[allaboutauto.us]

p.s. al kauthar do some good courses i recommend:

http://www.alkauthar.org/schedule.php?ctry=826

I dont see a zakat one coming up but there is a hajj one if our knowledge of hajj is not strong. The zakat course is supposed to be excellent mashAllah, have a look at it via the course drop down box

[Amorsesombabs]

help me raise money for a womens refuge and zakat distribution centre: http://www.justgiving.com/Dawud-Beale
or txt: umma99 x to: 70070 where x is the value of your donation (tip, why not donate a £1 each time you sin?) The best refuge is to get them married

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if brother Dawud can provide a valid email link that would help a lot Inshallah.

[Amorsesombabs]

Daruliftaa.net requested me to form a proper question then send it.

Can you help me brother marco100?

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Daruliftaa.net requested me to form a proper question then send it.

Can you help me brother marco100?

yes sure Maulana Saheb.

I just want to know what is the situation of someone who gives their Zakat for the conditions set out in Shariah but this money is used for purposes like construction etc which are not Zakat-able but Lillah. Where does the person stand with regards to fulfilling their Zakat obligation? Are they excused or are they liable to pay Zakat again?

[Amorsesombabs]

yes sure Maulana Saheb.

I just want to know what is the situation of someone who gives their Zakat for the conditions set out in Shariah but this money is used for purposes like construction etc which are not Zakat-able but Lillah. Where does the person stand with regards to fulfilling their Zakat obligation? Are they excused or are they liable to pay Zakat again?

Let us type a full question with details of the mercy tv thing. Paste it here so that brother dawud doesn't get angry and he can correct it before we send it.

Hows this?

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I just want to know what is the situation of someone who gives their Zakat for the conditions set out in Shariah but this money is used for purposes like construction etc which are not Zakat-able but Lillah. Where does the person stand with regards to fulfilling their Zakat obligation? Are they excused or are they liable to pay Zakat again?

A case in point is the Mercy Mission project for revert muslims in the UK as highlighted by National Zakat Foundation. They say the money for Zakat will be used to help build a shelter for destitute women who have no other source of help. How much of the money will be given directly to the revert women and how much towards construction is not clear. The organisers have maintained according to the brother collecting for this cause on Sunniforum that this is perfectly Zakat-able. It appears outwardly that these organisers are of the La-Madhab/Salafi tendency based on their biographies so their criteria may differ on what is Zakat and what isn't.

Would this be classed as Lillah or Zakat according to Shariah and Hanafi Fiqh, and what is the status of someone who has donated their Zakat to this cause? Do they have to pay again or are they excused?

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I just want to know what is the situation of someone who gives their Zakat for the conditions set out in Shariah but this money is used for purposes like construction etc which are not Zakat-able but Lillah. Where does the person stand with regards to fulfilling their Zakat obligation? Are they excused or are they liable to pay Zakat again?

A case in point is the Mercy Mission project for revert muslims in the UK as highlighted by National Zakat Foundation. They say the money for Zakat will be used to help build a shelter for destitute women who have no other source of help. How much of the money will be given directly to the revert women and how much towards construction is not clear. The organisers have maintained according to the brother collecting for this cause on Sunniforum that this is perfectly Zakat-able. It appears outwardly that these organisers are of the La-Madhab/Salafi tendency based on their biographies so their criteria may differ on what is Zakat and what isn't.

Would this be classed as Lillah or Zakat according to Shariah and Hanafi Fiqh, and what is the status of someone who has donated their Zakat to this cause? Do they have to pay again or are they excused?

Good, can we add a little more to the contructed shelters whether the poor would just come live there or would it be given in ownership?

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is a womens refuge a zakatable project

^^ dawud's words. Okay i'll add these words and send the mail insha"Allah.

[djmassk]

Assalamu alaikum,

Can you include something about the concept of "agency" in the question? How does someone become agent on behalf of someone to receive zakaat and what are the conditions, etc.

[allaboutauto.us]

salaam. please keep the question concise and accurate. Asking "if you gave zakat money to a project that wasnt zakatable should you repay it" is an extremely loaded question. Its like a non muslim asking you "so how often do you beat your wife"?

Lets make our question accurate as we dont want people having suspicions that people may want this fatwa to come out with a negative answer, as such an intention would surely earn teh anger of Allah when your trying to purposefully oppose a project that is simply trying to help the poor, no agenda, nothing to gain personally, the only people who stand to benefit are the poor.

Dont make assumtpions that the project is run by "la madhabis", as I already said, the managing director tawfique choudry encourages us to learn fiqh from deobandis, when i decided to learn hanafi fiqh I was acting upon his advice.

Bro taliban, word the question in a manner that is fair and matches the situation e.g. "is using your zakat money to purchase a building for wayfarers and homless and poor to use to live in a zakatable project if they dont own the building but the building is only used for this purpose"? Thats a lot more accurate.

Be careful akhi as you've now also stated they are "la madhabis" which unfortunately would put people off donating to them even though the project has nothing to do with madhabs and is about providing for teh needy whether they are followers of madhabs or not and also the managing director advocates learning a madhab (I dont know about teh rest of the team as I only learnt from shaikh tawfique choudry so far).

Also I will try to get a vald email address, i informed them about this. please remain patient inshAllah. Jazak Allahu Khair

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salaam. please keep the question concise and accurate. Asking "if you gave zakat money to a project that wasnt zakatable should you repay it" is an extremely loaded question. Its like a non muslim asking you "so how often do you beat your wife"?

Lets make our question accurate as we dont want people having suspicions that people may want this fatwa to come out with a negative answer, as such an intention would surely earn teh anger of Allah when your trying to purposefully oppose a project that is simply trying to help the poor, no agenda, nothing to gain personally, the only people who stand to benefit are the poor.

Dont make assumtpions that the project is run by "la madhabis", as I already said, the managing director tawfique choudry encourages us to learn fiqh from deobandis, when i decided to learn hanafi fiqh I was acting upon his advice.

Bro taliban, word the question in a manner that is fair and matches the situation e.g. "is using your zakat money to purchase a building for wayfarers and homless and poor to use to live in a zakatable project if they dont own the building but the building is only used for this purpose"? Thats a lot more accurate.

Be careful akhi as you've now also stated they are "la madhabis" which unfortunately would put people off donating to them even though the project has nothing to do with madhabs and is about providing for teh needy whether they are followers of madhabs or not and also the managing director advocates learning a madhab (I dont know about teh rest of the team as I only learnt from shaikh tawfique choudry so far).

Also I will try to get a vald email address, i informed them about this. please remain patient inshAllah. Jazak Allahu Khair

Please write a question which you see as best.

[allaboutauto.us]

Please write a question which you see as best.

ws

e.g. "is using your zakat money to purchase a building for wayfarers and homless and poor to use to live in a zakatable project if they dont own the building but the building is only used for this purpose"

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ws

e.g. "is using your zakat money to purchase a building for wayfarers and homless and poor to use to live in a zakatable project if they dont own the building but the building is only used for this purpose"

i'll add this to the main question insha'Allah.

[yPuqQ248]

You could do with defining 'zakatable project' for clarity. When seeking a fatwa on a particular issue, then if one wishes to obtain an absolute clear and conclusive answer if is better to be very clear and explain comprehensively. I would suggest writing down exactly how the zakah is used and whether it comes into ownership of the women who are eligible at any point.

Overall, the project is fine, the women are destitute and therefore qualify, the only unclear aspect is whether they were made owners if the zakah money before it was used for the shelter. When representatives from madaaris in India, Pakistan etc come to the UK and collect zakah/ sadaqah funds fir their organizations, the money is first indirectly transferred to the poor students and then used to pay for their boarding fees. This 'heela' is what makes it permissble to give zakah. The organizations can't take zakah directly as an institute does not qualify to take a zakah directly. This is what the women's shelter need to do too. In the end, they will still get the money but the transfer process is what needs tweaking.

@marco111, generally speaking (not referring to this case at all, but just stating the general ruling) if zakah is paid and the giver later finds out the recipient did not qualify to take zakah, the zakah is not fulfilled and it needs to be given again. If I remember correctly, this ruling is mentioned in Beheshti Zewar.

[allaboutauto.us]

You could do with defining 'zakatable project' for clarity. When seeking a fatwa on a particular issue, then if one wishes to obtain an absolute clear and conclusive answer if is better to be very clear and explain comprehensively. I would suggest writing down exactly how the zakah is used and whether it comes into ownership of the women who are eligible at any point.

Overall, the project is fine, the women are destitute and therefore qualify, the only unclear aspect is whether they were made owners if the zakah money before it was used for the shelter. When representatives from madaaris in India, Pakistan etc come to the UK and collect zakah/ sadaqah funds fir their organizations, the money is first indirectly transferred to the poor students and then used to pay for their boarding fees. This 'heela' is what makes it permissble to give zakah. The organizations can't take zakah directly as an institute does not qualify to take a zakah directly. This is what the women's shelter need to do too. In the end, they will still get the money but the transfer process is what needs tweaking.

@marco111, generally speaking (not referring to this case at all, but just stating the general ruling) if zakah is paid and the giver later finds out the recipient did not qualify to take zakah, the zakah is not fulfilled and it needs to be given again. If I remember correctly, this ruling is mentioned in Beheshti Zewar.

We dont know exactly how they have set the system up yet or what teh rulings are related to it, so what I suggest is, inshAllah i will get a full explanationf rom whaykh tawfique choudry and then inshAllah based on that information you can request a fatwa from a strong hanafi scholar inshAllah. Is everyone ok with that?

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We dont know exactly how they have set the system up yet or what teh rulings are related to it, so what I suggest is, inshAllah i will get a full explanationf rom whaykh tawfique choudry and then inshAllah based on that information you can request a fatwa from a strong hanafi scholar inshAllah. Is everyone ok with that?

We'll get our fatwa for the question written above by brother marco. We can get your fatwa when we get the proper details from you which won't be anytime soon I guess.

Why are you so reluctant to get the fatwa?

[allaboutauto.us]

We'll get our fatwa for the question written above by brother marco. We can get your fatwa when we get the proper details from you which won't be anytime soon I guess.

Why are you so reluctant to get the fatwa?

i believe the fatwa was worded in a way that didnt have good intentions to be honest akhi. if you wish to make a fatwa come out a certain way you can word it to make it come out how you want and it has already been revealed that the brother suspects the organisation of being "la madhabi" so i suspect that sectarian feelings have clouded teh judgement of some brothers rather than just being happy to see yoru sisters safe and warm in a hostel. wallahi when you see some of the cases they are dealing with, if some of you have any heart you will feel guilty for trying to harm this project instead of getting admin to pm me with your details and allowing me some time to get a repsponse from shaikh tawfique before discussing it online.

alhamdulillah that allah didnt give me such sectarianism anymore. i never even used to give to UWT because its deobandi but now im just happy they are feeding my brothers and sisters and happy that they spread islam and dont care about such stupid issues in the grand scheme of things. i guess deobandis ahve got their madhkhalis too

[allaboutauto.us]

"I just want to know what is the situation of someone who gives their Zakat for the conditions set out in Shariah but this money is used for purposes like construction etc which are not Zakat-able but Lillah. Where does the person stand with regards to fulfilling their Zakat obligation? Are they excused or are they liable to pay Zakat again?

A case in point is the Mercy Mission project for revert muslims in the UK as highlighted by National Zakat Foundation. They say the money for Zakat will be used to help build a shelter for destitute women who have no other source of help. How much of the money will be given directly to the revert women and how much towards construction is not clear. The organisers have maintained according to the brother collecting for this cause on Sunniforum that this is perfectly Zakat-able. It appears outwardly that these organisers are of the La-Madhab/Salafi tendency based on their biographies so their criteria may differ on what is Zakat and what isn't. " marco

his mind was altready made up that the project wasnt zakatable before he requested the fatwa and as i said, asking the fatwa this was is like if you want to know if touching someones hand is considered zina and so you ask "is zina haraam"

[allaboutauto.us]

also, this project isnt going to be spreading "wahhabi" ideology or only giving zakat to "wahhabis" so pleaae leave your sectarian feelings in the dustbin where theybelong. having this attitude will only isolate deobandis and salafis from each other and then you'll lose support, they'll lose support, and the two groups become weaker when they are already overshadowed by zionists and anti muslim giant organisations like the mass media. we cant afford to split and oppose each other on petty issues, especially when the suspicions are not even corrcet in this case