Why do we follow the moon sighting in Saudi rather than a national moon sighting? - Page 2 - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**neonasafluni** · 08-30-2011, 06:05 PM

Tell him not to be confused. Take it easy. Follow his local Masjid.

yep...for a new revert that is the most sensible/safe thing to do

**Catieliecutty** · 08-30-2011, 06:13 PM

my point is the fitnah this issue causes. a solution is needed drastically inshallah. he's celebrating it today, as the new muslim project is celebrating it today

**EarnestKS** · 08-30-2011, 06:23 PM

Saudi has to do something. Saudi ulama have already said that other countries should follow local sighting and not to follow Saudi - yet people choose what they want to listen to. Once the moon is announced, everyone says سمعنا واطعنا but tell them about the fatawa from the Saudi ulama, everyone says سمعنا وعصينا.

**squeerisott** · 08-30-2011, 09:55 PM

Which moon do you follow for Hajj?

assalamoualaikoum

when I 'm in my country I follow the local sighting for the month of zul hijjah. When I went for Hajd I'd no other option than following Saudi because I was located there even if their sightings may be faulty.

On a different note can you please explain they sighted the moon yesterday when it was around 12hours old and the moon set was 4 mins after sunset? Remember I don't have any problem with global sighting but we should be certain that the sighting is correct.

Ayaz

**Adimos** · 08-30-2011, 10:29 PM

assalamoualaikoum

when I 'm in my country I follow the local sighting for the month of zul hijjah. When I went for Hajd I'd no other option than following Saudi because I was located there even if their sightings may be faulty.

On a different note can you please explain they sighted the moon yesterday when it was around 12hours old and the moon set was 4 mins after sunset? Remember I don't have any problem with global sighting but we should be certain that the sighting is correct.

Ayaz

the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol.

**Zmniubqr** · 08-30-2011, 10:49 PM

the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol.

how do you know it wasn't correct?

**nannysuetle** · 08-30-2011, 10:52 PM

If the moon is sighted anywhere in the world, it is considered acceptable for the rest of the world to welcome a new month based on this sighting. That is according to many Hanafi scholars. There are also some scholars that hold the opinion that the moon has to be sighted locally.

The other reason people do not follow Saudi is that they (including myself) believe that Saudis are not trustworthy in their sighting claims. Or they have some eyes that are able to have selective kashf and see tomorrow's moon today!

salaams

would you kindly elaborate this point please

**nannysuetle** · 08-30-2011, 10:59 PM

Sorry I don't have any common sense, I only have special sense.

Can you tell me by using your common sense, how does a 2 hour difference create a difference of a WHOLE DAY for Ramadhan and Eid?

Bro,you are killing him with a tough question even though the answer should be simple

I also wanna know about this two hr thing

**mr.memo** · 08-30-2011, 11:06 PM

the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol.

Totally off topic, but nice to have another sister from South Africa

**Zmniubqr** · 08-30-2011, 11:07 PM

Bro,you are killing him with a tough question even though the answer should be simple

I also wanna know about this two hr thing

Ask him.

**orerviche** · 08-30-2011, 11:16 PM

Ask him.

Maulana Taliban, This 2 eid thing should be good news for you, since it gives opportunity to give your wives there right

. 2 Wives, 2 Eids no problem.

Now if you can extend the uncertainty for another couple of days...

**nannysuetle** · 08-30-2011, 11:21 PM

Ask him.

you know he wont come back...and probably will tell you sheikh so and so said....

nothing concrete (literary citations) to back up the argument

**Adimos** · 08-31-2011, 02:18 AM

how do you know it wasn't correct?

from what lots of ppl (including our sholars) say!!! also it was quite impossible to sight... so how do you "sight" a moon thats not there? lol. if i was in saudi i think i wud have made a qadha for my 30th fast!

**EarnestKS** · 08-31-2011, 03:23 AM

salaams

would you kindly elaborate this point please

The Saudis happen to "see" the moon when it is impossible to be seen more often than not. Surely there are some karamaat involved, right?

**Catieliecutty** · 08-31-2011, 03:29 AM

the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol.

by this reasoning the moon will never be visible because the country before it would have already seen it

**Zmniubqr** · 08-31-2011, 03:35 AM

from what lots of ppl (including our sholars) say!!! also it was quite impossible to sight... so how do you "sight" a moon thats not there? lol. if i was in saudi i think i wud have made a qadha for my 30th fast!

Very sad!

You should know that we're following Chile

**EarnestKS** · 08-31-2011, 03:37 AM

Moulana Taliban I thought the Chile confirmation came in after Fajr had come and gone in Saudi?

**Zmniubqr** · 08-31-2011, 03:39 AM

Moulana Taliban I thought the Chile confirmation came in after Fajr had come and gone in Saudi?

Ahem...

No, it came last night ages before Fajr.

**Catieliecutty** · 08-31-2011, 03:45 AM

before having this discussion i recommend people get a basic understanding of how the sun moves accross the world and how the moon becomes visible, nothing difficult just a basic understanding because i can see from many posts here taht people dont really get it too well no offence

**Catieliecutty** · 08-31-2011, 03:46 AM

p.s. the issue of moon sighting is a difference of oppinion and shouldnt be the source of so much fitnah as the ulema of the past disagreed on fiqhi issues related to moonsighting

08-30-2011, 06:05 PM	#21
neonasafluni Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 365 Senior Member	Tell him not to be confused. Take it easy. Follow his local Masjid. yep...for a new revert that is the most sensible/safe thing to do Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 06:13 PM	#22
Catieliecutty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	my point is the fitnah this issue causes. a solution is needed drastically inshallah. he's celebrating it today, as the new muslim project is celebrating it today Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 06:23 PM	#23
EarnestKS Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	Saudi has to do something. Saudi ulama have already said that other countries should follow local sighting and not to follow Saudi - yet people choose what they want to listen to. Once the moon is announced, everyone says سمعنا واطعنا but tell them about the fatawa from the Saudi ulama, everyone says سمعنا وعصينا. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 09:55 PM	#24
squeerisott Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	Which moon do you follow for Hajj? assalamoualaikoum when I 'm in my country I follow the local sighting for the month of zul hijjah. When I went for Hajd I'd no other option than following Saudi because I was located there even if their sightings may be faulty. On a different note can you please explain they sighted the moon yesterday when it was around 12hours old and the moon set was 4 mins after sunset? Remember I don't have any problem with global sighting but we should be certain that the sighting is correct. Ayaz Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 10:29 PM	#25
Adimos Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	assalamoualaikoum when I 'm in my country I follow the local sighting for the month of zul hijjah. When I went for Hajd I'd no other option than following Saudi because I was located there even if their sightings may be faulty. On a different note can you please explain they sighted the moon yesterday when it was around 12hours old and the moon set was 4 mins after sunset? Remember I don't have any problem with global sighting but we should be certain that the sighting is correct. Ayaz the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 10:49 PM	#26
Zmniubqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol. how do you know it wasn't correct? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 10:52 PM	#27
nannysuetle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	If the moon is sighted anywhere in the world, it is considered acceptable for the rest of the world to welcome a new month based on this sighting. That is according to many Hanafi scholars. There are also some scholars that hold the opinion that the moon has to be sighted locally. The other reason people do not follow Saudi is that they (including myself) believe that Saudis are not trustworthy in their sighting claims. Or they have some eyes that are able to have selective kashf and see tomorrow's moon today! salaams would you kindly elaborate this point please Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 10:59 PM	#28
nannysuetle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	Sorry I don't have any common sense, I only have special sense. Can you tell me by using your common sense, how does a 2 hour difference create a difference of a WHOLE DAY for Ramadhan and Eid? Bro,you are killing him with a tough question even though the answer should be simple I also wanna know about this two hr thing Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 11:06 PM	#29
mr.memo Join Date Oct 2005 Age 39 Posts 370 Senior Member	the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol. Totally off topic, but nice to have another sister from South Africa Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 11:07 PM	#30
Zmniubqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Bro,you are killing him with a tough question even though the answer should be simple I also wanna know about this two hr thing Ask him. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 11:16 PM	#31
orerviche Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 359 Senior Member	Ask him. Maulana Taliban, This 2 eid thing should be good news for you, since it gives opportunity to give your wives there right . 2 Wives, 2 Eids no problem. Now if you can extend the uncertainty for another couple of days... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2011, 11:21 PM	#32
nannysuetle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	Ask him. you know he wont come back...and probably will tell you sheikh so and so said.... nothing concrete (literary citations) to back up the argument Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 02:18 AM	#33
Adimos Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	how do you know it wasn't correct? from what lots of ppl (including our sholars) say!!! also it was quite impossible to sight... so how do you "sight" a moon thats not there? lol. if i was in saudi i think i wud have made a qadha for my 30th fast! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:23 AM	#34
EarnestKS Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	salaams would you kindly elaborate this point please The Saudis happen to "see" the moon when it is impossible to be seen more often than not. Surely there are some karamaat involved, right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:29 AM	#35
Catieliecutty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	the sighting was'nt correct. if the moon was sighted (with the naked eye) we in S.A wud have sighted b4saudi. lol. by this reasoning the moon will never be visible because the country before it would have already seen it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:35 AM	#36
Zmniubqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	from what lots of ppl (including our sholars) say!!! also it was quite impossible to sight... so how do you "sight" a moon thats not there? lol. if i was in saudi i think i wud have made a qadha for my 30th fast! Very sad! You should know that we're following Chile Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:37 AM	#37
EarnestKS Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	Moulana Taliban I thought the Chile confirmation came in after Fajr had come and gone in Saudi? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:39 AM	#38
Zmniubqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Moulana Taliban I thought the Chile confirmation came in after Fajr had come and gone in Saudi? Ahem... No, it came last night ages before Fajr. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:45 AM	#39
Catieliecutty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	before having this discussion i recommend people get a basic understanding of how the sun moves accross the world and how the moon becomes visible, nothing difficult just a basic understanding because i can see from many posts here taht people dont really get it too well no offence Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-31-2011, 03:46 AM	#40
Catieliecutty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	p.s. the issue of moon sighting is a difference of oppinion and shouldnt be the source of so much fitnah as the ulema of the past disagreed on fiqhi issues related to moonsighting Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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