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**Nabeqiv** · 07-17-2007, 01:40 PM

As Salaamu Alaikum,
I just found a website: jaanj.com. They are Muslim owned and sell Non-Silk ties. I already bought a couple of ties from them and they are really classy. They might seem a bit expensive, but MashaAllah it is totally worth it. They even have a special tie that has the Sandal of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the Back. These are the best ties I have ever owned. You can't even tell they are not made from silk.
Ma'a Salaama

**gundas** · 07-17-2007, 06:10 PM

I dont think it goes with my tshirt

**Sheelldaw** · 07-17-2007, 07:08 PM

may allah drown you with his mercy, lol.

Up to now iv had to stick to the polyester ranges at next and zara!

**southernplayer99** · 07-17-2007, 07:17 PM

silk ties are haram?
silk clothes are haram i know, but isn't the tie just part of the shirt.
i thought silk was allowed in small amounts?

**irrascaft** · 07-17-2007, 07:26 PM

Most of the these ties are whack design (in my opinion) and overpriced.
I'll stick to the cheap range of Polyester ones from Debenhams and Burtons, jazakallah.

**Sheelldaw** · 07-17-2007, 07:33 PM

My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that:

in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed.

**southernplayer99** · 07-17-2007, 07:50 PM

My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that:

in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed.

jazakallah.

ties are rubbish anyway! long live iranian fashion!

**autoloanexpert** · 07-17-2007, 09:42 PM

My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that:

in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed.

Silk in essence is not haram. Women are allowed to wear silk, the Prophet

gave gifts of garments interwoven with silk to some of the companions

. Therefore, as you have noted the fuqaha have declared that garments that are partly silk are allowed for men. This has been extended to include silk ties for as Sahih-Baba has pointed out, ties are considered to be a small part of a larger item of clothing.

with peace

**MinisuipGaicai** · 07-17-2007, 10:40 PM

Silk in essence is not haram. Women are allowed to wear silk, the Prophet gave gifts of garments interwoven with silk to some of the companions . Therefore, as you have noted the fuqaha have declared that garments that are partly silk are allowed for men. This has been extended to include silk ties for as Sahih-Baba has pointed out, ties are considered to be a small part of a larger item of clothing.

with peace

a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90

**gniewkoit** · 07-17-2007, 10:47 PM

a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90

Indeed.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90

...If ties are from real silk (=that which is produced from the thread of silkworms), then they are not permitted. Now, while the Hanafi school permits a certain amount of silk in clothes, this is only if it is not entirely or overwhelmingly made from silk, such as silk piping or embroidery. Entire items, such as silk ties, are not permitted. [Naf` al-Mufti wa’l Sa’il of Imam Abd al-Hayy al-Lakhnawi]

Wassalam,

Faraz Rabbani

Nice website though about the non-silk satin ties. I'd shop there if I had to start wearing ties. Very nice looking quality.

**autoloanexpert** · 07-17-2007, 10:56 PM

a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90

Thnks for this. Being a Maliki I accept that a small piece of silk is overlooked, a tie is a small piece of silk, a part of a greater whole (shirt & tie & dress suit), and thus halal. Of course it is possible to argue that a tie is an article of clothing on its own the converse is also possible, this is a matter of semantics.

with peace

**gniewkoit** · 07-17-2007, 11:03 PM

Thnks for this. Being a Maliki I accept that a small piece of silk is overlooked, a tie is a small piece of silk, a part of a greater whole (shirt & tie & dress suit), and thus halal. Of course it is possible to argue that a tie is an article of clothing on its own the converse is also possible, this is a matter of semantics.

with peace

Do Malikis really consider a tie to be part of the shirt (and/or suit) and not a separate article of clothing? That's interesting. Can you or someone else direct me to a resource that explains the Maliki rationale for permitting pure silk ties for men?

**southernplayer99** · 07-17-2007, 11:19 PM

salam

the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following

"Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible."
[footnote 2192]

wallahu a'lam

**gniewkoit** · 07-17-2007, 11:20 PM

salam

the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following

"Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible."
[footnote 2192]

wallahu a'lam

**Hodstcopter** · 07-18-2007, 10:34 AM

may allah drown you with his mercy, lol.

ameen!

this is the greatest news ever alhamdulillah!

**HornyMolly** · 07-18-2007, 03:52 PM

Whats the biggie with tie.. to me they dont even look good

**Sheelldaw** · 07-19-2007, 07:12 AM

^LMAO. I need to wear a tie at work i dont normally wear one otherwise.

**Hodstcopter** · 07-24-2007, 05:19 AM

I bought one of the ties

this one: http://www.jaanj.com/ties/diamond-grid-tie/

to be exact(in teh red/olive color) and it is SO NICE!!!! it looks REALLY REALLY nice and the quality is good as well.

so in case anyone is a little iffy about ordering online...thought i should give my feedback.

**Obsententicab** · 07-24-2007, 05:41 AM

jazakallah.

ties are rubbish anyway! long live iranian fashion!

yeah, I agree

IMHO, a tie goes around the neck, so it's like having sucidal tendencies

mmmm, I hate ties!

**Futfwrca** · 09-08-2011, 07:06 AM

salam

the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following

"Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible."
[footnote 2192]

wallahu a'lam

You can find this fatwa by Shaykh Abdullah calling it haram since a tie bigger than a finger size:

As for badges of silk on ones clothing, there is agreement that if
the size of the silk badge is equal to the size (in width) of a
finger of the average human being then it is permissible. But they
differ with regard to more than that up to 4 fingers. Some say that
from 1 to 4 is permissible. Others say that from 2 to 4 is disliked.
As for more than 4 fingers width, they all agree that it is
forbidden to wear.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...n-wearing-silk

So the question is: what is the source in the Maliki works saying it is allowed for small items?

07-17-2007, 01:40 PM	#1
Nabeqiv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	I just found Halal Ties As Salaamu Alaikum, I just found a website: jaanj.com. They are Muslim owned and sell Non-Silk ties. I already bought a couple of ties from them and they are really classy. They might seem a bit expensive, but MashaAllah it is totally worth it. They even have a special tie that has the Sandal of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the Back. These are the best ties I have ever owned. You can't even tell they are not made from silk. Ma'a Salaama Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 06:10 PM	#2
gundas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	I dont think it goes with my tshirt Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 07:08 PM	#3
Sheelldaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	may allah drown you with his mercy, lol. Up to now iv had to stick to the polyester ranges at next and zara! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 07:17 PM	#4
southernplayer99 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	silk ties are haram? silk clothes are haram i know, but isn't the tie just part of the shirt. i thought silk was allowed in small amounts? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 07:26 PM	#5
irrascaft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Most of the these ties are whack design (in my opinion) and overpriced. I'll stick to the cheap range of Polyester ones from Debenhams and Burtons, jazakallah. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 07:33 PM	#6
Sheelldaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that: in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 07:50 PM	#7
southernplayer99 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that: in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed. jazakallah. ties are rubbish anyway! long live iranian fashion! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 09:42 PM	#8
autoloanexpert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	My brother who is an alim masha allah advised me that: in essence silk is haram. That the prophet sallahu alihe wassalam allowed some of the sahabah radiallahuan use to wear it as treatment for a an ailment. Generally feature strips and design features can be mubah. Also if the silk content is less then half and interwoven with the other fibers it can also be allowed. Silk in essence is not haram. Women are allowed to wear silk, the Prophet gave gifts of garments interwoven with silk to some of the companions . Therefore, as you have noted the fuqaha have declared that garments that are partly silk are allowed for men. This has been extended to include silk ties for as Sahih-Baba has pointed out, ties are considered to be a small part of a larger item of clothing. with peace Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 10:40 PM	#9
MinisuipGaicai Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	Silk in essence is not haram. Women are allowed to wear silk, the Prophet gave gifts of garments interwoven with silk to some of the companions . Therefore, as you have noted the fuqaha have declared that garments that are partly silk are allowed for men. This has been extended to include silk ties for as Sahih-Baba has pointed out, ties are considered to be a small part of a larger item of clothing. with peace a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 10:47 PM	#10
gniewkoit Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90 Indeed. http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90 ...If ties are from real silk (=that which is produced from the thread of silkworms), then they are not permitted. Now, while the Hanafi school permits a certain amount of silk in clothes, this is only if it is not entirely or overwhelmingly made from silk, such as silk piping or embroidery. Entire items, such as silk ties, are not permitted. [Naf` al-Mufti wa’l Sa’il of Imam Abd al-Hayy al-Lakhnawi] Wassalam, Faraz Rabbani Nice website though about the non-silk satin ties. I'd shop there if I had to start wearing ties. Very nice looking quality. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 10:56 PM	#11
autoloanexpert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	a tie still considered an item and it's not a part of a shirt. There's no problem for the ladies, but for the guys: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...11959&CATE=377 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=97&CATE=90 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=6350&CATE=137 http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=87&CATE=90 Thnks for this. Being a Maliki I accept that a small piece of silk is overlooked, a tie is a small piece of silk, a part of a greater whole (shirt & tie & dress suit), and thus halal. Of course it is possible to argue that a tie is an article of clothing on its own the converse is also possible, this is a matter of semantics. with peace Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 11:03 PM	#12
gniewkoit Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	Thnks for this. Being a Maliki I accept that a small piece of silk is overlooked, a tie is a small piece of silk, a part of a greater whole (shirt & tie & dress suit), and thus halal. Of course it is possible to argue that a tie is an article of clothing on its own the converse is also possible, this is a matter of semantics. with peace Do Malikis really consider a tie to be part of the shirt (and/or suit) and not a separate article of clothing? That's interesting. Can you or someone else direct me to a resource that explains the Maliki rationale for permitting pure silk ties for men? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 11:19 PM	#13
southernplayer99 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	salam the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following "Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible." [footnote 2192] wallahu a'lam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-17-2007, 11:20 PM	#14
gniewkoit Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	salam the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following "Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible." [footnote 2192] wallahu a'lam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Hodstcopter Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	may allah drown you with his mercy, lol. ameen! this is the greatest news ever alhamdulillah! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-18-2007, 03:52 PM	#16
HornyMolly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 661 Senior Member	Whats the biggie with tie.. to me they dont even look good Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-19-2007, 07:12 AM	#17
Sheelldaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	^LMAO. I need to wear a tie at work i dont normally wear one otherwise. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-24-2007, 05:19 AM	#18
Hodstcopter Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	I bought one of the ties this one: http://www.jaanj.com/ties/diamond-grid-tie/ to be exact(in teh red/olive color) and it is SO NICE!!!! it looks REALLY REALLY nice and the quality is good as well. so in case anyone is a little iffy about ordering online...thought i should give my feedback. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-24-2007, 05:41 AM	#19
Obsententicab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	jazakallah. ties are rubbish anyway! long live iranian fashion! yeah, I agree IMHO, a tie goes around the neck, so it's like having sucidal tendencies mmmm, I hate ties! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-08-2011, 07:06 AM	#20
Futfwrca Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 424 Senior Member	salam the guider helper maliki fiqh manual, written by abu qanit based on the classical text THE HELPING GUIDE of ibn 'ashir, says the following "Large articles of clothing (shirt/jacket/coat) that are part silk and part some other material are also unlawful to wear for men. As for small articles of clothing (TIE/button/handkerchief) which is made of silk, it is permissible." [footnote 2192] wallahu a'lam You can find this fatwa by Shaykh Abdullah calling it haram since a tie bigger than a finger size: As for badges of silk on ones clothing, there is agreement that if the size of the silk badge is equal to the size (in width) of a finger of the average human being then it is permissible. But they differ with regard to more than that up to 4 fingers. Some say that from 1 to 4 is permissible. Others say that from 2 to 4 is disliked. As for more than 4 fingers width, they all agree that it is forbidden to wear. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...n-wearing-silk So the question is: what is the source in the Maliki works saying it is allowed for small items? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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