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Old 08-29-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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I have a though here: If the Ulama believe that there is no
need to publicly refute people/
organizations that are known to hold
deviant/misleading believes/ideas and
are known to be causing corruption/
fitnah, because they are only a few/ minority and there is no need to make it
an issue then the following points: - Why did the Ulama refute the
Qadiyanis? Why where speeches given
and debates held and books
published? Why does it continue up to
this day? Becuase of the Qadiyanis the
Khatme Nabuwwat (SAW) movement was founded. Ulama where made
shaheed. Was all this not necessary?
Surely they where a handful and they
remain a handful so why go to such
great lengths to refute them??
- Why where thinkers/scholars such as Abu A'la Maududi and others refuted
and these books are available widely to
this day? Surely they are a very small
minority, why the need?
- In fact explain why in each era of
Islam the Ulama Haqq went to great lengths to refute the deviants of that
era.
- Also, why did our Ulama have the
need to pen books such as Al-
Muhannad to explain the Aqeedah of
the Deoband Maslak is in accordance to that of Ahlus-Sunnah. Besides Al-
Muhannad what was the need for the
many other books that where written to
clarify issues such as the book my
Shaykh Zakariyya (RA) to answer
objections against his own Fadhail Amal? Why did they make it an issue? Was-salaam
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:56 PM   #2
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MUSLIMS ARE KILLING FELLOW MUSLIMS IN SOMALIA

and what are the Ulamaa doing?

NOTHING OF COURSE...probably staying in their $10, 000 a night Hilton in Makkah at the moment
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:38 PM   #3
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MUSLIMS ARE KILLING FELLOW MUSLIMS IN SOMALIA

and what are the Ulamaa doing?

NOTHING OF COURSE...probably staying in their $10, 000 a night Hilton in Makkah at the moment
Maybe they are preaching and teaching people not to fight? With 1.6 billion Muslims, and complex politics, you cant blame anyone for going to Makkah in Ramadhan! And if you think Ulama are bad, that means the followers are even worse, so we might as well criticize ourselves before casting doubts on scholars who spent their lives learning, and in service of Islam.

The one who are officially and under the name of Islam are collecting money are the Shias, whos scholars (Marji's) became billionairs. They call it Khums and say its obligatory to give it to their scholars and not the poor. An official scam, and by the name of religion.

Qadyanis claim to be Muslim, but are not. So do some groups in the US that say Allah is black. They say the shahada too, but mean Fard Muhammad by Allah, and Elijah Muhammad by Muhammad.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:42 PM   #4
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MUSLIMS ARE KILLING FELLOW MUSLIMS IN SOMALIA

and what are the Ulamaa doing?

NOTHING OF COURSE...probably staying in their $10, 000 a night Hilton in Makkah at the moment
Have you been to Somalia?
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:56 PM   #5
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Maybe they are preaching and teaching people not to fight? With 1.6 billion Muslims, and complex politics, you cant blame anyone for going to Makkah in Ramadhan! And if you think Ulama are bad, that means the followers are even worse, so we might as well criticize ourselves before casting doubts on scholars who spent their lives learning, and in service of Islam.

The one who are officially and under the name of Islam are collecting money are the Shias, whos scholars (Marji's) became billionairs. They call it Khums and say its obligatory to give it to their scholars and not the poor. An official scam, and by the name of religion.

Qadyanis claim to be Muslim, but are not. So do some groups in the US that say Allah is black. They say the shahada too, but mean Fard Muhammad by Allah, and Elijah Muhammad by Muhammad.
wowwww!!!what information do you have from Shia and their Marjis and ways that they spend the Khums.again wow...
of course Saudi is not a shia country , for you to see this spending monies,so...
we proud of our Madhhab and our great Marjis who spend this monies for the developing our religion,for helping the poor people,helping other countries people such as Somalia these days.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:29 PM   #6
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Maybe they are preaching and teaching people not to fight? With 1.6 billion Muslims, and complex politics, you cant blame anyone for going to Makkah in Ramadhan! And if you think Ulama are bad, that means the followers are even worse, so we might as well criticize ourselves before casting doubts on scholars who spent their lives learning, and in service of Islam.

The one who are officially and under the name of Islam are collecting money are the Shias, whos scholars (Marji's) became billionairs. They call it Khums and say its obligatory to give it to their scholars and not the poor. An official scam, and by the name of religion.

Qadyanis claim to be Muslim, but are not. So do some groups in the US that say Allah is black. They say the shahada too, but mean Fard Muhammad by Allah, and Elijah Muhammad by Muhammad.
wowwww!!!what information do you have from Shia and their Marjis and ways that they spend the Khums.again wow...
of course Saudi is not a shia country , for you to see this spending monies,so...
we proud of our Madhhab and our great Marjis who spend this monies for the developing our religion,for helping the poor people,helping other countries people such as Somalia these days.
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:16 PM   #7
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wowwww!!!what information do you have from Shia and their Marjis and ways that they spend the Khums.again wow...
of course Saudi is not a shia country , for you to see this spending monies,so...
we proud of our Madhhab and our great Marjis who spend this monies for the developing our religion,for helping the poor people,helping other countries people such as Somalia these days.
I consider shia laymen victims (many of them at least). Its the ones who wear the turbans who are all about money. Especially the black one, claiming to be from Aal Al Bait to collect money. Where does it say in Shia sources even that Khums should go to the scholars?! If its for the poor, give it to the poor directly, not billionaires saying they'll give it to the poor for you.


Here is Sayyid Ahmad Al Qabanji (Shia sheikh) talking about the four assistants of "Sahib Al Zaman" calling them the four liars, and connects it to Khums. Khums was not in Shia thought in the beginning. The concept developed by time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XcWP...layer_embedded

Here, he talks about Al Kho'e, and the billions that he transfers to London to buy real estate there. Sistani is no different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQk9C...layer_embedded

And here he talks about how the concept of Khums developed in Shia history, and how they went from Zakat to Khums, and the role greed always played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aqLm...layer_embedded

Shiekh Dr Abdulraheem Al Blooshi, a Sunni who was with Khumaini in the beginning before finding out what hes about, also has much to say about this. Money, temporary marriages, and political status, so much motivation there huh.

Especially when you consider the fact that the Marji's dont even memorize Qur'aan. I dont think billionaire Sistani even knows Arabic, and hes the supposedly top "Arab" Marji'. How can someone like that reach the "top"?

Theres much more to be said about this and I dont think the issue is even debatable if one opens his mind and doesnt have his mind blocked because of emotion. This is my opinion. Cant elaborate more as its time for Iftaar.

Id be happy to discuss this later if you'd like, and we can look into Shia books and practices together.

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