dominos behind it. Although, if that happened it would most likely lead to a Khilafat so thats a good thing.

The collapse of the US would mean hardhsip for the majority of the world for propbably the rest of our lives.

[gusecrync]

The majority of the world is already facing a lot of hardship due to European imperialists.

[ValdisSeroff]

I dont think most people realize that if the US were to collapse - the whole world will follow - the only countries that will be able to mildly weather the storm will be those countries already ostracized by the world - Iran will become a superpower, N. Korea will be a big player, Syria may become powerful - Saudi May be able to survive it - but Europe will crash, Africa will get worse. Iraq and Afganistan will get worse. So as you sit your electrified, internet connected homes wherever you are in the world and complain that your country is helping to prop the US up - remeber, they are doing it so you can maintain your current living standards. Think about the conmplaints we'd be hearing if the US collapsed tommorow and the rest of the world fell like dominos behind it. Although, if that happened it would most likely lead to a Khilafat so thats a good thing.

The collapse of the US would mean hardhsip for the majority of the world for propbably the rest of our lives.

as it is Saudi regime's survival is dependent on American Govt

At times I think Osama was right all along with his predictions...

[Ornamiviant]

I dont think most people realize that if the US were to collapse - the whole world will follow - the only countries that will be able to mildly weather the storm will be those countries already ostracized by the world - Iran will become a superpower, N. Korea will be a big player, Syria may become powerful - Saudi May be able to survive it - but Europe will crash, Africa will get worse. Iraq and Afganistan will get worse. So as you sit your electrified, internet connected homes wherever you are in the world and complain that your country is helping to prop the US up - remeber, they are doing it so you can maintain your current living standards. Think about the conmplaints we'd be hearing if the US collapsed tommorow and the rest of the world fell like dominos behind it. Although, if that happened it would most likely lead to a Khilafat so thats a good thing.

The collapse of the US would mean hardhsip for the majority of the world for propbably the rest of our lives.

You forgot China and Japan. I'll count both of them in survivors and China as a super power. And yes the world will pass through lots of hardships. Iraq and Afghanistan will, Insha Allah, be better and not worse. But got to stop here because we should not guess too much.
Wassalam

[nintenda]

You forgot China and Japan. I'll count both of them in survivors and China as a super power. And yes the world will pass through lots of hardships. Iraq and Afghanistan will, Insha Allah, be better and not worse. But got to stop here because we should not guess too much.
Wassalam

Chinas curency is pegged to the dollar, and their economy is dependant on US customers buying their cheap goods - the only way China survives is if they see the collapse coming and adjust their currency, which could be the blow that cripples the US. Either way, your right China will survive, but will be set back 50 years economicly. Hu Jin Tao said the thing that keeps him up at night is trying to keep the 3 million new chinese entering the work force monthly employed, month after month - without US consumers buying chinese products - those 3 million unemployed workers will start to add up and get angry. Japan will definately survive - after their economy droped in the 90's - the Japanese people went into savings mode - they have lots of cash stacked for rainy days and they will be well prepared for any global downturn, just like they were in 07.

Saudi will do fine without the US - they enjoy the benefits of the US, but they can survive without it - if the western world colla[pse the new big boys on the block will be the ASains with their stacks of cahs, and the Middle east with their stacks of resources - where will the asains go to spend their cash, and who will the middle east look to for protection from its people?

Even if the US does not collapse, this will be the new world dynamic when our grandchildren are grown - the US's power is already begining to wane, and Asias power is rising. The US's next move is to make Red China the new boogey man, and leave the Muslims alone as they focus on the commie threat from the east.

[nintenda]

The majority of the world is already facing a lot of hardship due to European imperialists.

Allah is the best of planners, and sometimes His Hikmah is not clear until later - if you stuck an Afghan woman and an American or European woman on an island - who do you think would be able to survive? If the wests standard of living drops down to say Afghani or even Pakistani levels - the average western citizen wont be able to survive, they are not used to it, while the Africans, Afghans, Pakistanis, Indians, Iraqis, Yemenis - they already are living this life - they are comfortable in it, used to it - This could be the thing that causes the Muslims to rise to power again - Allah hu Alim.

[g4YthYXx]

No matter how unpopular I am for saying this but would you rather have china as a superpower? Or the russians? Or the Indians? All of these countries allow far less religious freedom in their own country in comparison to america. It's like the joke me and my wife make. It is good ALLAH gave money to the khaleejis (gulf arabs) rather than the other lighter skinned arabs as these lighter skinned arabs take great pride in themselves, their heritage (nationalism), skin colour (light skin) and beauty but ALLAH decided that he gave money to so called uglier (in the eyes of lighter skinned arabs but offcourse is not correct), darker, illiterate, bedouins. It's only a joke but makes sense. In the same way I would rather have americans being the superpower than communist china who will not allow any sort of practicing of islam.

[Ornamiviant]

No matter how unpopular I am for saying this but would you rather have china as a superpower? Or the russians? Or the Indians? All of these countries allow far less religious freedom in their own country in comparison to america. It's like the joke me and my wife make. It is good ALLAH gave money to the khaleejis (gulf arabs) rather than the other lighter skinned arabs as these lighter skinned arabs take great pride in themselves, their heritage (nationalism), skin colour (light skin) and beauty but ALLAH decided that he gave money to so called uglier (in the eyes of lighter skinned arabs but offcourse is not correct), darker, illiterate, bedouins. It's only a joke but makes sense. In the same way I would rather have americans being the superpower than communist china who will not allow any sort of practicing of islam.

Shaikh we are not really talking about our wishes. We'd wish for the Khilafah. We were only trying to take stock of the reality as it is unfolding. In that context I fear that Europe and US collapsing might drown many gulf states too because the majority of the gulf institutions are coupled to western institutions. We learned it when Dubai was behaving just like a western economy and was bailed out by the person whose names goes with Burj Khalifa. And if we go by our past experiences of economic difficulties I'll really request both US and Europe not to get drowned. (My silly attempt at humour.) So there.
Wassalam

[indahouweres]

I agree to everything MujahidAbdullah said, Masha'Allah, except that I think Saudi economy will be affected alot.

[Lypepuddyu]

No matter how unpopular I am for saying this but would you rather have china as a superpower? Or the russians? Or the Indians? All of these countries allow far less religious freedom in their own country in comparison to america. It's like the joke me and my wife make. It is good ALLAH gave money to the khaleejis (gulf arabs) rather than the other lighter skinned arabs as these lighter skinned arabs take great pride in themselves, their heritage (nationalism), skin colour (light skin) and beauty but ALLAH decided that he gave money to so called uglier (in the eyes of lighter skinned arabs but offcourse is not correct), darker, illiterate, bedouins. It's only a joke but makes sense. In the same way I would rather have americans being the superpower than communist china who will not allow any sort of practicing of islam.

wrwb, no brother, don't group India with China & Russia, the latter two are on a different scale, but yes, relatively speaking, US is better of the two (C&R) when it comes to religious freedom.

[Ornamiviant]

Standard and Poor
This is a credit rating company, a part of McGraw Hill group of companies.
A credit rating company's job is to tell the investors about the reliability of the companies in which they want to invest their money. And the reliability of nations as places to invest money.
President of S&P was one Deven Sharma born in Jharkhand in India in 1956.
He is the person who told the truth about US credit rating. That is is not the top rated economy to invest your money in.
He must have known it before he told it to the world.
Now comes the professional hazard.
If he had not told the world he would have been responsible for his action.
He chose to tell the world and he has been held responsible for his action.
He was removed as the President of S&P and effectively will have to leave the company (that is if he has not already left it by now.)

When drinking the zam zam (the water from the holy sanctuary of Kaaba) one recites the following prayers:

O Allah I ask you for beneficial knowledge, abundant sustenance and cure from every disease.

The point to focus on is the beneficial knowledge. At some point of time the knowledge that Mr Sharma had ceased to be beneficial. It was harmful to him if he used it-as he did. It would have been harmful to him if he had not used it and had chosen to remain silent. This is a situation in which there was no voluntary mistake on his part but he ended up being punished. This is a type of situation in which one has no other weapon in his armory except supplication.

Originally posted here.

[amagmasia]

There is also this to consider: China pursued, and maybe is still pursuing, population control very aggressively with its "One Child Policy". And now its population is aging... soon there will be more old people than young ones.

I have also heard that in Japan schools were closed due to the *lack of children* ... it's almost unimaginable. But maybe it's due to migration from small towns to big cities rather than any drastic drop in birthrate. Singapore used to have a "Stop at Two" campaign to limit family sizes, and now is belatedly reversing it...


So... China and Far East Asia rises for a while, then stalls because there are not enough young people...

[Lypepuddyu]

There is also this to consider: China pursued, and maybe is still pursuing, population control very aggressively with its "One Child Policy". And now its population is aging... soon there will be more old people than young ones.

I have also heard that in Japan schools were closed due to the *lack of children* ... it's almost unimaginable. But maybe it's due to migration from small towns to big cities rather than any drastic drop in birthrate. Singapore used to have a "Stop at Two" campaign to limit family sizes, and now is belatedly reversing it...


So... China and Far East Asia rises for a while, then stalls because there are not enough young people...

wrwb, Japan has 'negative' population growth

http://geography.about.com/od/popula...phy/a/zero.htm

Japan is the only non-European country in the list and it has a 0% natural birth increase and is expected to lose 21% of its population by 2050 (shrinking from 127.8 million to a mere 100.6 million in 2050). The streets of Tokyo won’t be as crowded in a few decades as they are today!