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Old 08-18-2011, 02:28 PM   #1
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May peace prevail you all, my dear Sunni brothers and sister!

I was just wondering, since Prophet Mohammad (PBUH&HF) came from a bloodline of previous Prophets, wouldn't it make more sense, for us Muslims to seek guidance from the bloodline that came AFTER Him as well?

Curious really, why do Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. follow the path of Umar and Abu Bakar, (ra) when they could follow ACTUAL descendants of the Holy Prophet himself?!
Wouldn't that be a blessing!

I know many people might say, "I only follow Quran and Prophet" but come on, think rationally here.

Like what made you guys decide that 'They' (ra) were the right Caliphate?
I'm actually really keen on learning about Sunnism and if my questions are answered I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:33 PM   #2
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May peace prevail you all, my dear Sunni brothers and sister!

I was just wondering, since Prophet Mohammad (PBUH&HF) came from a bloodline of previous Prophets, wouldn't it make more sense, for us Muslims to seek guidance from the bloodline that came AFTER Him as well?

Curious really, why do Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. follow the path of Umar and Abu Bakar, (ra) when they could follow ACTUAL descendants of the Holy Prophet himself?!
Wouldn't that be a blessing!

I know many people might say, "I only follow Quran and Prophet" but come on, think rationally here.

Like what made you guys decide that 'They' (ra) were the right Caliphate?
I'm actually really keen on learning about Sunnism and if my questions are answered I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you.
Lol
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:14 PM   #3
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I will just post one reply. I m not in for a discussion.

Allah says in the Quran:
"He being the second of the two, When they were in the cave and when Muhammad said to his companion 'Grieve not, surely God is with us,'
then God came to their help, and protected them with an army which they saw not".
{9:40}

Who was the companion of Rasoolullah in the Cave?
AbuBakr .

Would Allah protected a Munafiq(hypocrite) with an army of angels?
I think not.

Period.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:23 PM   #4
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abu jahl and abu lahab are also from the lineage of prophets. Also the son of adam who started the example of murder was also a son of a prophet. So i dont think that relying on lineage should be the criteria.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:22 PM   #5
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explain this, please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wac4VzgXhKE
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:47 PM   #6
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May peace prevail you all, my dear Sunni brothers and sister!

I was just wondering, since Prophet Mohammad (PBUH&HF) came from a bloodline of previous Prophets, wouldn't it make more sense, for us Muslims to seek guidance from the bloodline that came AFTER Him as well?

Curious really, why do Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. follow the path of Umar and Abu Bakar, (ra) when they could follow ACTUAL descendants of the Holy Prophet himself?!
Wouldn't that be a blessing!

I know many people might say, "I only follow Quran and Prophet" but come on, think rationally here.

Like what made you guys decide that 'They' (ra) were the right Caliphate?
I'm actually really keen on learning about Sunnism and if my questions are answered I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you.
Salam

We do accept his authentic lineage as the scholors of this deen if it is proven from strong trust worthy sources. But Islam MashAllah is not a family run business, otherwise on the name of using prophet's family name we would have corrupt leaders who would take advantage of common people and take us straight to the fire. And some wannabes are present even this day and Allah save us from them. Our prophet came to free us from All sorts of slavery, and people lie all the time to gain power. We would have so many liers around claiming to be from his family and lineage. Alhamdulilah Allah protected us from this type of personality worship.

If Allah had intended for using Prophets lineage as divinely inspired leaders of this ummah then the first to be that would'nt be Hazrat Ali R.A , Allah would have rose Prophet's Own son to do this job, and who would have been better for this . Like other Anbiya who came before we find in Quran and Hadeeth that Allah directly gave them sons who were messengers and would continue the divine job. And see In shiaism , just because you have stuck to this idea that his lineage is divinely inspired then to to maintain that belief you have to give your last imam such a long life and also have to put him in a cave hidden.

And whats the problem with accepting His beloved friends as the caliphate who never left him on a single battlefield, who gave blood for him. Why not, and when you slander and abuse his companions thats basically insulting the prophet himself, because you are implying that he failed in his mission and his teaching had no effects , and his mission was a total fail. Thats Blasphemy.

Anyways, i wont debate in this matter neither iam qualified for this, i might do more harm then to guide. Just read on your own and talk to learned people on this subject matter.If you really want to learn about sunnism then before you delve into it, be open minded and keep your biases aside and open up your heart for the truth. If that is not the case then no point at all. And keep making dwa to Allah that Ya Allah i want to just go where it is Haq and where you are happy, So take me Allah to wherever there is HAq and the Truth.Cause in the end Deen is to Attain the pleasure of Allah and be successful on the day of judgement, it is not for sectarianism.Be sincere, and see where Allah guides you.And i want to apologize if something i said was hurting. Wasalam.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:22 PM   #7
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Nabi ko hijrat ki raat tune akeyla chora na ghaar mein bhi
Judaa na hone diya Khuda ne Nabi ko tujhse mazzaar mein bhi
Buland kar di jahan mein tune wafa ki izzat Siddiq-e-akbar
Nabi ne khud hi banaya tujhko imam-e-ummat Siddiq-e-akbar
Jahan bhi dekha, jahan mein roshan hai teri azmat Siddiq-e-akbar


On the night of migration you did not leave the side of RasoolAllah not even within the cave
Allah azza wa jal did not let seperation come between you both not even within the grave
you have raised the status of loyalty in this world oh greatest of the truthful
the prophet himself made you the leader of his nation oh greatest of the truthful
Wherever i turn to see, i find your greatness illuminating the world oh greatest of the truthful
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:15 PM   #8
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May peace prevail you all, my dear Sunni brothers and sister!

I was just wondering, since Prophet Mohammad (PBUH&HF) came from a bloodline of previous Prophets, wouldn't it make more sense, for us Muslims to seek guidance from the bloodline that came AFTER Him as well?

Curious really, why do Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. follow the path of Umar and Abu Bakar, (ra) when they could follow ACTUAL descendants of the Holy Prophet himself?!
Wouldn't that be a blessing!

I know many people might say, "I only follow Quran and Prophet" but come on, think rationally here.

Like what made you guys decide that 'They' (ra) were the right Caliphate?
I'm actually really keen on learning about Sunnism and if my questions are answered I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you.
lol! c'mon think rationally. Rasulullah salalahualaihi-wasallam is the LAST FINAL PROPHET OF ALLAAH! after him there is NO prophet... although there are his progeny and sahaba they are NOT PROPHETS, they didnt receive wahi, werent sent as prophets to mankind etc etc, so it is much more blessed and intelligent to follow the prophet salalahu alaihiwasallam himself... anyway his progeny and sahaba were not propogating anything other than what nabi salallahu alaihi wasallam himself thought them! sunnis equally love hazrat abu bakr, umar, uthman and ali, the whole family, his wives and all the sahaba (r.a) as Allahs rasool loved all of them.. do you ever find a sunni saying bad things about hazrat ali, bibi fatima, hasan or husain (r.a)..? no. we love them coz nabi salalahualaihi wasallam loved them... and just as HE loved them, he loved hazrat abu bakr and hazrat umar (R.A)... did'nt nabi salalahualaihi-wasallam say: My sahabi are like the stars, whomsoever follows anyone of them will be guided. (i stand to correction if these are not the exact words.)
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:56 PM   #9
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May peace prevail you all, my dear Sunni brothers and sister!
Ameen

I was just wondering, since Prophet Mohammad (PBUH&HF) came from a bloodline of previous Prophets, wouldn't it make more sense, for us Muslims to seek guidance from the bloodline that came AFTER Him as well?

Curious really, why do Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. follow the path of Umar and Abu Bakar, (ra) when they could follow ACTUAL descendants of the Holy Prophet himself?!
Wouldn't that be a blessing! We follow Rasool Allah himself.

So what you mean is that the path of Umar and Abu Bakr رضي الله عنهم was different than Rasool Allah ?

And the path of his descendants meaning Ali رضي الله عنه was different than Umar and Abu Bakr رضي الله عنهم?

Please explain.

I know many people might say, "I only follow Quran and Prophet" but come on, think rationally here. Please explain the rationale here.

Like what made you guys decide that 'They' (ra) were the right Caliphate?
I'm actually really keen on learning about Sunnism and if my questions are answered I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you. Cause Hazrat Ali رضي الله عنه accepted them as the right Khalifahs

Please answer my questions asked above.

And please show us some miracles as you are a miraculous shia.

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Old 08-19-2011, 01:54 AM   #10
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I will just post one reply. I m not in for a discussion.

Allah says in the Quran:
"He being the second of the two, When they were in the cave and when Muhammad said to his companion 'Grieve not, surely God is with us,'
then God came to their help, and protected them with an army which they saw not".
{9:40}

Who was the companion of Rasoolullah in the Cave?
AbuBakr .

Would Allah protected a Munafiq(hypocrite) with an army of angels?
I think not.

Period.
....Maulana tariq Jamil sahab pointed something about this verse in a bayan...he said it is "grieve not" not "fear not", which means that it was the thought of Huzoor first that made Syedna Abu Bakr worried, if he was concerned about himself more than it would have been "fear not".......Allah knows best...
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:08 AM   #11
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Ameen



We follow Rasool Allah himself.

So what you mean is that the path of Umar and Abu Bakr رضي الله عنهم was different than Rasool Allah ?

And the path of his descendants meaning Ali رضي الله عنه was different than Umar and Abu Bakr رضي الله عنهم?

Please explain.



Please explain the rationale here.



Cause Hazrat Ali رضي الله عنه accepted them as the right Khalifahs

Please answer my questions asked above.

And please show us some miracles as you are a miraculous shia.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
I hate it when these trolls get in here strike a match and go away. never to return.
and we all seem to be playing right into their trap. sigh.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:14 AM   #12
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....Maulana tariq Jamil sahab pointed something about this verse in a bayan...he said it is "grieve not" not "fear not", which means that it was the thought of Huzoor first that made Syedna Abu Bakr worried, if he was concerned about himself more than it would have been "fear not".......Allah knows best...


Heard that too. The Sahabah were ever ready to put Rasulullah first in everything, even before their own lives.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:23 AM   #13
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....Maulana tariq Jamil sahab pointed something about this verse in a bayan...he said it is "grieve not" not "fear not", which means that it was the thought of Huzoor first that made Syedna Abu Bakr worried, if he was concerned about himself more than it would have been "fear not".......Allah knows best...


Good point... the Aya says "la tahzan" ("do not grieve").

I will just post one reply. I m not in for a discussion.

Allah says in the Quran:
"He being the second of the two, When they were in the cave and when Muhammad said to his companion 'Grieve not, surely God is with us,'
then God came to their help, and protected them with an army which they saw not".
{9:40}

Who was the companion of Rasoolullah in the Cave?
AbuBakr .

Would Allah protected a Munafiq(hypocrite) with an army of angels?
I think not.

Period.
Subhanallah, and then there are people who dare to speak against him (radhiallahu 'anhu)!!!

Another Aya to show the importance of the Sahaba:

وَٱلسَّابِقُونَ ٱلأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ ٱلْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَٱلأَنْصَارِ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَانٍ رَّضِيَ ٱللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُواْ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا ٱلأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَداً ذٰلِكَ ٱلْفَوْزُ ٱلْعَظِيمُ


As for the first and foremost of the Emigrants (Muhājirīn) and the Supporters (Ansār) and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Allah, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, where they will live for ever. That is the supreme achievement.

Surat At-Tawba, Aya 100


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Old 08-19-2011, 02:50 AM   #14
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Prophet (SAW) in his last sermon said All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

So why are we obsessed with bloodlines and sayyid this and sayyid that?

Dont you know our enemies are plotting to control us in the next 200 years?
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:21 PM   #15
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[QUOTE=Game theory;651222

Dont you know our enemies are plotting to control us in the next 200 years?[/QUOTE]

what does this mean...?
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