[duribass]

True Islam actually openly preaches that women are property and they are to be controlled by men.

Virgins awaiting those who make it to paradise, two women are said to be worth one man, men can marry (and hold "captive") "two, three or four" wives, women can be exchanged like property, "men are in charge of women", men are encouraged to punish women, males inherit twice what women do etc. etc.

If you have read any of the Koran, you could list more and more examples.

If that guy has actually read the Koran, and thinks it doesn't promote the subjugation of women,

If someone is Islamic and doesn't believes in equality of women.... then they're not a good Muslim.

[Vzkdgdqx]

True Islam actually openly preaches that women are property and they are to be controlled by men.

Virgins awaiting those who make it to paradise, two women are said to be worth one man, men can marry (and hold "captive") "two, three or four" wives, women can be exchanged like property, "men are in charge of women", men are encouraged to punish women, males inherit twice what women do etc. etc.

If you have read any of the Koran, you could list more and more examples.

If that guy has actually read the Koran, and thinks it doesn't promote the subjugation of women,

If someone is Islamic and doesn't believes in equality of women.... then they're not a good Muslim.

Wow. Are you here to tell us what we believe in? You might as well be humble and ask instead of dictate to Muslims what Islam teaches. I think you believe the Bible teaches you to be humble and to respect others, does it not?

1- The Bible, old and new testement, arent short of positions you mentioned towards women. If you (not you personally) dont follow your book, nor accept its teachings, then you might as well not claim to do so.

We on the other hand, arent apologetic. Our attitude is "we hear, and we obey". And "subjugation of women" is a relative issue. subjugation of women according to what?

As for marrying up to four wives. Look at the Bible, did you read it? Islam didnt allow or legislate marrying four. But earlier it was open, with no limits on number. The Torah and Injeel (Gospel) confirm this and never set any limitations. Only Islam did. Islam didnt start it, but rather restricted the number to four, and set limitations on equal treatment and mandatory obligations and rules related to their responsibilities. Also, non Muslims practices the same at the time. If you expect teachings to be in accordance of local laws of a small town in the midwest made up no more than 100 years ago, then you arent looking at things in their historical context. Therefore you'll have false premises leading to false conclusions.

Moreover, if you look at things with an open inquiring mind, and not a dictating one, and look at the series of events and laws in their historical context, you cannot possibly reach a conclusion other than "it makes sense", especially if you have a Christian or Jewish background. For instance, when a man had a newborn daughter, some would burry them alive, even if his tear is running down his cheek as his does so. In his mind hed be afraid that she'd dishonor him, or be captured during a war etc. Islam in the strongest terms ended this.

Women didnt have the right to inheritance, or any financial rights. Islam ended this, and made inheritance mandatory, and even made giving wife all of her financial needs mandatory as well. Theres no 50/50 ideas. If a man doesnt support his wife she can take him to court.

I recommend you dont actually tell others what they believe in. Thats not intelligent nor humble. Its supposedly against your religion too to have such qualities. One cannot ever learn without being humble and having an inquiring mind.

[new-nickname-zanovo]

True Islam actually openly preaches that women are property and they are to be controlled by men.

Where does it say that women are property. If its so is it permissible to sell ones wife? No.
If you are talking about slave women, then you should also have in mind all slaves can be sold be it Women or Men. So its not exclusive for women.

Women need protection and it is the 'Duty' of Men to do that.
And also have in mind after Allah and Rasoolullah one of the most respected position is that of a 'Mother' which only a woman can occupy.

[Vzkdgdqx]

Also Qur'aan teaches us the following :

"...And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messengers, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses. How should we not believe in Allah and that which hath come unto us of the Truth. And (how should we not) hope that our Lord will bring us in along with righteous folk? Allah hath rewarded them for that their saying - Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the reward of the good."

I hope you are one of them, and dont speak to Muslims with pride, telling them what they believe in.

[Vzkdgdqx]

Object of Despair - Declare your Freedom to the World


Emma is a lawyer
And so is Aisha too
Colleagues going into court
At circa half past two

Its 1 O'clock right now
They grab a bite before the trial
They chat about this and that
Conversing with a smile

Aisha is in full hijab
With a loose all over suit *
Emma's in her business wear
With accessories taboot

Emma's really quite bemused
At Aisha's godly ways
She looks Aisha in the eyes
And very firmly says

You're a smart girl Aisha
Why do you wear that across your hair?
Subjugated by "man"-kind
An object of despair

Take it off my sister
Let your banner be unfurled
Don't blindly follow all around
DECLARE YOUR FREEDOM TO THE WORLD

Aisha is amazed
But not the least bit shy
She bravely puts her milk shake down
And gives Emma the reply

My dear sister Emma,
Why do you dress the way you do?
The skirt you're wearing round your waist,
Is it really you?

Now that we've sat down,
I see you tug it across your thighs,
Do you feel ashamed?
Aware of prying eyes?

I see the way you're sitting,
Both legs joined at the knees,
Who forces you to sit like that?
Do you feel at ease?

I'll tell you who obliges you,
To dress the way you do,
Gucci, Klein and St. Laurent,
All have designs on you!

In the main, it's men my friend,
Who dictate the whims of fashion,
Generating all the garb,
To incite the basest passion

"Sex Sells" there is no doubt,
But who buys with such great haste,
The answer is the likes of you,
Because they want to be embraced......

They want to be accepted,
On a level playing field
Sure, with brain and intellect
But with body parts revealed

Intelligence and reason
Are useful by and by
But if you want to make a mark
Stay appealing to the eye

You claim your skirt is office like
A business dress of sorts
Would we not laugh at Tony Blair
If he turned up in shorts?

His could be the poshest pants
Pinstripe from Saville Rowe
But walking round like that my friend
He'd really have to go

Why do you douse yourself with creams
To make your skin so milky?
Why do rip off all your hair
To keep your body silky?

A simple shower's all you need
To stay respectable and clean
The time and money that you spend
Is really quite obscene

Why do you wake up at dawn,
To apply a firm foundation,
Topped with make up and the like,
In one chaotic combination?

And if you should have to leave the house
Devoid of this routine
Why do you feel so insecure
That you should not be seen?

Be free my sister Emma
Escape from your deep mire
Don hijab today my friend
And all Islam's attire

Avoid all those sickly stares
Or whistles from afar
Walk down the street with dignity
Take pride in who you are

Strength lies in anonymity
Be a shadow in the crowd
Until you speak and interact
When your voice will carry loud

You're a smart girl Emma
Wear this across your hair
Don't be subjugated by "man"-kind
An object of despair

To use your very words my friend
Let your banner be unfurled
Don't blindly follow all around

DECLARE YOUR FREEDOM TO THE WORLD

[tofRobbroolve]

Object of Despair - Declare your Freedom to the World


Emma is a lawyer
And so is Aisha too
Colleagues going into court
At circa half past two

Its 1 O'clock right now
They grab a bite before the trial
They chat about this and that
Conversing with a smile

Aisha is in full hijab
With a loose all over suit *
Emma's in her business wear
With accessories taboot

Emma's really quite bemused
At Aisha's godly ways
She looks Aisha in the eyes
And very firmly says

You're a smart girl Aisha
Why do you wear that across your hair?
Subjugated by "man"-kind
An object of despair

Take it off my sister
Let your banner be unfurled
Don't blindly follow all around
DECLARE YOUR FREEDOM TO THE WORLD

Aisha is amazed
But not the least bit shy
She bravely puts her milk shake down
And gives Emma the reply

My dear sister Emma,
Why do you dress the way you do?
The skirt you're wearing round your waist,
Is it really you?

Now that we've sat down,
I see you tug it across your thighs,
Do you feel ashamed?
Aware of prying eyes?

I see the way you're sitting,
Both legs joined at the knees,
Who forces you to sit like that?
Do you feel at ease?

I'll tell you who obliges you,
To dress the way you do,
Gucci, Klein and St. Laurent,
All have designs on you!

In the main, it's men my friend,
Who dictate the whims of fashion,
Generating all the garb,
To incite the basest passion

"Sex Sells" there is no doubt,
But who buys with such great haste,
The answer is the likes of you,
Because they want to be embraced......

They want to be accepted,
On a level playing field
Sure, with brain and intellect
But with body parts revealed

Intelligence and reason
Are useful by and by
But if you want to make a mark
Stay appealing to the eye

You claim your skirt is office like
A business dress of sorts
Would we not laugh at Tony Blair
If he turned up in shorts?

His could be the poshest pants
Pinstripe from Saville Rowe
But walking round like that my friend
He'd really have to go

Why do you douse yourself with creams
To make your skin so milky?
Why do rip off all your hair
To keep your body silky?

A simple shower's all you need
To stay respectable and clean
The time and money that you spend
Is really quite obscene

Why do you wake up at dawn,
To apply a firm foundation,
Topped with make up and the like,
In one chaotic combination?

And if you should have to leave the house
Devoid of this routine
Why do you feel so insecure
That you should not be seen?

Be free my sister Emma
Escape from your deep mire
Don hijab today my friend
And all Islam's attire

Avoid all those sickly stares
Or whistles from afar
Walk down the street with dignity
Take pride in who you are

Strength lies in anonymity
Be a shadow in the crowd
Until you speak and interact
When your voice will carry loud

You're a smart girl Emma
Wear this across your hair
Don't be subjugated by "man"-kind
An object of despair

To use your very words my friend
Let your banner be unfurled
Don't blindly follow all around

DECLARE YOUR FREEDOM TO THE WORLD

Salam alikum,

what a great and cheerful poem

[Z3s9vQZj]

True Islam actually openly preaches that women are property and they are to be controlled by men.

Virgins awaiting those who make it to paradise, two women are said to be worth one man, men can marry (and hold "captive") "two, three or four" wives, women can be exchanged like property, "men are in charge of women", men are encouraged to punish women, males inherit twice what women do etc. etc.

If you have read any of the Koran, you could list more and more examples.

If that guy has actually read the Koran, and thinks it doesn't promote the subjugation of women,

If someone is Islamic and doesn't believes in equality of women.... then they're not a good Muslim.

Dear darling BUHUMULU unfortunately your claims are totally absurb. women are not controlled and oppressed by men, or at least islam does'nt teach them to oppose and oppress women... dont you know that rasoolullah salalahualiahiwasallam said: the best of you are those who are kind to their wives and i am most kind to my wives (im not sure if these r the exact words but as far as i remember). also can you answer why women all over the globe are converting to islam if islam is so oppressive to its women? do you know that 70% of reverts are women! its amazing that non-muslims can see the light and justice of islam whereas muslims look for faults with it. sad (sigh)- very sad indeed.

[Immusaatmonna]

This is a question on the same general topic:

To my (limited) knowledge on the subject, nowhere in the quran does it say that martyrs (which all suicide bombers incorrectly advertise themselves as) will recieve 70 virgins in heaven as their reward. Is this something made up my non-believers to tarnish Islams reputation??

[famosetroie]

“Be very careful if you make a woman cry, because God counts her tears. The woman came out of a man’s rib. Not from his feet to be walked on. Not from his head to be superior, but from the side to be equal. Under the arm to be protected, and next to the heart to be loved.” 

women never were a property to men. If property is the definition of "owning" as in marriage, then men are also the properties of their wives.

And it's not 72/70 virgins that are waiting for the shaheed, it's 'houri', or waitresses . And a muslimah who enters jannah is more beautiful than the most beautiful female resident of jannah. An angel if shown her face on this earth would outshine the sun by her beauty, and yet a muslimah is much more beautiful than those angels.

Those angels are said to be the flowers of jannah, but Allah said the real flowers of jannah are muslimah (which I take it as the muslimah will outshine the angels in the jannah )

[LfYaRf1S]

This is a question on the same general topic:

To my (limited) knowledge on the subject, nowhere in the quran does it say that martyrs (which all suicide bombers incorrectly advertise themselves as) will recieve 70 virgins in heaven as their reward. Is this something made up my non-believers to tarnish Islams reputation??

Once and for all:



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