[preptarra]

Bismillahirahmaniraheem
Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
Wednesday 7 September 2011 | 9 Shawwaal 1432 AH

Category: Society and Culture

Title: Every year during Ramadhan and Eid, the differences on the moon issue surfaces which brings about enormous problems. Our Ramadhan and Eid get spoiled with the in-fighting. What is your advice?

Fatwa: 19374 from South Africa

Date: Thursday, July 14th 2011

Answer:

Assalāmu `alaikum Warahmatullāhi Wabrakatuh,

The academic opinions of the various Ulama on the moon issue in the U.K are well known. It was expected that such academic contributions would ultimately bear the fruits of making the correct decision.

Non co-operation and acrimony have been the stumbling block in making progress.

In academic issues, the mind must prevail over emotions. Disagreement should be in an agreeable manner.

When academic differences lead to acrimony, that is very un-academic. It becomes very difficult for people of dignity and honour to contribute any further to such a course.

To get caught in the web of acrimony and humiliating ones counterpart is counterproductive and detrimental to ones Imaan.

What was once supposed to be a pure academic issue is now an issue of ones Nafs and ego.

The only seeable solution for the time being is:

· Academic issues should be confined to the Ulama and Muftis who are expected to address these issues within their ranks with decorum and honour.

· The layman is not tasked by Shariah to engage on academic issues. They are ordered to follow their Ulama.

· When the Ulama differ, don’t interfere. Never ever condemn any Alim or humiliate him.

· Simply place your trust in your Alim of trust and abide by his decision.

· There is no point in questioning his decision as you cannot be his judge.

· If anyone, be it your friend or family, places his trust in one Alima nd abides by his decision, then respect his decision. If you care for your roohaniyat of Ramadhan or enjoyment of Eid, you will not confront him on his decision.

This approach will not eradicate the differences but will surely control the differences so that one does not loose the roohaniyat of Ramadhan and enjoyment of Eid in in-fighting.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best,

Muftī Ebrahim Desai

Daruliftaa
35 Candella Rd, Durban, South Africa

www.daruliftaa.net



The Comprehensive Dua

Hazrat Abu Umama (radhiallaho anho) reports that Rasulullah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) made numerous duas but some of us could not remember any of these duas. We said to him: “O Nabi of Allah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam)! You have made immumerable duas but we do not remember any of them.” Rasulullah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) replied: “Should I not show you such a comprehensive dua which includes all these duas? Say:

اَللّٰهُمَّ اِنِّىْ اَسْئَلُكَ مِنْ خَيْرِ مَا سَئَلَكَ مِنْهُ نَبِيُّكَ مُحَمَدٌ صَلَّ اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمْ وَ اَعُوْذُبِكَ مِنْ شَرِّ مَا اسْتَعَاذَ مِنْهُ نَبِيُّكَ مُحَمَدٌصَلَّ اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَاَنْتَ الْمُسْتَعَانُ وَعَلَيْكَ الْبَلَاغُ وَلَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ اِلَّا بِاللهِ

O Allah! I beg of You for all the good that Your Nabi Muhammad (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) asked of You and I seek refuge from all the evil that Your Nabi Muhammad (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) sought refuge from. You alone are the one from whom help is sought. And it is upon You to answer our plea. There is no power to refrain from sins and to perform righteous deeds except from You.

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[Patgaepx]

Great advice, if followed.

Mufti Ebrahim Desai sahib is quoted by some people as having said following Saudi Arabia in moonsighting was an 'open munkar', a statement that was apparently given in public and is now widely publicised. Is this correct, and if so how is that compatible with the above sttement that "Academic issues should be confined to the Ulama and Muftis who are expected to address these issues within their ranks with decorum and honour"??

[luffyplayaz]

Great advice, if followed.

Mufti Ebrahim Desai sahib is quoted by some people as having said following Saudi Arabia in moonsighting was an 'open munkar', a statement that was apparently given in public and is now widely publicised. Is this correct, and if so how is that compatible with the above sttement that "Academic issues should be confined to the Ulama and Muftis who are expected to address these issues within their ranks with decorum and honour"??

correct - google it and you'll find his videos, talks and articles firmly against it. Maybe the OG poster should link those also ASWELL as the recent above article by Mufti sab...

p.s. funny how articles are selectively choosen
pp.s has anyone recorded Mufti sabs programs he gave at his visit last month (Ramdhan) to Croydon?

[cajonnmu]

Bismillahirahmaniraheem
Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
Wednesday 7 September 2011 | 9 Shawwaal 1432 AH

Category: Society and Culture

Title: Every year during Ramadhan and Eid, the differences on the moon issue surfaces which brings about enormous problems. Our Ramadhan and Eid get spoiled with the in-fighting. What is your advice?

Fatwa: 19374 from South Africa

Date: Thursday, July 14th 2011

Answer:

Assalāmu `alaikum Warahmatullāhi Wabrakatuh,

The academic opinions of the various Ulama on the moon issue in the U.K are well known. It was expected that such academic contributions would ultimately bear the fruits of making the correct decision.

Non co-operation and acrimony have been the stumbling block in making progress.

In academic issues, the mind must prevail over emotions. Disagreement should be in an agreeable manner.

When academic differences lead to acrimony, that is very un-academic. It becomes very difficult for people of dignity and honour to contribute any further to such a course.

To get caught in the web of acrimony and humiliating ones counterpart is counterproductive and detrimental to ones Imaan.

What was once supposed to be a pure academic issue is now an issue of ones Nafs and ego.

The only seeable solution for the time being is:

· Academic issues should be confined to the Ulama and Muftis who are expected to address these issues within their ranks with decorum and honour.

· The layman is not tasked by Shariah to engage on academic issues. They are ordered to follow their Ulama.

· When the Ulama differ, don’t interfere. Never ever condemn any Alim or humiliate him.

· Simply place your trust in your Alim of trust and abide by his decision.

· There is no point in questioning his decision as you cannot be his judge.

· If anyone, be it your friend or family, places his trust in one Alima nd abides by his decision, then respect his decision. If you care for your roohaniyat of Ramadhan or enjoyment of Eid, you will not confront him on his decision.

This approach will not eradicate the differences but will surely control the differences so that one does not loose the roohaniyat of Ramadhan and enjoyment of Eid in in-fighting.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best,

Muftī Ebrahim Desai

Daruliftaa
35 Candella Rd, Durban, South Africa

www.daruliftaa.net



The Importance of Du'a - http://idauk.org/publications/leaflet07.html

The Comprehensive Dua

Hazrat Abu Umama (radhiallaho anho) reports that Rasulullah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) made numerous duas but some of us could not remember any of these duas. We said to him: “O Nabi of Allah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam)! You have made immumerable duas but we do not remember any of them.” Rasulullah (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) replied: “Should I not show you such a comprehensive dua which includes all these duas? Say:

اَللّٰهُمَّ اِنِّىْ اَسْئَلُكَ مِنْ خَيْرِ مَا سَئَلَكَ مِنْهُ نَبِيُّكَ مُحَمَدٌ صَلَّ اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمْ وَ اَعُوْذُبِكَ مِنْ شَرِّ مَا اسْتَعَاذَ مِنْهُ نَبِيُّكَ مُحَمَدٌصَلَّ اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَاَنْتَ الْمُسْتَعَانُ وَعَلَيْكَ الْبَلَاغُ وَلَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ اِلَّا بِاللهِ

O Allah! I beg of You for all the good that Your Nabi Muhammad (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) asked of You and I seek refuge from all the evil that Your Nabi Muhammad (sallellaho alaihe wasallam) sought refuge from. You alone are the one from whom help is sought. And it is upon You to answer our plea. There is no power to refrain from sins and to perform righteous deeds except from You.

(I humbly request all The readers to try and memorise this blessed dua)

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Click The Following Link:

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Shaykh (Mufti) Ebraheem Desai (HA) is DEAD SET & DEAD AGAINST following Saudia as verified and confirmed after this Fatwa.

[Elissetecausa]

p.s. funny how articles are selectively choosen
pp.s has anyone recorded Mufti sabs programs he gave at his visit last month (Ramdhan) to Croydon?

it should be uploaded on daruliftaa.net

[Twendypreency]

wOw! im so happy to see that ImamGhazzaali moved (changed his location) lol!

But yeah ml ebrahim desai is totally against following saudi arabia.

[ArrichMer]

Now i know why Mufti Saheb left UK to come and spend the last days of Ramadhaan back home... Mufti Saheb didnt want to get caught up in this fitna..

[Crazykz]

Mufti Saheb was making Itikaaf during the last ten days in the new masjid in Durban, Musjid-us-Saaliheen. His majaalis of islaah and zikr are on the daruliftaa.net site.

@ daywalker- Mufti Saheb's videos?

[Patgaepx]

Shaykh (Mufti) Ebraheem Desai (HA) is DEAD SET & DEAD AGAINST following Saudia as verified and confirmed after this Fatwa.

Jazakallah Colonel sahib, other posts seem to confirm that too. If Mufti sahib is so DEAD SET & DEAD AGAINST against Saudi ruyat - and we have to respect his Ilmi opinion - and he's openly calling the other side wrong and questioning their worship, I'm just wondering how that can be reconciled with his quite admirable advice quoted here? Practice what you preach?

[cajonnmu]

All,

I met our beloved and respected Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA), the night before Ramadhan and spend some precious time with him.

I am thinking about writing something about him but in my assessment he is:

1. A beautiful human being
2. Humble
3. Very approachable

So in my opinion his Fatwa should be read in context that he wants to avoid Fitnah.

But no mistakes about Saudi moon sighting (for UK):

• Saudi Ulamah don't want UK to follow Saudi moon sighting
• Pakistani Ulamah don't want UK to follow Saudi moon sighting
• Indian Ulamah don't want UK to follow Saudi moon sighting
• South African Ulamah don't want UK to follow Saudi moon sighting
• Majority of British Ulamah (inluding Mufti Shabbir (of Bury) & Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem dhorat Saheb (HA) are not in favour of Saudi moon sighting.

I challenge any Mureed of Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) to make his personal views public on the issue of following Saudia for UK. The reason he is following Saudia is because in Leicester almost all (bar one) Deobandi Masjid is following Saudia and I have personally spoken to Mufti "ABC" of IDA and they believe that in Leicester they have a "local Ijmaa" on the issue and they have no problems clicking over and switching over when the Ulamah discuss the matter. They CLEARLY AND CATEGORICALY know the error and they have NEVER FORCED any Mureeds to follow Saudia. The Mureeds of Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) are wrong if they are getting any other impression.

Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadhul-Haq's also has reservations about Saudia so the Mureeds of all of these Shuyukh need to STOP spreading dis-information!

Neither Darul-uloom Bury nor anybody associated with them is as fanatical as Hizbul-Ulama and Hizb are wrong to keep giving the false impression that Darul-uloom Bury are with them this was clarified by Mufti Javed right here on SF.

P.S: I personally disagree with IDA's "local Ijmaa" idea but thats a different matter.

[Seiblybiozy]

That is the view of Deobandies, what are the views of Barelwis on this issue ? And what about the non-asian (arab "salafis", "ikhwani",... who are also a major part of the muslim society), do they follow saudia and are they any contact between all these groups to try to have a united 'eid or they don't even look at each other ?

[preptarra]

I challenge any Mureed of Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) to make his personal views public on the issue of following Saudia for UK. The reason he is following Saudia is because in Leicester almost all (bar one) Deobandi Masjid is following Saudia and I have personally spoken to Mufti "ABC" of IDA and they believe that in Leicester they have a "local Ijmaa" on the issue and they have no problems clicking over and switching over when the Ulamah discuss the matter. They CLEARLY AND CATEGORICALY know the error and they have NEVER FORCED any Mureeds to follow Saudia. The Mureeds of Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) are wrong if they are getting any other impression.

Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadhul-Haq's also has reservations about Saudia so the Mureeds of all of these Shuyukh need to STOP spreading dis-information!

P.S: I personally disagree with IDA's "local Ijmaa" idea but thats a different matter.

The only seeable solution for the time being is:

· Academic issues should be confined to the Ulama and Muftis who are expected to address these issues within their ranks with decorum and honour.

· The layman is not tasked by Shariah to engage on academic issues. They are ordered to follow their Ulama.

· When the Ulama differ, don’t interfere. Never ever condemn any Alim or humiliate him.

· Simply place your trust in your Alim of trust and abide by his decision.

· There is no point in questioning his decision as you cannot be his judge.

· If anyone, be it your friend or family, places his trust in one Alima nd abides by his decision, then respect his decision. If you care for your roohaniyat of Ramadhan or enjoyment of Eid, you will not confront him on his decision.

http://www.daruliftaa.net/

[eskimosik]

:

But no mistakes about Saudi moon sighting (for UK):

[LIST]
[*] Saudi Ulamah don't want UK to follow Saudi moon sighting

i like this!


Also...As a matter of fact saudi never insisted/insist any country to follow them except its own country.

It is better...if people follow their own country for the confirmation of cresecent sighting to avoid the chaos and mess!

[somozasayre]

[IMG][/IMG]

This is an excerpt from Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahib's transcribed commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, entitled In'aam al-Baari (Vol 5, pg 489). Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Sahib's opinion is that one cannot categorically say that Saudi Arabia's moonsighting is wrong or label it misguided. Similarly, he has given concession for countries where it is extremely difficult to sight the moon to follow Saudi Arabia.

[cajonnmu]

[IMG][/IMG]

This is an excerpt from Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahib's transcribed commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, entitled In'aam al-Baari (Vol 5, pg 489). Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Sahib's opinion is that one cannot categorically say that Saudi Arabia's moonsighting is wrong or label it misguided. Similarly, he has given concession for countries where it is extremely difficult to sight the moon to follow Saudi Arabia.

dear Respected Mufti Saheb (HA)

In the same article Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) clearly and unambiguously pointing out error in Saudi moon sighting and also saying that Saudia have created the problem

http://deeneislam.com/ur/horiz/halat...cle.php?CID=74

[somozasayre]

dear Respected Mufti Saheb (HA)

In the same article Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) clearly and unambiguously pointing out error in Saudi moon sighting and also saying that Saudia have created the problem

http://deeneislam.com/ur/horiz/halat...cle.php?CID=74

Yes, I know that. My point is that whatever the case is, to categorically declare the worship of those who follow Saudi Arabia as null and invalid, as is the case in some circles, needs to be avoided. Also, some go to the extent of saying that this is a battle between "haqq and baatil", clearly an overstatement. As Mufti Taqi Sahib, it is a mujtahad fih issue.

[cajonnmu]

Yes, I know that. My point is that whatever the case is, to categorically declare the worship of those who follow Saudi Arabia as null and invalid, as is the case in some circles, needs to be avoided. Also, some go to the extent of saying that this is a battle between "haqq and baatil", clearly an overstatement. As Mufti Taqi Sahib, it is a mujtahad fih issue.

Asslamo Allaikum Respected (Mufti) Saheb,

We are laymen and don't count in your view but a simple request is to present the full picture.

1. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) has clearly spent a paragraph and a half denouncing Saudia and its moonsighting and clearly highlighted problems.
2. He then says if someone "is to take" this sighting and issued the judgment which you have quoted
3. Nowhere in the whole piece is he either recommending "Saudia" as first option or promoting it, in fact, the opposite as it is pretty clear from his earlier clear denouncements.

In Fiqh its like:

a) Don't do this, its not good
b) But if it happens then this is the Hukum

There are plenty of Muftees whom you can discuss the matter about the legal discussions. My humble request to you (as a Mufti) is to present the full picture as most people here can't read Urdu.



P.S: This whole piece by our Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) has been translated on SF, so people can use search and read the whole thing in full, Insha'Allah.

[MedicineForUs]

the reasons for following saudi is not even for fiqha issues as you well know colonel sahib. Yes,read that again folks, the reason why saudi is followed in the UK is not based on fiqha issues. Im not going to say what. but the people in the know on this forum know what im talking about. Im not going to say more than that or i'll get into trouble.

If say the brelwis were using such methods as certain deobandis are on following saudi, deobandis would rightly have a go at them. Unfortunately,when deobandis adopt the same method, we are all supposed to remain silent,not question and follow.

[cajonnmu]

the reasons for following saudi is not even for fiqha issues as you well know colonel sahib. Yes,read that again folks, the reason why saudi is followed in the UK is not based on fiqha issues. Im not going to say what. but the people in the know on this forum know what im talking about. Im not going to say more than that or i'll get into trouble.

I have YET to come across a single Scholar of any repute in UK (including Mufti Shabbir Saheb of Darul-uloom Bury) & Dr (Shaykh) Suhaib Hasan (Ahl-e-Hadeeth) who doesn't believe that Saudi moonsighting is free from error.

Shaykh (Mufti) Javed Saheb (HA) is concentrating on the 2nd part i.e. what happens if this "faulty sighting is followed", he is off course right.

The approach of Wifaqul-Ulamah is to skip the discussion of “what happens if...” and concentrate on following & reviving the Sunnah.

Both Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA) are SOLIDLY behind the idea to promote local sighting and Wifaq strategy.

In American parlance "a positive campaign" is needed.

Mother Teresa was asked, “Why did you join Anti-war coalition, a good Christian is not Anti anything”
She said, “Show me a Pro-peace movement and I will join it!”

Wifaqul-Ulama are as "Pro-Sunnah" as you can get.

Hizbul-Ulamah rely on an opinion (in Fiqh) but don't promote "Sunnah of Moon Sighing" as rigourously as they should. For 1400+ years of Islam Ulamah and laymen have both attempted to sight the moon.

Its a simple argument when evaluate the grounding and future direction. Calculations will ALWAYS agree with accurate sighting and that’s a default.

The heart of the argument needs to be looked at instead of "Pro-Saudi vs Anti-Saudi".

[MedicineForUs]

I have YET to come across a single Scholar of any repute in UK (including Mufti Shabbir Saheb of Darul-uloom Bury) & Dr (Shaykh) Suhaib Hasan (Ahl-e-Hadeeth) who doesn't believe that Saudi moonsighting is free from error.

Shaykh (Mufti) Javed Saheb (HA) is concentrating on the 2nd part i.e. what happens if this "faulty sighting is followed", he is off course right.

The approach of Wifaqul-Ulamah is to skip the discussion of “what happens if...” and concentrate on following & reviving the Sunnah.

Both Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA) are SOLIDLY behind the idea to promote local sighting and Wifaq strategy.

but we both know why it won't be implemented..............

fiqha,ha,who needs it when you got_________________