[Guloqkcm]

Can anyone explain what kind of view I should have on it? I mean the theory is preached to me every day in this western world, and if Human evolution is false than why do so many biologist up hold it?


Just wondering

Salams

[new-nickname-zanovo]

Can anyone explain what kind of view I should have on it? I mean the theory is preached to me every day in this western world, and if Human evolution is false than why do so many biologist up hold it?


Just wondering

Salams

Coz 'most' biologists are atheists and want to spread their concept.

Evolution theory, well lets divide it into 2.
-Evolution of Humans;
-Evolution of Animals.

1. Evolution of Humans is absolutely unacceptable for Muslims. Because Allah mentions in the Quran that He 'created' Adam :as:.

2. Evolution of Animals is not clear in Quran or Hadith. So we don't have to listen to some biologist's 'theory' about it. Allah is Almighty, He can create animals from thin air if he wants or He can evolve new animals from the ones He already created.

So basically its mostly a waste of time to ponder 'too much' about this issue.

Allah knows best.

[Guloqkcm]

Coz 'most' biologists are atheists and want to spread their concept.

Evolution theory, well lets divide it into 2.
-Evolution of Humans;
-Evolution of Animals.

1. Evolution of Humans is absolutely unacceptable for Muslims. Because Allah mentions in the Quran that He 'created' Adam :as:.

2. Evolution of Animals is not clear in Quran or Hadith. So we don't have to listen to some biologist's 'theory' about it. Allah is Almighty, He can create animals from thin air if he wants or He can evolve new animals from the ones He already created.

So basically its mostly a waste of time to ponder 'too much' about this issue.

Allah knows best.

Jazkallah brother

but how do you explain these half ape half man fossils like nethendral man?

[new-nickname-zanovo]

Jazkallah brother

but how do you explain these half ape half man fossils like nethendral man?

Same like the apes we have now. Chimpanzee, orangutan, gorrilla etc. These fossils must be extinct species of apes. Even the present day apes have striking similarity with humans. But that does not mean we evolved from them or they evolved from us. Its all the miracle of Allah

Allah knows best.

[RobertLS]

Yakhee the concept of evolution is a very broad concept. Atheists try to use a very narrow meaning just to (supposedly) prove what they previously believe in, although it doesnt even prove it. Did you ever notice them giving a detailed perfected definition? Never. Why? Because its a very broad general idea with so many other ideas that stem from it, some somewhat supported, others totally baseless.

Can creation evolve? Sure! Does that mean creation started out of one cell, and even that one cell wasnt created? Absoloutly not! Even if it were true it explains nothing about origins of man. Even the breeding between man and Neanderthal was never established.

Some Muslims said that "human" is different from "the modern man" and that humans were there before the modern man, and that Allah picked Adam and his offspring are mankind. They did this to try to connect Islam to the theory and although it may sound to some like it may be possible in theory theres nothing to support it.

Anyway so basically atheists take a basic concept that has some truth to it, and attach so many unproven ideas, many of them baseless, just to prove a religious view they have and give it a scientific theme while its all nonsense.

Look how stubborn Richard Dawkins (one of the most famous atheist supporters of evolution) sounds in this video. Hes willing to accept the idea of "intelligent design" and therefore a creator, only against saying that its God, with no support whatsoever from evolution or anything like that. He just tries to stick his beliefs to science, with not a single thing that supports this view or even how its related to the concept of evolution.

They just market the two ideas of evolution and atheism lumped together. To make their baseless beleifs sound scientific.
Pretty arrogant and dishonest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoncJBrrdQ8

[qzgCVHex]

Jazkallah brother

but how do you explain these half ape half man fossils like nethendral man?

it is just a theory and the proponents accept it as such. it is not something that is established with irrefutable proof. there are many flaws in the theory that have not been reconciled. one flaw being that if all of life evolved in very small gradual mutations, then we should be absolutely inundated with trillions upon trillions (and probably more!) of different fossils showing very slight changes that lead to the evolution of different species

imagine how many different random mutations would need to occur for an ape to evolve into a human. the numbers would be huge. we are talking about millions upon millions. where is the evidence of these mutated apes that eventually lead to the evolution of humans? there should also be an even larger number of mutated apes that did not mutate in the right manner and eventually died out due to the handicap that the adverse mutation caused. where is the evidence?

they have put forward a theory and it is their responsibility to show evidence for their theory. until then it will always remain a theory. even according to it's proponents it is just a theory.

[Dfvgthyju]

It's a teory, not a fact.

Just like the big bang, they can't it.

And a stronger teory is, that a species can't mutate into another species through evolution. They can only mutate in very small matters, like bigger feets, longer noses etc.

Humans are also diffrent in colour and nature depending on their living places. Fx. Many people in Africa are black, and people in cold places got a lot of hair to keep them warm.

Antoher thing I would like to say is, that Allah created everything, but you do not know how he did this.

W/salam

[Donlupedron]

Jazkallah brother

but how do you explain these half ape half man fossils like nethendral man?

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Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry at Lehigh University, claims that over the past decades, biochemical discoveries at the nano-scale have thrown Darwin's theory of evolution into an unresolved crisis. It simply cannot account for the molecular complexity of life. Recent advances in science have in fact discovered evidence of intelligent design, though sociological and philosophical factors have caused this discovery to be repressed.

Behe takes up a challenge set up by Charles Darwin in his book The Origin of Species:

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If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find no such case.
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Such cases are now known to exist, claims Behe, in the biochemical machines, pathways and systems of every living cell. To Darwin, the cell was a "black box"; he had no idea of what was going on inside, and assumed it must be very simple. Now that this black box has been opened, we must reassess Darwin's theories, testing them against the new data.

Behe describes several structures found within cells, which could not "have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications" describing them as "irreducibly complex." His examples include: the bactrial flagellum, a minature motor made up of over 40 parts, all necessary for function; the blood clotting mechanism of humans, a cascade of interacting chemicals; and the synthesis pathway for AMP, basic to life in all cells.

Behe guides the reader through the complexities of these structures with clear descriptions, vivid illustrations and contagious enthusiasm for scientific research. Having outlined the problem they pose to Darwinian evolution, he surveys the scientific literature for solutions. Scouring the libraries of the world, including publications such as Journal for Molecular Evolution and Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences he finds nothing which can tell him how these irreducibly complex structures evolved. Eventually he concludes that no such explanation exists.

How then did these structures come to be? The answer, says Behe, is obvious:

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There is an elephant in the roomful of scientists who are trying to explain the development of life. The elephant is labeled 'intelligent design.' To a person who does not feel obliged to restrict his search to unintelligent causes, the straightforward conclusion is that many biochemical systems were designed. They were designed not by the laws of nature, not by chance and necessity; rather they were planned. The designer knew what the systems would look like when they were completed, then took steps to bring the systems about. Life on earth at its most fundamental level, in its most critical components, is the product of intelligent activity. (p. 193)
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The remaining chapters are an explanation of the scientific nature of the inference to design, the history of the idea, and the reasons why many scientists are relunctant to use design as an explanation.

Many Darwinian scientists have reviewed this book since its publication, and tried to refute its arguments. Behe has responded to some of these in a chapter Irreducible complexity: obstacle to Darwinian evolution in Debating Design: From Darwin to DNA , W. A. Dembski and M. Ruse Eds (Cambridge University Press, 2004).

This book is superbly written and is an excellent an essential introduction to the scientific theory of intelligent design.

[dmoiknlasd]

I was under the impression that Behe had been refuted. http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/icdmy....html#argument

[actioliGalm]

1. Evolution of Humans is absolutely unacceptable for Muslims. Because Allah mentions in the Quran that He 'created' Adam :as:.

That wouldn't really contradict evolution. It's still entirely possible for there to be evolution and special creation at the same time, that Allah inserted the human species as a seperate creation into the world at a later date along with the ability to evolve.

I'm not saying that evolution is indeed true, but that it doesn't really contradict Islam if it was true.

[Donlupedron]

I was under the impression that Behe had been refuted. http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/icdmy....html#argument

Many Darwinian scientists have reviewed this book since its publication, and tried to refute its arguments. Behe has responded to some of these in a chapter Irreducible complexity: obstacle to Darwinian evolution in Debating Design: From Darwin to DNA , W. A. Dembski and M. Ruse Eds (Cambridge University Press, 2004).

[Ilaubuas]

That wouldn't really contradict evolution. It's still entirely possible for there to be evolution and special creation at the same time, that Allah inserted the human species as a seperate creation into the world at a later date along with the ability to evolve.

I'm not saying that evolution is indeed true, but that it doesn't really contradict Islam if it was true.

Brother it is not possible for evolution to be compatible with Islam. No where does it mention in the Qur'an or Hadith that Insaan was created by Allah then sent down to earth as a special creation but then evolved from apes. As Muslims our evidence is from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Any new idea that is incompatible with these two Divine sources is baatil and rejected. Yes, if science conforms with the Qur'an and Sunnah then there is no issue.

The thoery of evolution is championed by the Secularists as the theory that is the stark opposite of what Islam teaches. Allah Ta'ala created all species perfectly and "Allah is the best of the creators."

[TolleyBoymn]

Jellal and Noor, the view on evolution is very different.

Some people believe it's true and see it as the way God brought creation systematically forward.
Other's reject this and maintain that it's false. Both camps have Muslims, Christians, Hindu's
and so on. And both camps will continue discussing this issue till their hairs turn grey.

Make sure you depart from this world with a sound heart, as that is the most important
aspect of this life, all knowledge is useless and will mean nothing on the Last Day except
a sound heart.

[Donlupedron]

Can anyone explain what kind of view I should have on it? I mean the theory is preached to me every day in this western world, and if Human evolution is false than why do so many biologist up hold it?


Just wondering

Salams

There is a sinister agenda behind the promotion of Darwinism in the Western universities. Check these links

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http://www.henrymakow.com/illuminati...solipsism.html

The bankers have created a solipsism that portrays the material world as "red in tooth and claw" (Darwin etc.) and mired in class conflict (Marx.) This way the bankers harnessed the workers to eliminate their competition.

Meanwhile Nietzsche pronounced God dead. "Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man?" he wrote. They reject the inherent moral order because it interferes with their monopoly of wealth.

"Think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism (Evolution), Marxism (Communism), Nietzsche-ism (Socialism). To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim." The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (2).


This solipsistic process has not abated. Today, scientists who detect an intelligent force at work in nature are fired from their jobs.

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Intelligent Scientists "Expelled" by Illuminati

http://www.henrymakow.com/expelled.html
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DARWINIAN MODEL

"Is man an angel or an ape?"

The Illuminati use Darwinism to reduce man from a potential angel (the religious view) to an ape. They created Darwin to replace the Divine Presence with a cruel and random universe governed by survival of the fittest. Darwinism empowered the Illuminati. They imposed it on us.

Intelligent Design empowers humanity. We're not talking about the "God of the Old Testament," the straw-man that pathetic atheists easily debunk. We're talking about something most of us both intuit and desire, a method and purpose to creation, a way of living conducive to health and happiness, a Moral Order.

This is anathema to our Illuminutty guardians who are busily taking God's place, enthroning their little mascot Lucifer.

If you doubt me, watch this documentary. It shows very clearly that this leads to Eugenics and the view people are "useless" eaters who can be bred, trained or killed with impunity. It is the end of free will and morality.

You will also see we have been overtaken by Communism. "Truth" is no longer objective, but is instead defined by political diktat.

[gugamotina]

As-Salaamu alaykum

I'd like to present a very apt response given by one of our great and learned Scholars (Rahmatullahi alayhi):

“If a person is proud to announce that his ancestors, his great, great grandparents were Mr. and Mrs. Ape, then that is his choice.
Alhamdulillah, we are proud of the fact that our great, great grandparents were Hazrat Aadam and Hawwa (Alayhimus Salaam): Human beings. Why argue with people who have such warped mentality ? If they are happy with their lineage, so be it. We too are happy with ours – that Allah Ta’ala honoured us with a HUMAN father and mother."

The theory doesn't carry any weight. Why do we not presently see the monkeys and apes of today slowly evolving into man ?

[ovenco]

As-Salaamu alaykum

I'd like to present a very apt response given by one of our great and learned Scholars (Rahmatullahi alayhi):

“If a person is proud to announce that his ancestors, his great, great grandparents were Mr. and Mrs. Ape, then that is his choice.
Alhamdulillah, we are proud of the fact that our great, great grandparents were Hazrat Aadam and Hawwa (Alayhimus Salaam): Human beings. Why argue with people who have such warped mentality ? If they are happy with their lineage, so be it. We too are happy with ours – that Allah Ta’ala honoured us with a HUMAN father and mother."

The theory doesn't carry any weight. Why do we not presently see the monkeys and apes of today slowly evolving into man ?

Not just that, we should have many intermediaries coexisting at the same time as a gradient. To say that ALL intermediate evolutionary forms have been selected out by natural selection is impossible.

To clarify, Darwinists claim that we evolved from a common ancestor that we share with the Great Apes, not that we evolved from apes themselves. But, there should be a large spectrum of pseudo-humans, with some increasingly similar to the common ancestor and some increasingly similar to modern man (Homo sapiens sapiens), but we do not see such a thing. We do have fossils that are alleged to have belonged to these intermediates, but how could these intermediates have all been wiped out and replaced with a significantly different species all across the globe?

[Adimos]

Not just that, we should have many intermediaries coexisting at the same time as a gradient. To say that ALL intermediate evolutionary forms have been selected out by natural selection is impossible.

To clarify, Darwinists claim that we evolved from a common ancestor that we share with the Great Apes, not that we evolved from apes themselves. But, there should be a large spectrum of pseudo-humans, with some increasingly similar to the common ancestor and some increasingly similar to modern man (Homo sapiens sapiens), but we do not see such a thing. We do have fossils that are alleged to have belonged to these intermediates, but how could these intermediates have all been wiped out and replaced with a significantly different species all across the globe?

I don't agree with evolution but if i am not mistaken according to Hitler's beliefs Black people fit that description, as well as jews i suppose, but the thing is there were 'Jews'(Which is a broad term depending on how you define a Jew) in the Nazi, so 'Jews' could be evolved too (using that logic).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO6-P9RfztA

[Adimos]

Which is wrong anyway black people are still Homo sapiens are are as human as white people.

[new-nickname-zanovo]

Some wise words from Imam Shafi'i

Troubled In Aspects Of Deen: Imam Shafi’ee’s Response

And ath-Thahabee mentions from al-Muzanee that he said:

I knew that if anyone could rid me of a troubling concern about an issue of tawheed, it would be ash-Shaafi’ee. So I went to him while he was in a mosque in Egypt. When I kneeled in front of him, I said, ‘I am troubled about a certain issue of tawheed. I know that no one knows as much as you, so what do you say about this?’

He became angry and said, ‘Do you know where you are?’

I said, ‘Yes.’

He said, ‘This is the place where Allaah drowned Pharoah. Has it reached you that the Messenger of Allaah was ordered to ask about that?’

I said, ‘No.’

He said, ‘Have the Companions spoken about it?’

I said, ‘No.’

He said, ‘Do you know how many stars are in the sky?’

I said, ‘No.’

He said, ‘So you don’t even know about one planet – its type or the time and place of its appearance and disappearance?’

I said, ‘No.’

He said, “So there is something from the creation that you see with your own eyes that you do not even know anything about, yet you speak about the Knowledge of the Creator?’

Then he asked me a question about ablution, and I erred in my response. So he explained it from four different angles (and asked me about them), and I was not correct in any of my responses.

So he said, ‘So you leave alone the knowledge of something which you are in need of five times a day, and instead you burden yourself with the knowledge of the Creator? When this (kind of thing) comes to your mind, then remember the statement of Allaah the Exalted,

“And your God is One God; there is no true god besides Him. He is the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy. Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth…” [Surah Al-Baqarah 2:163-164]

So use the creation as a proof for (the Greatness of) the Creator, and do not burden yourself with what is beyond your understanding.’

[Siyar A’laamin-Nubalaa‘ (10/31)]

[ovenco]

I don't agree with evolution but if i am not mistaken according to Hitler's beliefs Black people fit that description, as well as jews i suppose, but the thing is there were 'Jews'(Which is a broad term depending on how you define a Jew) in the Nazi, so 'Jews' could be evolved too (using that logic).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO6-P9RfztA

Hitler was an imbecile if he thought that blacks or Jews were intermediate species. A species is differentiated in science by its ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring. This definition rules out Jews and blacks as separate species.

On the other hand, breeding with an intermediate species should not yield fertile offspring, but children of interracial parents are able to reproduce, destroying this theory that different races are different species.