[Zenthachall]

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

I have noticed that most expert reciters from the middle east recite the Ikhfaa with a full mouth if the Noon Saakin is followed by a full mouth letter, but reciters from the Indian sub-continent do not do so and they recite all the Ikhfaa in the same empty mouth manner.

Does anyone know why?

[Kolovorotkes]

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

I have noticed that most expert reciters from the middle east recite the Ikhfaa with a full mouth if the Noon Saakin is followed by a full mouth letter, but reciters from the Indian sub-continent do not do so and they recite all the Ikhfaa in the same empty mouth manner.

Does anyone know why?

From what my tajwid teacher has taught us, the nun sakin will be affected by the letter proceeding it because it is leading up to the pronunciation of that letter. So if the letter proceeding is a heavy/emphatic letter, the nun will be pronounced towards the heavier side which could lead to the full-mouth. But your right, I've seen both ways being done but I'm not sure if it affects the pronunciation.

[MarythePuppy6]

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

I have noticed that most expert reciters from the middle east recite the Ikhfaa with a full mouth if the Noon Saakin is followed by a full mouth letter, but reciters from the Indian sub-continent do not do so and they recite all the Ikhfaa in the same empty mouth manner.

Does anyone know why?

This was mentioned by my tajweed teacher, who studied in India, but he could not find it mentioned in any of the urdu books he uses. I read about it in the tajweed book by Kareema Cezerepinski.

[8Uxtkz7F]

How do you pronounce an Ikhfaa' with a full mouth?

[JessePex]

The difference is between the ghunna of, for example, "من صلصال" and "من دون", I'm assuming.

[MarythePuppy6]

Assalamu Alaikum

To say the ghunnah with complete technique, it is necessary that the heaviness or lightness of the letter that follows the ikhfa of a noon sakinah is observed during the gunnah. If the noon saakinah or tanween is folowed by one of these letters: ( ص ض ط ق ظ) the ghunna then will have tafkheem (or be heavy). This tafkheem will be the same rank of tafkheem which the next letter will have depending on its vowel, and whether or not there is an alif after it.

Tajweed rules of the Quran
Kareema Carol Czerepinski

[SkeniaInhilla]

That rule and its opposite being applied in action. Listen to the the 14th Ayah in Surah Ar Rahmaan:

http://tanzil.net/#55:14

[nannysuetle]

http://www.quranicsciences.com/tajwe...ormonid=214567

You might have to sign up . Its free. But do check out different examples.

[ddxbovMQ]

Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem
Assalaamu 'alaykum.

Teachers of Tajweed from Syria teach the full/empty ikhfaa of the noon-saakin & tanween. After consultation and reading up I found that teachers from the subcontinent say that they can find no basis for the different type of Ikhfaa made depending on the letters of tafkheem and tarqeeq which follow. The following is from my notes, i hope it helps and any mistake found in it is from myself..and Allah ta'ala knows best:

Therefore the correct method of pronouncing the Ikhfaa Haqiqi is as follows:
Place the edge of the tongue very close to the Makhraj of Noon and pronounce the Ghunnah from the Khayshoom to the length of 2 harkats (as long as one alif which is equal to 2 harkats ) i.e. the tongue will remain touching the palate VERY lightly, almost as though not touching.


Being described in one book it says “the tongue does not pronounce the Noon FULLY from its makhraj”

In an urdu tajweed book it says:

حرف مخفی کو اظحار اور ادغام کی درمیانی حالت سے پڑھنے کو اخفاء کہتے ہیں – درمیانی حالت سے ادا کرنے کا مطلب یہ ہے کہ حرف مُخفي اپنے مخرج سے کامل طور پر ادا نہ ہو بلکہ ضعیف ادا ہو۔ جب نون ساکن اور تنوین میں اخفاء کیاجاۓگا تو اس وقت کنارۂ زبان مسوڑھوں سے بہت تھوڑا اور نرمی سے ملایں گے

[MarythePuppy6]

http://www.quranicsciences.com/tajwe...ormonid=214567

You might have to sign up . Its free. But do check out different examples.

Walikum Salam Maulana

Could you please listen to these examples http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post642664

and then explain why the as sidq sounds are different to the quransciences sound

Jazak Allah

[jyhugikuhih]

Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem
Assalaamu 'alaykum.

Teachers of Tajweed from Syria teach the full/empty ikhfaa of the noon-saakin & tanween. After consultation and reading up I found that teachers from the subcontinent say that they can find no basis for the different type of Ikhfaa made depending on the letters of tafkheem and tarqeeq which follow. The following is from my notes, i hope it helps and any mistake found in it is from myself..and Allah ta'ala knows best:

Therefore the correct method of pronouncing the Ikhfaa Haqiqi is as follows:
Place the edge of the tongue very close to the Makhraj of Noon and pronounce the Ghunnah from the Khayshoom to the length of 2 harkats (as long as one alif which is equal to 2 harkats ) i.e. the tongue will remain touching the palate VERY lightly, almost as though not touching.


Being described in one book it says “the tongue does not pronounce the Noon FULLY from its makhraj”

In an urdu tajweed book it says:

حرف مخفی کو اظحار اور ادغام کی درمیانی حالت سے پڑھنے کو اخفاء کہتے ہیں – درمیانی حالت سے ادا کرنے کا مطلب یہ ہے کہ حرف مُخفي اپنے مخرج سے کامل طور پر ادا نہ ہو بلکہ ضعیف ادا ہو۔ جب نون ساکن اور تنوین میں اخفاء کیاجاۓگا تو اس وقت کنارۂ زبان مسوڑھوں سے بہت تھوڑا اور نرمی سے ملایں گے

i would go with the ulama from syria on this one. simply because the standard in Damascus is so high. I know of a sheikh who visited a darul Uloom once & said to his guid to the madrasah that i wouldnt give ijazah to any of the teachers in this institute let alone the students. from my own personal experience with the "qari sabs" not all but many have an empty title. its as if ijazah for saba' qiraat was going on wholesale from a chinese ship. in the arab world you not going to get ijazah that easy. just reading the quran with a sheikh listening is not enough.