[Arrecteve]

Assalamu alaykum

I was thinking about how sectarian some people are, some people will slander an organisation if the people invovled are "la madhabis" or follow athari aqeedah, neitehr fo whcih should be considered kufr akbar by the deobandis.

Let me ask you, do you have teh luxury of being so picky when this is happening in your own back yard:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/girl-gang-m...120352253.html


A local lad in a milkshake place told me he used to be muslim. He's half pakistani half english. I asked him why he left islam. He said his dad left him when he was younger and he was angry so he left islam.

Why, out of everyone, do you focus your time trying to get practising muslims from one sect to another sect taht are both inside teh fold of islam when you have this happening? Why dont you focus your efforts on bettering the ummah, and wish well to anyone else who is equally striving to do so whetehr they follow madhabs or not. Shoudl salafis start their own aid organisation or should they support ummah welfare trust? WHat a waste of time if salafis went through all taht just because UWT is deobandi.

If they are qadiyanis or shias then its understandable but I dont understand why deobandis and salafis waste breath fighting rather than cooperating like our scholars have aggreed in teh pledge.

I advise everyone including myself to focus on the serious issues and leave the debates to the scholars inshAllah

[w3QHxwNb]

The brother has already cleared up why he said la madhabis.

I'm really astonished at the attitude you have adopted since the Zakat question has been brought up.

So instead of building a shelter from Zakat money, why don't you marry 3 helpless widows and give them a honorable life in your home rather than stuff them in a shelter?

[Arrecteve]

I wouldnt be able to afford to provide for 4 wives akhi, big resopnsibility.

Maybe its not good to take advantage fo vulnerable sisters, like marry me or sleep rough. Perhaps they would like someone to stay without having to get married in order to benefit from it.

Bro, this article is general, my point is to leave sectarianism. Have your specific view points by all means, but dont let it be a barrier in cooperating in good when we are in such a bad situation.

the mild salafis and the deobandis shoudl work together inshAllah in all common good. Leave out teh madkhalis and teh barelwis as theya re both too extreme and stuck in their ways but defo deobandis and milder salafis like yasser qadhi etc can work together inshAllah no problem and work together t better teh muslims.

My mum is kafir so I arranged for her to go to her local deobandi masjid and its the only masjid in yeovil. Some people would ratehr their mum is kafir than go to a deobandi/salaf masjid. If you feel that way, know that your heart is diseased and plagued with sectariansm.

I will discuss the zakat situation in the other thread, not here

[w3QHxwNb]

I wouldnt be able to afford to provide for 4 wives akhi, big resopnsibility.

You don't trust Allah to feed your 4 wives?

Who is going to feed them in the shelters?

Maybe its not good to take advantage fo vulnerable sisters, like marry me or sleep rough. Perhaps they would like someone to stay without having to get married in order to benefit from it. It's only how your mind conceives it. So every marriage has a factor of taking advantage of vulnerable sisters. Why did you marry in the first place? Every person in the world is vulnerable.

Perhaps is just assumption. Every woman in the world wants to marry and fulfill her natural needs other than Eating and sleeping! The need a father for their children.

Bro, this article is general, my point is to leave sectarianism. Have your specific view points by all means, but dont let it be a barrier in cooperating in good when we are in such a bad situation. This is stemmed out from that thread.

the mild salafis and the deobandis shoudl work together inshAllah in all common good. Leave out teh madkhalis and teh barelwis as theya re both too extreme and stuck in their ways but defo deobandis and milder salafis like yasser qadhi etc can work together inshAllah no problem and work together t better teh muslims. Theres nothing as milder salafis. If you call yourself a mild salafi then I don't think whats a strong salafi. The way you are going on with the zakat issue. The question was no where misleading but your point was that it is misleading and it will be made haram!

My mum is kafir so I arranged for her to go to her local deobandi masjid and its the only masjid in yeovil. Some people would ratehr their mum is kafir than go to a deobandi/salaf masjid. If you feel that way, know that your heart is diseased and plagued with sectariansm. Masha'Allah good.

I will discuss the zakat situation in the other thread, not here Stop discussing and bring us a clear question.

[Leaters]

You're right. I saw a documentary during Ramadhan where the BBC infilitrated a law firm in Dagenham which performs Car insurance fraud. They do pretend car crashes and claim money for pretend injuries. And you can guess where this is going. The woman leading that company, muslim. The guy who does the car crashes, muslim... and he has a beard.
These are the examples our muslim brothers and sisters set in the community. I genuinely do not even know how to reach out to such people. How do I talk to a muslim with a girlfriend for example? I can't just tell him its HARAM. I need to use Akhlaq, I need to know ways to help him.
These are very important issues and it would be good to discuss them.

[Arrecteve]

Who is going to feed them in the shelters?

The national zakat foundation will inshAllah t'ala.


This is going to be my last post regardign contraversial hard hearted discussions, may Allah subhanahu wa ta'a help me stick to that, ameen:

To be a student of knowledge, you need the arabic language and to memorise the qur'an just to BEGIN your path as a student of knowledge. I am currently memorising and learning the poem tahfatul atfal, a tajweed poem which enables me to read teh qur'an with a strong foundation in tajweed inshAllah. Our teacher has cancelled the class as none of us memorised the full 23 lines we were told to memorise. How is it I have so much time for bickering and yet I didnt manage to memorise a mere 23 lines of poetry. I also didnt memorise one new surah in ramadhan. SubhanAllah.

So as far as Im concerned, the contraversial discussions are over. I ask for your forgiveness for my short comings, and I ask Allah to forgive me for my sins and yoru sins.

InshAllah I will post back when I have a response from shaikh tawfique and a valid email address for anyone to contact. Aside from taht, I will not be present in those ocnversations so discuss as you see fit inshAllah.

The reality is, we spend our time on these pointless discussions because of our nafs, not because we believe it is getting us closer to Allah. Every second that ticks away is another second lost of your time in this dunya, every second that ticks by you beccome 1 second closer to your appointed time when yo leave this world and what have we prepared? I personally am fearful that I meet Allah in my current state. So inshAllah I will try to devote my time to beneficial things and leave this nonsense.

Im not leaving the forum, but inshAllah Ill just be invovled in things which are beneficial to my akhira inshAllah.

Jazakum Allahu Khair

[YmolafBp]

My God, what is wrong with Muslims in Europe. You almost never hear of things like that happening in America.

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

My God, what is wrong with Muslims in Europe. You almost never hear of things like that happening in America.

lol ameen. I am always confused when I read these debates, alhamdulillah when I came on this forum it was the first time I heard of these disputes.

[YmolafBp]

Its called politicising relegion. I am yet to find any organisation that is not involved in such politics be in USA or Europe. Perhaps in USA it is more subtle but it exist never the less. With all our negative trait, we have more institute grounded in orthodoxy then USA. In US, people opt for more of entertainment culture of deen.

I am averse to American or forigne based scholar comming to UK and telling us how to do things. Often these people don't understand the culture or the atmosphere and make things worse. With due respect The likes of Shaikh Tawfiq Chaudhury, Yassir Qadhi, Haza Yusuf would do well focus there energy in their country of residents. None is saying not to invite them but they should not be given platform constantly to tell us what is and what is not.

Allahualam

No doubt. I think the scholarship in the UK is at a much higher level than it is in America. Also, the Muslim community is much more established. That's why I am so surprised. I hardly ever hear of Muslims (or people with Muslim names) committing horrific crimes like that in the US (I'm referring to rapists, pimps, gangsters, etc). Of course they do bad things, but not that bad.