[Adimonnna]

Would anyone like to comment on this video and the message this man is giving about the female view of a male?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzU3xjBj8m0

By the way, who is this man?

[Adimonnna]

Bismillah
It is irrelevent what men thinks? Anyway, our dress code is dictated by a set principles and as long it follows this basic guideline, one is free to wear what they want and suitable to local customs. Please read though the guidelines

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post575463

I am asking male & female opinions here. The remarks made by the man in the clips were hilarious. To suggest the women dont find the male face attractive is ridiculous, that all women are interested in is a gentle man is naive. A woman is just as attractive to men as a man is attractive to a woman, the only difference is that men generally act on it more.

[puzobok]

I dont know who it is. However, from a legal perspective (whether one holds the opinion that covering the face is obligatory, or considers it "liked" but not obligatory), its because Allah swt said so. And our attutude is "we hear, and we obey" He is just trying to the best of his ability to explain why to the best of his ability. This reasoning however, is more like pondering and observing, and not attached to the ruling.

In fundementals of fiqh (Usool Al Fiqh), theres two different types of reasons. Theres reasons that are attached to the ruling (called illah), and reasons that are more like explanations but not attached to the ruling. If the reason associated with a ruling is gone, then the ruling may change. For instance, if swimming would cause someone a heart attack due to health problems, then it becomes haram. If he finds a cure, then it becomes halal. Also, the illah behind making drinking "khamr" haram is because it makes you drunk. Therefore, if the same illah (reason) is attached to wine or any other drink, then it is haram also.

However, other reasons we sometimes mention arent associated with the ruling. For example, the Prophet peace be upon him forbade us from eating any carnivorous animal which has canine teeth. Many give reasons for this, stating is not good for your health and can cause this or that. However, if it were 100% healthy, with no filth or disease associated with it, would it become halal? No. Because these are not reasons associated with the ruling. In such cases the wording is usually "the wisdom behind this ruling is such and such".

Also theres what is called "illah ta'bodiyyah" which means "reason of worship" (or something close lol). This is clear especially in details of forms of worship. Why is this prayer done this way, or why do you have to wash before praying if you eat camel meat (to those who hold this opinion), then it is said the illah is ta'boddiyah (reason of worship, ie "Allah swt ordered so") Some are against considering the last two different, saying everything has a reason behind it afterall.

As a side note.. when trying to understand things and ponder/think one must not try to understand the effect of any given ruling on individuals only, but also on the society as a whole. Sometimes a more wholistic view makes things clearer.

[Adimonnna]

I dont know who it is. However, from a legal perspective (whether one holds the opinion that covering the face is obligatory, or considers it "liked" but not obligatory), its because Allah swt said so. And our attutude is "we hear, and we obey" He is just trying to the best of his ability to explain why to the best of his ability. This reasoning however, is more like pondering and observing, and not attached to the ruling.

In fundementals of fiqh (Usool Al Fiqh), theres two different types of reasons. Theres reasons that are attached to the ruling (called illah), and reasons that are more like explanations but not attached to the ruling. If the reason associated with a ruling is gone, then the ruling may change. For instance, if swimming would cause someone a heart attack due to health problems, then it becomes haram. If he finds a cure, then it becomes halal. Also, the illah behind making drinking "khamr" haram is because it makes you drunk. Therefore, if the same illah (reason) is attached to wine or any other drink, then it is haram also.

However, other reasons we sometimes mention arent associated with the ruling. For example, the Prophet peace be upon him forbade us from eating any carnivorous animal which has canine teeth. Many give reasons for this, stating is not good for your health and can cause this or that. However, if it were 100% healthy, with no filth or disease associated with it, would it become halal? No. Because these are not reasons associated with the ruling. In such cases the wording is usually "the wisdom behind this ruling is such and such".

Also theres what is called "illah ta'bodiyyah" which means "reason of worship" (or something close lol). This is clear especially in details of forms of worship. Why is this prayer done this way, or why do you have to wash before praying if you eat camel meat (to those who hold this opinion), then it is said the illah is ta'boddiyah (reason of worship, ie "Allah swt ordered so") Some are against considering the last two different, saying everything has a reason behind it afterall.

As a side note.. when trying to understand things and ponder/think one must not try to understand the effect of any given ruling on individuals only, but also on the society as a whole. Sometimes a more wholistic view makes things clearer.

I completely accept rulings about haram and halal. This man was giving an opinion about mens attractiveness to women and he is clearly wrong and then based on this he is trying to explain why the male does not have to wear a burqa, in my book that is making things up as you go along.

Although having said that, I find that this attitude to what women see and dont see in men quite common in muslim men. Yes the female form and male form are different, but surely it should be up to both men and women to lower their gaze and not have this double standard.

[puzobok]

I am asking male & female opinions here. The remarks made by the man in the clips were hilarious. To suggest the women dont find the male face attractive is ridiculous, that all women are interested in is a gentle man is naive. A woman is just as attractive to men as a man is attractive to a woman, the only difference is that men generally act on it more.

If thats the case then he does have a point and its just an issue of wording. He wasnt giving an assessment on beauty or attractiveness...its more like "womens beauty is reacted to more than mans" is pretty much what he was trying to say.

He clearly didnt mean to say that a mans face isnt attractive to women. Seeing how long it took to get the idea across I think its just a matter of wording and how to express the idea (and not the idea itself)

[Arratherimi]

A woman is just as attractive to men as a man is attractive to a woman, the only difference is that men generally act on it more.

It's not the same whatsoever. Islam does not pretend that no differences between genders exist. Women are no where near affected on the same level as men are at the mere image of the opposite sex and this is no small matter, to think otherwise is just pure sillyness.

For women on the other hand physical attractiveness based on image alone doesn't affect as much and requires other aspects of the man to be taken into consideration. The levels of testosterone disparity between genders is also very self evident. Western feminist influence have basically made it taboo to consider these differences to be of any real significance - which is hazardous for society especially for an Islamic society where gender relations lie at its core.

Men are also expected to be out of the house more often working for the family, hard labour or otherwise, so covering themselves isn't very practical either.

[inilbowly]

It's not the same whatsoever. Islam does not pretend that no differences between genders exist. Women are no where near affected on the same level as men are at the mere image of the opposite sex and this is no small matter, to think otherwise is just pure sillyness.

For women on the other hand physical attractiveness based on image alone doesn't affect as much and requires other aspects of the man to be taken into consideration. The levels of hormone disparity between genders is also very self evident. Western feminist influence have basically made it taboo to consider these differences to be of any real significance - which is hazardous for society especially for an Islamic society where gender relations lie at its core.

Men are also expected to be out of the house more often working for the family, hard labour or otherwise, so covering themselves isn't very practical either.

Asalamwalaikum,

I agree with the above statement massively. We cannot pretend there is no difference in genders except a mere physical difference. There are quite clearly innate psychological differences also.
As Shaykh Hamza Yusuf put it, this is also the reason women in a mosque pray behind men rather than the other way around. A woman alhumdullilah can keep her focus and pray properly (retaining her spiritual focus) even when she is behind men. If women prayed in front of men, men would find it incredibly difficult to maintain concentration.
There are legions of little issues like this which if one studies them carefully and thinks with an open mind reveals incredible wisdom.
Regarding women lowering their gaze. Yes women shouldn't look lustfully at men either (except husbands). It applies to both genders.

[Adimonnna]

It's not the same whatsoever. Islam does not pretend that no differences between genders exist. Women are no where near affected on the same level as men are at the mere image of the opposite sex and this is no small matter, to think otherwise is just pure sillyness.

For women on the other hand physical attractiveness based on image alone doesn't affect as much and requires other aspects of the man to be taken into consideration. The levels of hormone disparity between genders is also very self evident. Western feminist influence have basically made it taboo to consider these differences to be of any real significance - which is hazardous for society especially for an Islamic society where gender relations lie at its core.

Men are also expected to be out of the house more often working for the family, hard labour or otherwise, so covering themselves isn't very practical either.

I can only say in response to this that unless you have been inside a woman brain, you cant know what she feels on the subject of male attractiveness. Of course it is physically more obvious if a man is aroused but women feel this too internally.

For both sexes, if there is nothing behind the attractiveness, there is no hope of a anything else, a marriage.

Both men and women have male & female hormones. Depending on how much of that hormone you are exposed to in the womb can determine your personality and during puberty. As a child I never like playing with dolls, I always wanted to play with remote control cars etc. That is normal. I dont think it is healthy for men or women to feel that they are restricted to a particular type of behaviour or career. Obviously each sex has strenght and weaknesses in different areas.

Some Western feminists would have men reduced to a sperm bank. Very warped way of thinking. I think that has a lot to do with their upbringing.

[Arratherimi]

I can only say in response to this that unless you have been inside a woman brain, you cant know what she feels on the subject of male attractiveness. Of course it is physically more obvious if a man is aroused but women feel this too internally.

I'm basing what I say from my own personal observations and what women have said on the matter and I believe my conclusions to be quite accurate. To suggest that the difference between levels of sexual arousal is only that it's more physically apparent on the man is outright silly. Not even in secondary school science class do they teach you this. Men are far more responsive to visual imagery than females, full stop. Testosterone levels (which is what I actually meant above and not "hormones") are nowhere near the same which is what's largely responsible for this.

For both sexes, if there is nothing behind the attractiveness, there is no hope of a anything else, a marriage.

This hasn't got anything to do with the topic at hand, however from a basic standpoint male female patterns in choosing their spouses are also very clear. Women in general won't be willing to marry a man purely because of his looks, men on the other hand are. Physical appearance don't affect females on the same level as males.

Both men and women have male & female hormones. Depending on how much of that hormone you are exposed to in the womb can determine your personality and during puberty. As a child I never like playing with dolls, I always wanted to play with remote control cars etc. That is normal.

That was a typo above I meant 'testosterone' not hormones, my mistake.

I dont think it is healthy for men or women to feel that they are restricted to a particular type of behaviour or career. Obviously each sex has strenght and weaknesses in different areas.

Islam doesn't restrict each gender to a certain behaviour rather it recognises what each gender is best for and recommends it strongly and provides the environment for each gender to achieve maximum potential psychological happiness in. Islam has no shame in outlining these roles specifically.

Men work for their families and women look after the house and children. In the feminist influenced world today this statement is seen as derogatory and shameful and taboo. Yet the majority of women who attempt to achieve a career and try to follow the feminist dream end up settling down to have kids and prefer to have their husbands work the earnings anyways, and yet it's shameful to admit this truth? Shameful in being female?

Some Western feminists would have men reduced to a sperm bank. Very warped way of thinking. I think that has a lot to do with their upbringing.

Feminist influence is far too ingrained and embedded as social norms to just limit them to the extreme feminists.

[onlyfun_biziness]

Would anyone like to comment on this video and the message this man is giving about the female view of a male?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzU3xjBj8m0

By the way, who is this man?

That is Shaykh Haytham Al-Haddad

I can see the point he is trying to make but sometimes he gives it as too much of a generalisation, i don't agree that women are never attracted to a man's face, but as a general statement women do not find men as attractive as men find women. I think the western world also accepts this that's why when it comes to things such as advertising a majority of the time a lady will be used over a man

both men and women are commanded to lower their gaze, there is another way of looking at "burqa" most people see it as a burden on the women, in reality many women that wear it feel like it puts a cover over the mans eyes and is blocking his vision

[Adimonnna]

That is Shaykh Haytham Al-Haddad

I can see the point he is trying to make but sometimes he gives it as too much of a generalisation, i don't agree that women are never attracted to a man's face, but as a general statement women do not find men as attractive as men find women. I think the western world also accepts this that's why when it comes to things such as advertising a majority of the time a lady will be used over a man

both men and women are commanded to lower their gaze, there is another way of looking at "burqa" most people see it as a burden on the women, in reality many women that wear it feel like it puts a cover over the mans eyes and is blocking his vision

Thank you for this mans name.

It cant be denied that it is a physical burden on women to wear something like this in a hot country. So men are the root of evil with their wandering eyes! LOL

































It is physically a burden to wear a garment like this. Its one thing to wear soemthing like the burqa in


I think

The mens eyes

[SallythePearl]

Not is is not a burden.

[actrisski]

Obeying Allah is Ibadah, if one thinks its a burden or not is irrelevant.


Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity.
It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned.
"Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us.
Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us.
You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
(Al Baqara:286)

[SallythePearl]

Obeying Allah is Ibadah, if one thinks its a burden or not is irrelevant.


Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity.
It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned.
"Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us.
Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us.
You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
(Al Baqara:286)

Mashallah sister,

w alikum assalam

[TaxSheemaSter]

Obeying Allah is Ibadah, if one thinks its a burden or not is irrelevant.


Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity.
It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned.
"Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us.
Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us.
You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
(Al Baqara:286)

Bismillah
in fact disobeying and not wearing burqah will be a burden for a muslimah who wants to obey the commands of Allah SWT. Obeying commands gives inner peace and only a believer can feel it.

[Uhmavano]

Mashallah sister,

w alikum assalam

Azhar123 is brother

This is now becoming funny trend on the froum to address brother as sister and a sister as brother

[actrisski]

Azhar123 is brother

This is now becoming funny trend on the froum to address brother as sister and a sister as brother

for the correction. lol.

[HaremShaih]

Men 'suffer' greatly from women's charms. This is why men and not women:

1. Have so many names (slang terms) for women.
2. Have so many names for women's body parts (all vulgar).

This is why although women tend to shop more, it is women and their body parts that are used to sell more products to men. Women are no where near as influenced by men's faces and bodies as men are by women. You only have to look on TV or in magazines.
This is why men rape women after she changes her mind and switches off. Something which men are not able to do so easily.
Women throughout history have been used to destroy men in power by using their charms. For a man to seduce a woman in power is very difficult.

I find most women extremely naive in this area. The average man is a monster and women need to protect themselves.

[Adimonnna]

Men 'suffer' greatly from women's charms. This is why men and not women:

1. Have so many names (slang terms) for women.
2. Have so many names for women's body parts (all vulgar).

This is why although women tend to shop more, it is women and their body parts that are used to sell more products to men. Women are no where near as influenced by men's faces and bodies as men are by women. You only have to look on TV or in magazines.
This is why men rape women after she changes her mind and switches off. Something which men are not able to do so easily.
Women throughout history have been used to destroy men in power by using their charms. For a man to seduce a woman in power is very difficult.

I find most women extremely naive in this area. The average man is a monster and women need to protect themselves.

lol, I assume that if your location is London, you have heard only too frequently all the slang words women have to describe men. Funny & Vulgar. Sex is used to sell. I am not saying that is right by the way. You are 100% right. You can see men used to sell in womens magazines too!

You are wrong with regard to rape. A rapist is someone who wants control, nothing to do with sex, an animal, thats all. Regardless of what a woman is doing, saying or wearing, no man has the right to touch her unless it is welcome.

So basically, if we go by the vast majority of posts on this subject, men are not in control of themselves!! Remind me again, Men are the stronger sex!!! lol