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[WertyNtont]

Pakistan is a failed state. so anything is inevitable under current atmosphere

[NowFloabDow]

Pakistan is a failed state. so anything is inevitable under current atmosphere

Instead of doing a pray u r on putting ur ridiculous thoughts.

How Pakistan is a failed state?

[Junrlaeh]

Pakistan is a failed state. so anything is inevitable under current atmosphere

Stop listening to and watching bbc and CNN.

[NowFloabDow]

Stop listening to and watching bbc and CNN.

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[Weislenalkata]

iraq was so nice now it is trash i hope for you pakistan wont end up like iraq

[NowFloabDow]

iraq was so nice now it is trash i hope for you pakistan wont end up like iraq

AAMEEN!

brother my prayers are with you people, don't worry InshAllah victory is near.Allah hu Akbar!

[WertyNtont]

Instead of doing a pray u r on putting ur ridiculous thoughts.

How Pakistan is a failed state?

Well lets see...this is supposedly a country with 180 million Muslim inhabitants (advantage) But its economy is in dire straits; outside assistance alone prevents the country from going bankrupt. There is a vast disparity in affluence and standard of living between a small upper class and the rest of the population.

Ordinary Pakitani's face great hardship in their daily lives because of the high costs of basic essentials, rampant inflation, power and water shortages, and a deficit of law and order. Governance is mostly dysfunctional; corruption is massive and all pervasive; the bureaucracy is paralysed due to constant political meddling.

More? the political system is in disarray with state institutions and functionaries at loggerheads, while politicians line their own pockets and undermine each other. In addition to these systemic problems the country has to deal with two insurgencies (in its northern and southern tribal areas) plus terrorist attacks occurring frequently in its cities. Making things worse, underlying all this are the ticking time bombs of rapid population growth, a shrinking food supply base, a high proportion of young men with no prospect of gainful work, and increasing urbanization, mostly in the form of huge slums in and around cities.

The current situation is further aggravated by a critical disconnect between the government led by GANGSTA (Zirdari) and the vast majority of the people, especially as regards the USA. The government of President Zardari depends on the US for financial and other aid and is willing to align its policies fully with the US’s requirements, especially in support of the war in Afghanistan. The military also seeks assistance in funding and equipment from the US, and has gone along with US needs to a certain extent. However, the bulk of the people have a very different attitude towards the US ....now tell me if I'm wrong but I would even call it a Failed ISLAMIC State that depends on kuffar's for its survival

[WertyNtont]

iraq was so nice now it is trash i hope for you pakistan wont end up like iraq

well, what do you expect when you have a gangsta like Zirdari in charge? But then again, ordinary Pakistanis blame the US for most of the problems their country is facing. Many of these (the rise of fundamentalism, the flood of weapons and drugs, large numbers of Afghans settling in the country, the corruption in the military) are believed to have started when Pakistan was used by the US in its proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That war won, the US abandoned Pakistan (and also Afghanistan), and later subjected it to punitive sanctions and embargoes, thereby accelerating the country’s economic decline. Then came the Bush-Cheney “war on terror”, and Pakistanis saw their government and military bullied and bribed into joining up. The operations the military was pushed into carrying out in the tribal areas created a serious security problem through the rise of the Pakistani Taliban, who not only fought the army in the border areas but also carried out terrorist bombings and attacks in cities inside the country.

Iraq? well I dont know Allah's plans has for the entire middle East but all I know Islam's survival does not depend on those parts of the world. Its sad but that's the reality

[WertyNtont]

Stop listening to and watching bbc and CNN.

I dont have to listen to the western media to understand my geo-politics

[NowFloabDow]

Well lets see...this is supposedly a country with 180 million Muslim inhabitants (advantage) But its economy is in dire straits; outside assistance alone prevents the country from going bankrupt. There is a vast disparity in affluence and standard of living between a small upper class and the rest of the population.

Ordinary Pakitani's face great hardship in their daily lives because of the high costs of basic essentials, rampant inflation, power and water shortages, and a deficit of law and order. Governance is mostly dysfunctional; corruption is massive and all pervasive; the bureaucracy is paralysed due to constant political meddling.

More? the political system is in disarray with state institutions and functionaries at loggerheads, while politicians line their own pockets and undermine each other. In addition to these systemic problems the country has to deal with two insurgencies (in its northern and southern tribal areas) plus terrorist attacks occurring frequently in its cities. Making things worse, underlying all this are the ticking time bombs of rapid population growth, a shrinking food supply base, a high proportion of young men with no prospect of gainful work, and increasing urbanization, mostly in the form of huge slums in and around cities.

The current situation is further aggravated by a critical disconnect between the government led by GANGSTA (Zirdari) and the vast majority of the people, especially as regards the USA. The government of President Zardari depends on the US for financial and other aid and is willing to align its policies fully with the US’s requirements, especially in support of the war in Afghanistan. The military also seeks assistance in funding and equipment from the US, and has gone along with US needs to a certain extent. However, the bulk of the people have a very different attitude towards the US ....now tell me if I'm wrong but I would even call it a Failed ISLAMIC State that depends on kuffar's for its survival

Pakistan is not a failed state, even though some of its institutions have declined in capacity, while others never worked well from the start. Few would disagree that Pakistan has numerous problems.

But, Pakistan's political and civilian institutions lack capacity and competence. While the military takes the blame for this, civilian institutions always legitimize the coups. The Pakistani Supreme Court validates the coup and the dictators' orders and even take an oath to support him. Those jurists who uphold their commitment to the Constitution are booted out and replaced with compliant judicial lackeys. The military leader invariably assembles a "King's Party," by co-opting the most self-serving politicians who put personal power over principle. Finally, they are elected in flawed contests which produces a weak parliament which rubberstamps the diktats of the military leader.

Following a showdown between the Supreme Court and then President and General Pervez Musharraf over the dubious privatization of state assets at below-market prices to favored individuals and the court's insistence that the government produce "missing persons" captured or detained in the war on terror, the Supreme Court is no longer supine and has become an activist institution. Citizens are nonplussed. They want a competent court that understands its place within the balance of power.

Moreover, after decades of supporting Islamist militants in Afghanistan and India, Pakistan now faces a serious domestic threat from some elements of their erstwhile proxies. In past years, Pakistan had a mixed track record in confronting the Pakistan Taliban (Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan), which the public overwhelmingly opposed until April 2009.

So, Pakistan faces severe challenges. But Pakistan has also made important strides which are not captured by this index.

First, Pakistan has taken the challenge of defeating the Pakistani Taliban seriously. The excesses of the militants in Swat, their refusal to honor a controversial peace deal, a video revealing their beating a young woman and their subsequent public rejections of the Constitution and democracy hardened public opinion toward them. The public's resistance to military operations decreased, and support for the various peace deals declined. Pakistan's Army and Frontier Corps are taking up the fight and appear to have their citizenry with them.

Unfortunately, the media tends to conflate all militants under the unhelpful rubric of "the Taliban": the "Afghan Taliban," "Pakistani Taliban," or the misnamed "Punjabi Taliban." Given the propensity to call these and other groups "extremists" or "insurgents," media reports deride the efforts of the Pakistan Army to defeat the TTP.

This is unfair. The Pakistan Army and the Frontier Corps face a formidable foe. The Frontier Corps lacks basic equipment and training, including battlefield first aid. If they are injured, they often bleed out before they can get to a medical facility. Their lack of battlefield medical evacuation, smart artillery, and close air support makes their battle against the militants all the more sobering. Previous reports about Frontier Corps defection and even collaboration with the Afghan Taliban appear to be increasingly less relevant.

Second, though it has a long way to go, Pakistan has made enormous investments in its internal security apparatus. The Pakistani Army now understands the need for competent police forces as well as an increasingly competent Frontier Corps as key elements in the "holding" phase after clearing militants of an area. The Army knows it can't sit in places like Swat indefinitely.

Third, Pakistan continues to make strides with decreasing fertility and expanding educational opportunities. Although state-run institutions such as the public schools are a disaster, affordable private schools are spreading throughout Pakistan.

Fourth, Pakistan continues to build its infrastructure. Pakistan is increasingly connected with improved roads. That said, Pakistan does face enormous electricity shortages due to Musharraf's failure to make a single investment in this sector during his 10-year tenure.

Fifth, while the specter of A.Q. Khan's nuclear black market -- and his ties to the state -- haunt Pakistan, and while Pakistan has long conducted asymmetric warfare under its nuclear umbrella, Pakistan has made significant strides in securing its nuclear arsenal through the establishment of the National Command Authority and the Strategic Plans Directorate. It should be remembered that the U.S. Air Force "lost" several nuclear warheads for some 36 hours in August 2007. (The air chief was among some 70 people who were punished.) If the United States can have such a lapse after decades of investing in nuclear-security protocols, Pakistan's relatively nascent institutions may not be foolproof.

Finally, throughout the 1990s, no democratically elected government served out its term, with the opposition colluding the military to prorogue the parliament and call fresh elections. In fact, the first parliament to serve out its complete term was that elected in the problematic 2002 elections. The election of 2008, despite a difficult start with voter registration and manipulation of electoral rules, was reasonably fair and peaceful, despite Taliban threats to disrupt the process. That election saw the peaceful and democratic transfer of power which brought President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani into office.

Despite the problems with President Zardari, who is widely viewed as corrupt, an important shift has taken place politically. Perhaps under Army pressure, Zardari began relinquishing the sweeping presidential powers he inherited from Musharraf. In April 2010, Zardari signed the 18th Amendment which returned Pakistan to a parliamentary democracy more in line with its 1973 Constitution, which remains the lodestone of democratic legitimacy in Pakistan. This is the first time in recent history when a president "willingly" ceded power to a prime minister.

In short, the Failed States Index is clearly only one side of the die. While sitting at a computer crunching numbers, even with expert input as the index apparently uses, the larger story is missed. Pakistan has its problems and enormous challenges lay ahead, but it is far from a failed or even failing state.

[QWNPdpr5]

Orya Maqbool Jaan,besides taking part in morning cooking shows with ladies, has been actively babbling about this "the Wali predicts and i quote" since long now.His stories have lost its flavor except for some superstitious baralvish guys who are ready to buy anything in the name of "the Wali predicts and i quote". By the way , here is the clean shaved MA english "Wali" , mentioned in the column , who made this prediction > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LTq...eature=related

[QWNPdpr5]

Whether the conspiracy theories of the cliche known as "Wali" will destroy Pakistan or not , the abundance of superstitious minded buyers of "Wali says and i quote" will destroy Pakistan.

[WertyNtont]

Pakistan is not a failed state, even though some of its institutions have declined in capacity, while others never worked well from the start. Few would disagree that Pakistan has numerous problems.

But, Pakistan's political and civilian institutions lack capacity and competence. While the military takes the blame for this, civilian institutions always legitimize the coups. The Pakistani Supreme Court validates the coup and the dictators' orders and even take an oath to support him. Those jurists who uphold their commitment to the Constitution are booted out and replaced with compliant judicial lackeys. The military leader invariably assembles a "King's Party," by co-opting the most self-serving politicians who put personal power over principle. Finally, they are elected in flawed contests which produces a weak parliament which rubberstamps the diktats of the military leader.

Following a showdown between the Supreme Court and then President and General Pervez Musharraf over the dubious privatization of state assets at below-market prices to favored individuals and the court's insistence that the government produce "missing persons" captured or detained in the war on terror, the Supreme Court is no longer supine and has become an activist institution. Citizens are nonplussed. They want a competent court that understands its place within the balance of power.

Moreover, after decades of supporting Islamist militants in Afghanistan and India, Pakistan now faces a serious domestic threat from some elements of their erstwhile proxies. In past years, Pakistan had a mixed track record in confronting the Pakistan Taliban (Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan), which the public overwhelmingly opposed until April 2009.

So, Pakistan faces severe challenges. But Pakistan has also made important strides which are not captured by this index.

First, Pakistan has taken the challenge of defeating the Pakistani Taliban seriously. The excesses of the militants in Swat, their refusal to honor a controversial peace deal, a video revealing their beating a young woman and their subsequent public rejections of the Constitution and democracy hardened public opinion toward them. The public's resistance to military operations decreased, and support for the various peace deals declined. Pakistan's Army and Frontier Corps are taking up the fight and appear to have their citizenry with them.

Unfortunately, the media tends to conflate all militants under the unhelpful rubric of "the Taliban": the "Afghan Taliban," "Pakistani Taliban," or the misnamed "Punjabi Taliban." Given the propensity to call these and other groups "extremists" or "insurgents," media reports deride the efforts of the Pakistan Army to defeat the TTP.

This is unfair. The Pakistan Army and the Frontier Corps face a formidable foe. The Frontier Corps lacks basic equipment and training, including battlefield first aid. If they are injured, they often bleed out before they can get to a medical facility. Their lack of battlefield medical evacuation, smart artillery, and close air support makes their battle against the militants all the more sobering. Previous reports about Frontier Corps defection and even collaboration with the Afghan Taliban appear to be increasingly less relevant.

Second, though it has a long way to go, Pakistan has made enormous investments in its internal security apparatus. The Pakistani Army now understands the need for competent police forces as well as an increasingly competent Frontier Corps as key elements in the "holding" phase after clearing militants of an area. The Army knows it can't sit in places like Swat indefinitely.

Third, Pakistan continues to make strides with decreasing fertility and expanding educational opportunities. Although state-run institutions such as the public schools are a disaster, affordable private schools are spreading throughout Pakistan.

Fourth, Pakistan continues to build its infrastructure. Pakistan is increasingly connected with improved roads. That said, Pakistan does face enormous electricity shortages due to Musharraf's failure to make a single investment in this sector during his 10-year tenure.

Fifth, while the specter of A.Q. Khan's nuclear black market -- and his ties to the state -- haunt Pakistan, and while Pakistan has long conducted asymmetric warfare under its nuclear umbrella, Pakistan has made significant strides in securing its nuclear arsenal through the establishment of the National Command Authority and the Strategic Plans Directorate. It should be remembered that the U.S. Air Force "lost" several nuclear warheads for some 36 hours in August 2007. (The air chief was among some 70 people who were punished.) If the United States can have such a lapse after decades of investing in nuclear-security protocols, Pakistan's relatively nascent institutions may not be foolproof.

Finally, throughout the 1990s, no democratically elected government served out its term, with the opposition colluding the military to prorogue the parliament and call fresh elections. In fact, the first parliament to serve out its complete term was that elected in the problematic 2002 elections. The election of 2008, despite a difficult start with voter registration and manipulation of electoral rules, was reasonably fair and peaceful, despite Taliban threats to disrupt the process. That election saw the peaceful and democratic transfer of power which brought President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani into office.

Despite the problems with President Zardari, who is widely viewed as corrupt, an important shift has taken place politically. Perhaps under Army pressure, Zardari began relinquishing the sweeping presidential powers he inherited from Musharraf. In April 2010, Zardari signed the 18th Amendment which returned Pakistan to a parliamentary democracy more in line with its 1973 Constitution, which remains the lodestone of democratic legitimacy in Pakistan. This is the first time in recent history when a president "willingly" ceded power to a prime minister.

In short, the Failed States Index is clearly only one side of the die. While sitting at a computer crunching numbers, even with expert input as the index apparently uses, the larger story is missed. Pakistan has its problems and enormous challenges lay ahead, but it is far from a failed or even failing state.

whats your source of this article?

was it the Foreign Policy article or ?

on a flipside

do you despite anything I wrote?

[ZZtop]

Pakistan is a failed state. so anything is inevitable under current atmosphere

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

Dear Brothers & Sisters, Assalaamoalaikum

All Islamic States are failed states, for the very simple reason that the overall muslim community is a failed community due to the absence of Islam.

There are 1.6 billion muslims, but where is Islam?

Where is Islam when we bomb each other in the name of Aqeedah?

Where is Islam when Allah(SWT)'s Commands and the Sunnah of the Holy Messenger(SAW) are not followed?

We are muslims by name. There is no place for Eemaan in the heart.

Floods have devastated millions of muslims in Pakistan. How many rich muslim countries have come forward to pledge assistance to those who have lost everything?

Brotherly yours
farook

[goctorsurger]

Pakistan has the most resources in the world. Dont you see, our leaders come and eat our resources. And this is happening since 1947. Current leaders eat with both hands, still Pakistan's got so much left in its tank. If it would've been any other country, it would've expired by now. Its only a matter of time, we will see , the whole world will see, what pakistan has got to offer to the world and to the deen.

[goctorsurger]

Our young generation is getting prepared inshAllah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqaYF...eature=related
Just an example , These students are from Jamia Sufa. Can defeat any computer in the world.

[Xfxhbcxp]

Throw away all political arguments.
Make Dua for TTP.
Taliban zindabad!!!

[NicolasOL]

Instead of doing a pray u r on putting ur ridiculous thoughts.

How Pakistan is a failed state?

Well, can you please enlighten us on how it is successful

[ringtonesmannq]

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

Dear Brothers & Sisters, Assalaamoalaikum

All Islamic States are failed states, for the very simple reason that the overall muslim community is a failed community due to the absence of Islam.

There are 1.6 billion muslims, but where is Islam?

Where is Islam when we bomb each other in the name of Aqeedah?

Where is Islam when Allah(SWT)'s Commands and the Sunnah of the Holy Messenger(SAW) are not followed?

We are muslims by name. There is no place for Eemaan in the heart.

Floods have devastated millions of muslims in Pakistan. How many rich muslim countries have come forward to pledge assistance to those who have lost everything?

Brotherly yours
farook

aoa,

i read the two arguments by the brothers. your opinion is spot on absolutely!