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Old 09-08-2011, 06:20 PM   #1
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Salam dear brothers & sisters

Im considering to apply for jobs in UAE. I recently came to known that the job I do in London I would have been paid triple the money without tax in Dubai! I have confidence that I will get a job there because I got all the necessary qualifications and experience. It is also a good way to move to a Islamic country.

However, I'm not sure if it is permissible according to Islamic law for me to travel to a foreign country to work & live there.

Any advice would be highly appreciated!

JzaKALLAH
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:23 PM   #2
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I may add that am not considering to leave my job out of pure greed, but we are going through a major restructure at the moment so my job might be on the line!!
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:26 PM   #3
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I may add that am not considering to leave my job out of pure greed, but we are going through a major restructure at the moment so my job might be on the line!!
Bismillah
Walaikum assalam WW
huh when it comes to Islam, isnt Dubai a worst place. Anyway I think it is not allowed for women to travel alone like that unless accompanied by a mahram. I hope some scholar will reply.
wassalam
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:43 PM   #4
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Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "A woman should not travel for more than three days except with a Dhi-Mahram (i.e. a male with whom she cannot marry at all, e.g. her brother, father, grandfather, etc.) or her own husband.)"
(sahih Bukhari)
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:46 PM   #5
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Salam dear brothers & sisters

Im considering to apply for jobs in UAE. I recently came to known that the job I do in London I would have been paid triple the money without tax in Dubai! I have confidence that I will get a job there because I got all the necessary qualifications and experience. It is also a good way to move to a Islamic country.

However, I'm not sure if it is permissible according to Islamic law for me to travel to a foreign country to work & live there.

Any advice would be highly appreciated!

JzaKALLAH
I have extensive experience on UAE and Dubai in particular (work etc)
I dont see a problem with you migrating (after all Prophet himself migrated) so you should be alright

I remember sometimes back The Economist Magazine placed Dubai and Abu Dhabi in the top twenty most expensive cities in the world to live and Mercer HR Consulting placed them at at a similar level respectively. The cost of living in Dubai has increased rapidly, and the same has occurred in Abu Dhabi more recently. There used to a point in time where Dubai was a lot more expensive to live than in Abu Dhabi, but that is probably different and what you could say about Abu Dhabi is that it is less easy to live as cheap as you potentially could do in Dubai, predominatly due to location and where you can live. That said, living in Dubai is now out in "new Dubai" where all the sky high towers require you to have a car to drive into town. So, it's less easy to live without a car, for example, in Dubai.


1. Do you have a family

2. How much your housing allowance is (if you have 1)

3. Where you work.(industry)

4. Where you manage to get your children into school ( if you have them)

Anyway if you have more questions plse fire away and will try to help as much as I can................
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:57 PM   #6
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Bismillah
Walaikum assalam WW
huh when it comes to Islam, isnt Dubai a worst place. Anyway I think it is not allowed for women to travel alone like that unless accompanied by a mahram. I hope some scholar will reply.
wassalam
I know Sis but it is a Muslim country in the end. There are good and bad people in every country.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:21 PM   #7
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Travelling alone is not allowed, living alone is allowed IF you are Safe!
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:29 PM   #8
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Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "A woman should not travel for more than three days except with a Dhi-Mahram (i.e. a male with whom she cannot marry at all, e.g. her brother, father, grandfather, etc.) or her own husband.)"
(sahih Bukhari)
Ok I have to give up my hopes of a high fly job in UAE I suppose I heard something similar but I never knew there is an authentic Hadith.

JzaKALLAH for your input

Ps: let's say for arguments sake I do go ahead and get a job there, would the money I earn be haram since my stay in the country is against sharia law?
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:31 PM   #9
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Travelling alone is not allowed, living alone is allowed IF you are Safe!
So technically I could travel with my brother there and then live there on my own?
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:37 PM   #10
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So technically I could travel with my brother there and then live there on my own?
Practically Yes
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:54 PM   #11
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Practically Yes
Oh wow that's great news! Sort of a backdoor you opened there for me! Hmmmm got me thinking now..Thanks brother.

Next hurdle is how to break down the news to my family...
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:55 PM   #12
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Oh wow that's great news! Sort of a backdoor you opened there for me! Hmmmm got me thinking now..Thanks brother.

Next hurdle is how to break down the news to my family...


Get the job and then tell them.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:56 PM   #13
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Oh wow that's great news! Sort of a backdoor you opened there for me! Hmmmm got me thinking now..Thanks brother.

Next hurdle is how to break down the news to my family...
It's the front door not the backdoor.

The backdoor would be that you can travel without a mahram. But that door is closed.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:32 PM   #14
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Salam alikum,
I think this thread is not about travelling but about moving to muslim and possibly islamic country. I thonk if our sister has chance to emigrate to place where she can practise better, she should do it. The travelling as such can be solved.

“Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination!”
[al-Nisa’ 4:97].
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:56 PM   #15
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Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "A woman should not travel for more than three days except with a Dhi-Mahram (i.e. a male with whom she cannot marry at all, e.g. her brother, father, grandfather, etc.) or her own husband.)"
(sahih Bukhari)
the hadeeth says three days. She wil only be travelling less than a day. She will not be considered as a traveller once she takes residence in dubai. In hanafi fiqh you wouldnt be considered a traveller if you went to dubai to live for a year, and you wouldnt take the hukms that apply to a traveller.

And Allah knows best
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:22 PM   #16
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the hadeeth says three days. She wil only be travelling less than a day. She will not be considered as a traveller once she takes residence in dubai. In hanafi fiqh you wouldnt be considered a traveller if you went to dubai to live for a year, and you wouldnt take the hukms that apply to a traveller.

And Allah knows best
So does that mean I'm permitted to move to Dubai without mehrem?
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:31 PM   #17
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So does that mean I'm permitted to move to Dubai without mehrem?
Sister its better to ask a scholar, as far as i know almost all of the members in this forum are not fit to answer your question. We all are laymen. (Maulana Abu Hajira is a mufti). Perhaps you can pose your query in http://askimam.org/ . you will get the answer.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:34 PM   #18
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So does that mean I'm permitted to move to Dubai without mehrem?
whether its permissable or not im not qualified to say. Be careful that some people on this forum are heavily sufi biased and woudlnt want you to move to a middle eastern country so it may bias what they tell you.

If someone tells you its haraam they need to bring the evidence, not the other way around.

So far one hadeeth was brought to you and that mentioned travelling for more than three days and your only going to be travelling for about 8 hours.

Dont let people make haraam for you what Allah didnt make haraam for you as this is the behaviour of the mushrikeen
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:38 PM   #19
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So does that mean I'm permitted to move to Dubai without mehrem?
iska warren walaalo?

I advise you to move. I wont say its halal as to make something halal or haraam is a heavy burden, but in light of the situation here in the UK Id say move and never look back inshAllah. Take a brother with you on the plane if possible inshAllah but either way, europe is no place for a muslim, we all need to be leavingin ASAP inshALlah
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:39 PM   #20
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Brother Dawud,
Don't be so suspicious. lol. Perhaps you can lighten the tone of the last post a bit.
I know you said the it generally, but that 'could' include me. It feels bad when i am accused of something i have not even thought about.
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