[illerlytoindy]

is it haram to download movies from the internet or software evan though its under copyright laws for exampl downloading a copy of windows 7 because i dont want to pay 200 american dollers for a copy of windows 7

[Espacamlisa]

Yeah I have a same question, pls any one guide us the right path!

[illerlytoindy]

Yeah I have a same question, pls any one guide us the right path!

i know some people say its like steeling

[nvmrfgopyy]

Nobody likes to answer this question cos everyone does it. Just like eating in moderation.

[GeorgeEckland]

I think not breaking the laws of the land you are in, is only the "Islamic" thing to do, as long as they arent laws against Islam.

Also, if im not mistaken, if you use a copy of Windows 7, you wont be able to download any updates, which means that your computer will be wide open for viruses. Unless if they made a copy of those too lol I dont know.

[DoroKickcrofe]

Well the argument of laws is a separate argument.

But besides that, it's not shariah-wise considered stealing according to what i know, the idea that they are losing hypothetical money that you're gaining in the case of sales, howver that money doesn't exist, so then telling a guy to go buy from someone else would be stealing too.

You aren't stealing if you download it from some else, even if you DID copy it you'd be creating copies, not stealing the original.

[PlayboyAtWork]

i personally feel that intellectual property type things are completely bogus.

[illerlytoindy]

I think not breaking the laws of the land you are in, is only the "Islamic" thing to do, as long as they arent laws against Islam.

Also, if im not mistaken, if you use a copy of Windows 7, you wont be able to download any updates, which means that your computer will be wide open for viruses. Unless if they made a copy of those too lol I dont know.

i know abot compurs i built mien and i have a activator and i have had it for a wile now and no virus and if one realy happens i know how to remove them so yeah

[nanyaHgoc]

is it haram to download movies from the internet or software evan though its under copyright laws for exampl downloading a copy of windows 7 because i dont want to pay 200 american dollers for a copy of windows 7

I know people will disagree with me, but personally I don't see how it is haram. "Pirating" is in reality simply receiving data files (video, audio, etc) from other people. Other people who have the media give it to you. If "pirating" is haram, then having your friend lend you a movie, CD, book, or video game to you would be equally haram. I fail to see how you can own an image, a sound, or a thought. Allah knows best.

[w3QHxwNb]

Movies and most of the games are HARAM even if you buy them with your own Halal money

[MaugleeRobins]

I know people will disagree with me, but personally I don't see how it is haram. "Pirating" is in reality simply receiving data files (video, audio, etc) from other people. Other people who have the media give it to you. If "pirating" is haram, then having your friend lend you a movie, CD, book, or video game to you would be equally haram. I fail to see how you can own an image, a sound, or a thought. Allah knows best.

Asslam o alaikum.

YEAH..... I agree....

[ebBPxIai]

Still, the best option is to look for an open source alternative. I stopped using Windows for more than 5 years now and mainly use Linux (and other open source OS or applications - BSD's and others). I do not watch movies anyway (not gonna give my money to the zionist media engine in Hollywood) so don't know much about that. Nowadays if I would like to watch a film or drama, I would prefer to watch a Korean or Japanese film/drama.

[IdomeoreTew]

i think we should leave this to the MUFTIS. why dont one of us go and ask a mufti instead of beating around the bush and getting no where!

[illerlytoindy]

Movies and most of the games are HARAM even if you buy them with your own Halal money

i know i just used them as an example

[pprropeciaaa]

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...c48d5d0fa6fd63

Money Matters
Title
Is it permissible to use pirated software?

Question
A) 95% of the (computer) software in Pakistan is 'pirated', is it permissible to use 'cracked' (engineer the program to make it usable without PAYING for it). for example an orignal Windows Installation CD costs about 100$ (6,000 Pak Rupees approx.) and a pirated cd would cost only 25 Pak rupees (not even 0.5$) b) does is make any difference if the software company belongs to a Hurbi Kaafir (e.g. Israel) c) If someone uses a 'cracked' (stolen) software downloaded from the internet to record audio cds and then selling them. will the income form these cds HALAAL? d) what does Islam say about 'copyright'? (specially in DEENI BOOKS,CDs)

Answer

The practise of pirating registered software and copyrights is not permissible.

The sale of such software is not permissible. The proceeds of such sales will also not be permissible.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[pprropeciaaa]

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...c48d5d0fa6fd63

Money Matters
Title
Is it permissible to use pirated software?

Question
A) 95% of the (computer) software in Pakistan is 'pirated', is it permissible to use 'cracked' (engineer the program to make it usable without PAYING for it). for example an orignal Windows Installation CD costs about 100$ (6,000 Pak Rupees approx.) and a pirated cd would cost only 25 Pak rupees (not even 0.5$) b) does is make any difference if the software company belongs to a Hurbi Kaafir (e.g. Israel) c) If someone uses a 'cracked' (stolen) software downloaded from the internet to record audio cds and then selling them. will the income form these cds HALAAL? d) what does Islam say about 'copyright'? (specially in DEENI BOOKS,CDs)

Answer

The practise of pirating registered software and copyrights is not permissible.

The sale of such software is not permissible. The proceeds of such sales will also not be permissible.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Opinion_counts]

I will present my shaikhs stance on it. but in gist is, that it is haram to impinge upon another's rizq. there have been shuyookhs who have written books and used the publication as means of rizq. This has allowed them to teach for free ( which will align with a lot of people here saying that deen should be free). If you went out and mass copied those books, you will be causing darr (harm) to them.

So the question comes down to software ( lets leave movies etc aside). If the company makes money from providing services to consumers and business ( this is how a lot of open source companies work). They give the actual software for free. However if the selling of the software is the main means of revenue, then I feel one should not impinge upon their means of rizq.

e.g. brother wanted me to give him a copy of the quran app that I had, so he can use it for his hifz. If I gave it to him, would I not be cutting into the sales of the small muslim software joint. Now that he had to buy it.


The article is below and it even mentions that one can copy it for personal use (backup copy) if he has bought the original.

http://www.shadhiliteachings.com/tar...t=article&id=6


Use linux, you will build better skills than windoze.
If you have to use windows, buy it with a computer or get an oem version if you can assemble your own desktop.

[w3QHxwNb]

I never understand one thing. When piracy is such a big threat to Microsoft (for example) and they know it, why don't they release cheaper versions for us 3rd world country people?

They won't loose their Rizq then.

[Opinion_counts]

I dont think it is a threat to their rizq, its an annoying cold that wont go away. most companies are run by middling middle managers. Their job is to secure their job. Playing devils advocate I think they dont release cheaper copies is because then people will buy legit copies overseas and bring them back in us/eu/aus.

[illerlytoindy]

I never understand one thing. When piracy is such a big threat to Microsoft (for example) and they know it, why don't they release cheaper versions for us 3rd world country people?

They won't loose their Rizq then.

its called windows 7 starter but you cant buy that when you buy for example a cheep computer with no dvd player and such it comes with it but it is no that great