[Catieliecutty]

http://www.yahyabirt.com/?p=99

I see every other thread smashing salafis and ahlal hadeeth and it doesnt seem to be in keeping with the pledge, especially this point:

"- Urge Muslims in the West, especially our youth, to leave off unproductive and divisive discussions of involved theological issues that are the proper domain of trained specialists, and we especially discourage participation in those internet chat rooms, campus discussion groups, and other forums that only serve to create ill-will among many Muslims, while fostering a divisive, sectarian spirit;"

for example, take a look at al maghribs forums:

http://forums.almaghrib.org/


do you see a single attack or such like?

[asharbiq]

Just because you don't see such attacks on their forum () doesn't mean it's non existent in other forums, or a very big part of reality on the ground - in real life.

Whenever they get exposed for making incorrect statements or asked to substantiate proofs for which they fold under pressure, we get similar responses: 'Why can't we all respect one another?' and 'We need to stop looking at the faults of one another'.

Well, we were doing that from the beginning until you made such statements!

I've noticed this behavior from them.

Either man up when you make claims or keep the peace by staying quiet.

[Catieliecutty]

the pledge says that you will avoid personal attacks and simply clarify what you believe to be true. i been on al maghrib courses and they refuse to mention names of people of groups and just teach the haqh.

dont people respect the scholars on the pledge? Dont you trust their judgement when they signed this?

[Affiltavajefe]

the pledge says that you will avoid personal attacks and simply clarify what you believe to be true. i been on al maghrib courses and they refuse to mention names of people of groups and just teach the haqh.

dont people respect the scholars on the pledge? Dont you trust their judgement when they signed this?

Listen to Muhanmad al Shareefs almagrib course on usul ul fiqh and count the number of times he has digs at hanafis. At one point someone even asked him why he kept picking on the Ahnaaf. He later says 'you can help guide those people who raise their hands (in supplication) after salaah' and gives advice and how to do so.

I've heard worse regarding Yasir Qadhis almagrib seminars on aqeedah although I've personally not heard his particular talks myself.

[onlyfun_biziness]

a lot of salafis blasted the shaykhs that signed that pledge like yasir qadhi etc for uniting with 'ahlul bidah'

but a lot of salafi shaykhs on that pledge are associated with al-maghrib al kawthar....before al-maghrib the stance of people like yasir qadhi was very different towards other groups, i think part of it maybe because they want to appeal to a wider audience so they became a bit relaxed in their views, not only to madhabis but just in general they became quite 'modern', wallahu alam

not that i think this gives the people on this forum the right to bash salafis all the time, i think a lot of it is generalising, there are different types of salafis, not all of them are anti hanafi, its mostly ignorant indo/pak ahle hadith and i think when people on the forum bash salafis they have those specific madkhali type salafis in mind

[exchpaypalgold]

If you haven't figured it out already, Sunniforum is in reality now Sensationalist Forum.

[DonnyKong]

the pledge says that you will avoid personal attacks and simply clarify what you believe to be true. i been on al maghrib courses and they refuse to mention names of people of groups and just teach the haqh.

dont people respect the scholars on the pledge? Dont you trust their judgement when they signed this?

That's rich. Wasn't Yasir Qadhi the one who accused Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki of shirk?

It's all good. In 50 years' time, nobody will even remember the names of these al maghrib people.

[Catieliecutty]

That's rich. Wasn't Yasir Qadhi the one who accused Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki of shirk?

It's all good. In 50 years' time, nobody will even remember the names of these al maghrib people.

if this is true and he said it after the agreement then i agree he breached the contract. before making this claim you should provide evidence though, link to article or speech where he said it.

everyone dont misunderstand, the agreement doesnt mean they cant disagree with hanafis or asharis or teach views opposing them, it means they should make it impersonal, leave the discussions to the scholars, not mentions groups or individuals e.g. deobandis or shaykh riyadul haqh, should do in a good manner, and cooperate in good, like UWT is a deobandi organisation but shaikh haitham supports it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3GiLFJ3LG4

as do most salafis. they dont say astagfirullah i aint giving nothing to deobandi charities ya'ni

dont you guys think reaching an understanding and mutual respect and cooperation is important? arent these respectable sufi scholars on the list too?

[onlyfun_biziness]

Shaykh Haytham shouldn't really be put into the same categories as people like yasir qadhi in my opinion, mashaAllah hes on a different level

[Catieliecutty]

Shaykh Haytham shouldn't really be put into the same categories as people like yasir qadhi in my opinion, mashaAllah hes on a different level

im glad you like and respect him, he's my teacher in usool ul fiqh, alhamdulillah he's a great teacher, very knowledgable and does good work for the ummah. I might post some of his work up for people to benefit from inshAllah. I dont really involve myself to much in shaikh yasir qadhis dawah anyways as he's mainly based in america and i dont attend al maghrib seminars apart from the one i attended, i was just raising the point that ifeel it would be beneficial if we lived up to the spirit of this agreement inshAllah, at least between mild salafis and deobandis inshAllah.

Jazak Allahu Khair for speaking well of my shaikh and being just and respectful