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Old 09-20-2011, 02:23 AM   #1
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Assalamu Alaykum

I have realised that it seems to be quite a big issue to newly practiced muslims and also reverts, regarding praying 5times a day and also making up missed salaahs.

I have some questions. Please let me know if your answer is just from hanafi fiqh, or from all four madhahib, or the different oppinions on the issue.

1 Do they need to make up the sunnahs etc too or just the 5 obligatory prayers?

2 Does a revert need to make up any missed prayers from the moment he takes shahada?

3 If they are struggling to pray 5 times a day still, should they wait until they are firm before making up their missed salaah?

4 What is teh evidence and method of making up salaah? A big detailed article or two, detailing this, plus I know salafis say you shoudlnt make them up so a rebuttal of their viewpoint inshAllah and evidences, would be much appreciated. In know they use the statement of ibn hazm as I have a salafi salaah book. the daleel he uses is a kind of qiyas that if you pray before its fixed time its invalid and so if you pray after its fixed time its also invalid.

I need serious detail on this issue, its very important. Also, a detailed article on missed fasts, if someone didnt practice and missed a whole ramadan for example, they'd have to fast 2 whole months non stop for each day they missed, is that possible? How would they make up what they missed?

Or can a person just repent? This is an important issue so please provide much details, statements of scholars, evidences, etc etc, no derailments, no nonsense, deep detailed posts inshAllah based on knowledge bi ithnillah. Statements of the hanafi madhab are needed too inshAllah plus otehr schools and ulema outside of the 4 schools
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:33 AM   #2
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http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=5030

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/qada_lifetime_salat.shtml
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:22 AM   #3
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1 Do they need to make up the sunnahs etc too or just the 5 obligatory prayers?
Just the five obligatory prayers plus witr for Hanafis.

2 Does a revert need to make up any missed prayers from the moment he takes shahada? Yes, "converts" or born-Muslims have the same Shari'ah.

3 If they are struggling to pray 5 times a day still, should they wait until they are firm before making up their missed salaah? They should be encouraged.

4 What is teh evidence and method of making up salaah? For evidences see the articles below; for the method, Fulan will just have to pray the same exact prayer(s) he missed, with the intention of "making-up a missed prayer", plus making tawbah.

Also, a detailed article on missed fasts, if someone didnt practice and missed a whole ramadan for example, they'd have to fast 2 whole months non stop for each day they missed, is that possible? How would they make up what they missed? If they didn't start the fast at all, they will have just to make-up the missed days of fast (29 or 30); the kaffara is for when one breaks his fast after having started it, not for when one doesn't start it at all.
There is also a fatwa by Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam al-Kawthari on Sunnipath about this.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:23 AM   #4
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aoa,
doesnt sunnah of fajr have to be made up too according to the hanafi fiqh?
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:07 AM   #5
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As-salamu ´alaykum brother Dawud,

If you break your fast by other means than sexual intercourse, you only have to make up that day in the Shafi'i school. The two months would only be applicable if the fast was broken through sexual intercourse (so this also excludes breaking it by means of masturbation). So leaving out an entire Ramadan would mean you have to fast for one month Qada. One may take this opinion for ease insha'Allah, as there is nothing that binds a person to follow one madhhab in all issues.

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Old 09-20-2011, 10:04 PM   #6
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Just the five obligatory prayers plus witr for Hanafis.



Yes, "converts" or born-Muslims have the same Shari'ah.



They should be encouraged.



For evidences see the articles below; for the method, Fulan will just have to pray the same exact prayer(s) he missed, with the intention of "making-up a missed prayer", plus making tawbah.



If they didn't start the fast at all, they will have just to make-up the missed days of fast (29 or 30); the kaffara is for when one breaks his fast after having started it, not for when one doesn't start it at all.
There is also a fatwa by Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam al-Kawthari on Sunnipath about this.
Jazak Allahu Khair bro, if the kaffara only for sexual intercourse in hanafi fiqh also? Or how does it differ from the shaafi fiqh that the brother just mentioned?

Does anyone know any books written by classical hanafi ulema on this issue?
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Old 09-21-2011, 05:09 AM   #7
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Jazak Allahu Khair bro, if the kaffara only for sexual intercourse in hanafi fiqh also? Or how does it differ from the shaafi fiqh that the brother just mentioned?

Does anyone know any books written by classical hanafi ulema on this issue?


Brother ylulat informed me that the kaffarah for breaking the fast after eating is 60 days consecutive fasting but not for every single day. One kaffarah is enough to cover all days on which fasts were broken, regardless of whether these fasts were broken in one Ramadhan period, two, or more.

You have to do multiple kaffarah only if your fasts are broken by intercourse.

Nur ul Idah was cited to prove this issue.
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:12 AM   #8
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Brother ylulat informed me that the kaffarah for breaking the fast after eating is 60 days consecutive fasting but not for every single day. One kaffarah is enough to cover all days on which fasts were broken, regardless of whether these fasts were broken in one Ramadhan period, two, or more.

You have to do multiple kaffarah only if your fasts are broken by intercourse.

Nur ul Idah was cited to prove this issue.
السلام عليكم

May I please have the reference please as this affects me personally جزاك الله

و عليكم السلام
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:16 AM   #9
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Just the five obligatory prayers plus witr for Hanafis.

Yes, "converts" or born-Muslims have the same Shari'ah.
السلام عليكم

I have never heard of this, can I please ask for the proof for this.

وعليكم السلام
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:29 AM   #10
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Jazak Allahu Khair bro, if the kaffara only for sexual intercourse in hanafi fiqh also? Or how does it differ from the shaafi fiqh that the brother just mentioned?
The Hanafi Madhhab differs in this from the Shafi'i in that kaffarah is required also if someone voluntarily breaks one's fast through drinking or eating (not only through sexual intercourse, thus).

Does anyone know any books written by classical hanafi ulema on this issue?
I'd say that any Hanafi Fiqh manual touch over these points..

Brother ylulat informed me that the kaffarah for breaking the fast after eating is 60 days consecutive fasting but not for every single day. One kaffarah is enough to cover all days on which fasts were broken, regardless of whether these fasts were broken in one Ramadhan period, two, or more.

You have to do multiple kaffarah only if your fasts are broken by intercourse.

Nur ul Idah was cited to prove this issue.
I'd suggest you to confirm with a scholar: a few of the points mentioned (underlined) don't coincide with what I've read in fatawa and books (I'm not a scholar myself, just having some doubts!)..

السلام عليكم

I have never heard of this, can I please ask for the proof for this.

وعليكم السلام


Regarding what, exactly?

Witr is wajib in the Hanafi madhhab, thus you have to make it up if you miss it.
Other madhahib differ...
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:41 AM   #11
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I'd suggest you to confirm with a scholar: a few of the points mentioned (underlined) don't coincide with what I've read in fatawa and books (I'm not a scholar myself, just having some doubts!)..


See this thread, especially brother ylulat's posts:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-HELPP!!/page2

I thought the same about kaffarah since that is what I had read in Bahishti Zevar but brother ylulat sourced Nur ul Idah and Radd al-Muhtar, where a detailed explanation is given.

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Old 09-21-2011, 12:07 PM   #12
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One may take this opinion for ease insha'Allah, as there is nothing that binds a person to follow one madhhab in all issues.
aoa,

is this allowed?i was OP of an entire thread that dealt with this issue and what i gathered is that pick and choose is not allowed for laymen. however scholars may adopt this methodolody:s
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:01 PM   #13
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See this thread, especially brother ylulat's posts:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-HELPP!!/page2

I thought the same about kaffarah since that is what I had read in Bahishti Zevar but brother ylulat sourced Nur ul Idah and Radd al-Muhtar, where a detailed explanation is given.

My understanding (must have read this somewhere) is that there is Ikhtilaf inside our madhhab regarding the issue of kaffara for different Ramadan fastings; so the most correct thing to do would be to ask a scholar which one is the mufta bihi opinion..
And on a side note, there are various non-mufta bihi opinions in Nur al-Idah..

And Allah knows best.
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