[emuffette]

I want to say this clearly & categorically to all Muslims that any person who Denies that maula Ali(as) was not on Haq in Jang-e-Jamal & Siffien etc ..he is not from Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamat Sawad-e-Aazam !
From Imam Abu Al Hasan Ashari to Imam Maturidi Imam Tahawi Imam Nasawi & till today Shyakh- ul-haq Muhadith Dehalvi , Imma Behaqi Imam Shahristani infact 1400 of Islamic Literatre of aqeeda Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamat Sawad-e-Aazam speaks that all Imams Fuqaha Muhaditeen have acceped this reality that Maula Ali was on Truth !!! After battle of Siffien Maula Ali has predicted the situation of Muslim Ummah( Sunni Shia Rifts) Imam Ali (as) (in Nahj-ul-Balaga) has described the Characteristics of people having Khawarji ideology. He said "
With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf.

Beware; whoever calls to this course, kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine. "

Maula Ali(as) mentioned two extreme Parties will go astray from right path. 1 Group in excess love of Ali(as) and 2nd group because of Bugaz-e-Ali (as) now question arises who was that group which was with Maula Ali...that group was very moderate in approach !that saved group was of sawad-e-aazam.

Maula Ali(as) predction were right and true today we can easliy see these two groups one group targetting Abusing Sihabas Companions in excess love of Maula Ali and other group group of khawarjies who praise Yazeed and say RA for him....this is the same group who left imam ali(as) Laskar Army during Jang-e-jamal & siffien & Abused Maula Al. all these events are mentioned in Shia Texts Nahj ul Balaga.

The Nigah-e-Wilayat-e-Maula Ali(as) was seeing the future happenings & conflicts which will arise in the Ummah.he had warned us from fitnas which will emerge later in the Islamic History..as we have seen that later it happened in Banu Ummaya Government ..maula ali predicted about the fitnas which will arise in Ummayad Government..that there will emerge a group of foolish people who will be having bugas-e-Ali like Yazeed and his lovers maulvie takfiri group... who will abuse maula ali & Ahl-e-Bait and will ban to take his name on Masajids etc..and later this chain continued in Abbasid Government..it was done openly in Ummmayd Government and later in Abbasid's under leader ship of caliph abu jafar al mansoor .Abbasid came in power on the name of Hub-eAli and got sympathies with them) it was done secretly by Abbasid's ..To take revenge from banu Ummay Abbasid eploited the karbala and got sympathies of Muhiban-e-Mula Ali(as) then they take the government killed lacs of people of Ummayad to get trust of Lovers of Ali(as) just to show that Abbasid's are true love rof mauala ali..these kahrjies of Abbasid's had gone to such a low level and they they even used the black flags and imamas to to deceive the mohiban e ali ... but when Abbasid government get stroger...then these hypocrite later started to Kill many Imams & Aaima of Ahl-e-Bait like Imam Musa Kazim Imam Ali Riza(as) etc .beacuse Bugaz-e-Ali started in ummay and then later its was utilized by abbasid's
because Abbasids had danger from Ahl-e-Bait because Hazrat Imam Hasan-e-Mujtaba(as) had done arbitration with hazrat ameer Muawya that later khilfat was to be given back to Hazrat Imam Hasan-e-Mujtaba(as) but this didnt happend and khilafat wa given to yazeed lanti no one was aware of this fact that later this yazeed lanti will go to such a low leval(& become kafir) that he will kill imam hussian. even hazrat Ameer Muwaya had serverly warned yazeed to never ever disrespect Imma Hussian(as) in anyway possible.After incident of Karbala the recation had taken a stronger grip which was predicted by Hazrat Ali as.he had warned the ummah that do not go to extremes even if you defend me or in my love ...don't open your mouth for beloved companions sihabas khulafa-e-Rashideen in reaction. because they have nothing to do with these incidents.

Referance Nahjul Balagha Sermon 127 of Ameer al-Mu'mineen, the Commander of the Faithful, Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (a.s.)

Dr.Tahir Ul Qadri

[Kolovorotkes]

His argument is weak and too biased, i think i'll pass. Shias do not excessively love Imam Ali. That is a lie. They love Muhammed (Pbuh) and his prodigeny.

[Ayyfjicg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flVszFVefGs

[Hervams]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flVszFVefGs

How can this Shia Sunni unity and brothers in Islam happen when , currently the word is spread and posted by syrians on youtube that Iran and Hezbollah are helping the Nusayri(Alawi shia) Bashar Assad and his Shabiah thugs to kill Syrians. What is this dream of Shia Sunni brothering out with each other when at the core they are not ready to accept . I dont mean to spark a Fitnah or a debate here, I am ready to go ahead with peace with Shia people. In our daily lives we dont fight with each other and are often at times friends. But at a Geopolitcal level, the government of Iran , hezbollah and Sunni governments have to have a sincere relationship with each other, which seems like a far fetched idea so far. I mean we can all be hypocritical with each other here in the west and say oh we are brothers and blablabla...where as our hearts are attached back home and each supporting the atrocities of their governments, clerics and sources of guidance.

[Fuerfsanv]

His argument is weak and too biased, i think i'll pass. Shias do not excessively love Imam Ali. That is a lie. They love Muhammed (Pbuh) and his prodigeny.

taqiyyah

[Bill-Watson]

taqiyyah

why do you say that? you should give the brother a chance. if you think that he is a shia then just ask him. no muslim would lie to another muslim.

brother granturismo please clarify if you are a shia or not so we can put this matter to an end, otherwise this thread is going to go off-topic.

[glagoliska]

[QUOTE=Granturismo92;649230]His argument is weak and too biased, i think i'll pass. Shias do not excessively love Imam Ali. That is a lie. They love Muhammed (Pbuh) and his prodigeny.

they love muhammed salalahu-alaihiwasallam but they insult, mock and hate who HE (peace b upon him) loved!!! thats the weakest type of love one can have.

[Hervams]

And the belief of shia regarding the Sahaba is actually an indirect Slander and insult of our Prophet SW that he failed to groom his companions and his job was undone cuz mojority of them became murtads kafirs Nauzubillah!...This is blasphemy of the Risalat.

[replicaypu]

On the one hand the Shia are vociferous when it comes to Bahrain,,, but when the Brother Bishar does the same thing to the Syrian Sunnis they remain silent

The world today is filled with Hypocrisy , May Allah most gracious protect us from this evil trait