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I read somewhere in either Bukhari or Muslim that Syedna RasulUllah said sometime around the conquest of Mecca (or was it Hunayn?) something to the effect that "do not trouble me about my Sahaba", meaning thereby the old companions (who had been with him at least before the Battle of Ditch or perhaps at Hudaybia?). Does this mean that Sahaba in the real sense were the older companions who had been with the Prophet in difficult times? (May God forgive me if I am wrong in what amounts to nothing more than a stray reflection on the said Hadith)

[Yswxomvy]

I read somewhere in either Bukhari or Muslim that Syedna RasulUllah said sometime around the conquest of Mecca (or was it Hunayn?) something to the effect that "do not trouble me about my Sahaba", meaning thereby the old companions (who had been with him at least before the Battle of Ditch or perhaps at Hudaybia?). Does this mean that Sahaba in the real sense were the older companions who had been with the Prophet in difficult times? (May God forgive me if I am wrong in what amounts to nothing more than a stray reflection on the said Hadith)

Salaam

So sorry to see no replies to your thread.

[gabbaman]

I read somewhere in either Bukhari or Muslim that Syedna RasulUllah said sometime around the conquest of Mecca (or was it Hunayn?) something to the effect that "do not trouble me about my Sahaba", meaning thereby the old companions (who had been with him at least before the Battle of Ditch or perhaps at Hudaybia?). Does this mean that Sahaba in the real sense were the older companions who had been with the Prophet in difficult times? (May God forgive me if I am wrong in what amounts to nothing more than a stray reflection on the said Hadith) There are different types of Sahabah. In here the Prophet (Salla Allahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) was talking about those who had fought with him in the earlier battles of Islam. So these types of Ahadith are talking about the seniority in Sahabah, and the different ranks amongst them. But technically the definition of Sahabah includes all those who saw the Prophet (Salla Allahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) believed in him and died as Muslims. So in here the Hadith is not using the technical meaning, but rather pointing to a sub-classification among the Sahabah.

[PymnImmen]

Peace be upon us all,

The Companions of the Prophet SAWS have different ranks based on their virtue, their superiority and based on how long they accompanied the Prophet SAWS, here is how the scholars categorise them:

Who were the first to enter Islam?

1- From the free men: Abu bakr al-Siddiq (ra).
2- From the young kids: Ali ibn abi Talib (ra).
3- From the women: Khadija bint Khuwaylid (ra).
4- From the Mawali: Zaid bin Harithah (ra).
5- From the ‘Abeed: Bilal ibn Rabah (ra).

The Mawali are the non-Arabs at the time who were treated as second grade citizens by Quraysh and they were not allowed to participate in politics.
The ‘Abeed are the slaves.

They differed in the number of Tabaqat(Classes), Ibn Sa’ad (rah) adopted the position that there were only five Tabaqat and this is what he used in his book “Tabaqat Ibn Sa’ad al-Kubra” however the more correct position is that of al-Hakim (rah) and he placed twelve Tabaqat:

1- Those who came first into Islam in Mecca such as the first four Caliphs.

2- Companions who entered Islam before the consultation of the people of Mecca in Darul-Nadwah.

3- Those who made Hijrah to al-Habashah (Abyssinia).

4- The Companions of the first ‘Aqabah and they were twelve men from the Ansar.

5- The Companions of the second ‘Aqabah and they were mainly from the Ansar except for Ibn Abbas (ra).

6- The Mouhajirun who reached the Prophet SAWS in Qubaa before he entered al-Madinah.

7- Ahlu-Badr (Soldiers who fought at the battle of Badr).

8- Those who made Hijra between Badr and al-Hudaibiyah.

9- Ahlu-Baya’at al-Rudwan (Those who took the oath of fealty under the acacia tree at Hudaibiyah).

10- Those who made Hijrah between al-Hudaibiyah and Fath Mecca (conquest of Mecca) such as: Khalid ibn al-Walid and ‘Amro bin al-‘Aas.

11- Muslimat Fath, those who embraced Islam on the day of the conquest of Mecca.

12- Those of them who were children and they saw the Prophet SAWS on the day of the conquest, the farewell sermon and other occasions.

[Yswxomvy]

Peace be upon us all,

The Companions of the Prophet SAWS have different ranks based on their virtue, their superiority and based on how long they accompanied the Prophet SAWS, here is how the scholars categorise them:

Who were the first to enter Islam?

1- From the free men: Abu bakr al-Siddiq (ra).
2- From the young kids: Ali ibn abi Talib (ra).
3- From the women: Khadija bint Khuwaylid (ra).
4- From the Mawali: Zaid bin Harithah (ra).
5- From the ‘Abeed: Bilal ibn Rabah (ra).

The Mawali are the non-Arabs at the time who were treated as second grade citizens by Quraysh and they were not allowed to participate in politics.
The ‘Abeed are the slaves.

They differed in the number of Tabaqat(Classes), Ibn Sa’ad (rah) adopted the position that there were only five Tabaqat and this is what he used in his book “Tabaqat Ibn Sa’ad al-Kubra” however the more correct position is that of al-Hakim (rah) and he placed twelve Tabaqat:

1- Those who came first into Islam in Mecca such as the first four Caliphs.

2- Companions who entered Islam before the consultation of the people of Mecca in Darul-Nadwah.

3- Those who made Hijrah to al-Habashah (Abyssinia).

4- The Companions of the first ‘Aqabah and they were twelve men from the Ansar.

5- The Companions of the second ‘Aqabah and they were mainly from the Ansar except for Ibn Abbas (ra).

6- The Mouhajirun who reached the Prophet SAWS in Qubaa before he entered al-Madinah.

7- Ahlu-Badr (Soldiers who fought at the battle of Badr).

8- Those who made Hijra between Badr and al-Hudaibiyah.

9- Ahlu-Baya’at al-Rudwan (Those who took the oath of fealty under the acacia tree at Hudaibiyah).

10- Those who made Hijrah between al-Hudaibiyah and Fath Mecca (conquest of Mecca) such as: Khalid ibn al-Walid and ‘Amro bin al-‘Aas.

11- Muslimat Fath, those who embraced Islam on the day of the conquest of Mecca.

12- Those of them who were children and they saw the Prophet SAWS on the day of the conquest, the farewell sermon and other occasions.

Salaam

Doest this sound like casts just like hinduism in islam.....i mean look at those bold letters in your quote, and now read following from hinduism especially brahmin's made rules;

Early Indian texts like the Manusmriti and the Puranas speak of 'Varna,' which means order, type or colour. It groups the society into four idealised main types as follows.
Brahmins (scholars, teachers, priests)
Kshatriyas (warriors, kings, administrators)
Vaishyas (agriculturists, merchants)
Shudras (artisans, service providers)

Do you think Islam allows it too?

[Yswxomvy]

Peace be upon us all,

The Companions of the Prophet SAWS have different ranks based on their virtue, their superiority and based on how long they accompanied the Prophet SAWS, here is how the scholars categorise them:

Who were the first to enter Islam?

1- From the free men: Abu bakr al-Siddiq (ra).
2- From the young kids: Ali ibn abi Talib (ra).
3- From the women: Khadija bint Khuwaylid (ra).
4- From the Mawali: Zaid bin Harithah (ra).
5- From the ‘Abeed: Bilal ibn Rabah (ra).

The Mawali are the non-Arabs at the time who were treated as second grade citizens by Quraysh and they were not allowed to participate in politics.
The ‘Abeed are the slaves.

They differed in the number of Tabaqat(Classes), Ibn Sa’ad (rah) adopted the position that there were only five Tabaqat and this is what he used in his book “Tabaqat Ibn Sa’ad al-Kubra” however the more correct position is that of al-Hakim (rah) and he placed twelve Tabaqat:

1- Those who came first into Islam in Mecca such as the first four Caliphs.

2- Companions who entered Islam before the consultation of the people of Mecca in Darul-Nadwah.

3- Those who made Hijrah to al-Habashah (Abyssinia).

4- The Companions of the first ‘Aqabah and they were twelve men from the Ansar.

5- The Companions of the second ‘Aqabah and they were mainly from the Ansar except for Ibn Abbas (ra).

6- The Mouhajirun who reached the Prophet SAWS in Qubaa before he entered al-Madinah.

7- Ahlu-Badr (Soldiers who fought at the battle of Badr).

8- Those who made Hijra between Badr and al-Hudaibiyah.

9- Ahlu-Baya’at al-Rudwan (Those who took the oath of fealty under the acacia tree at Hudaibiyah).

10- Those who made Hijrah between al-Hudaibiyah and Fath Mecca (conquest of Mecca) such as: Khalid ibn al-Walid and ‘Amro bin al-‘Aas.

11- Muslimat Fath, those who embraced Islam on the day of the conquest of Mecca.

12- Those of them who were children and they saw the Prophet SAWS on the day of the conquest, the farewell sermon and other occasions.

question: Last sermon of holy prophet s.a.w is unauthentic?

[avitalporatova]

Salaam

Doest this sound like casts just like hinduism in islam.....i mean look at those bold letters in your quote, and now read following from hinduism especially brahmin's made rules;

Early Indian texts like the Manusmriti and the Puranas speak of 'Varna,' which means order, type or colour. It groups the society into four idealised main types as follows.
Brahmins (scholars, teachers, priests)
Kshatriyas (warriors, kings, administrators)
Vaishyas (agriculturists, merchants)
Shudras (artisans, service providers)

Do you think Islam allows it too?

he is talking about the classifications that were given by the non-muslim arabs before islam took hold of the region.

[Yswxomvy]

Pardon my ignorance but who you meant by 'he'??? i mean who was talking about the class. ?

[Yswxomvy]

I read somewhere in either Bukhari or Muslim that Syedna RasulUllah said sometime around the conquest of Mecca (or was it Hunayn?) something to the effect that "do not trouble me about my Sahaba", meaning thereby the old companions (who had been with him at least before the Battle of Ditch or perhaps at Hudaybia?). Does this mean that Sahaba in the real sense were the older companions who had been with the Prophet in difficult times? (May God forgive me if I am wrong in what amounts to nothing more than a stray reflection on the said Hadith)

Question: What is right for a muslim to select if it is given in Quran and Hadith?

Ofcourse Sahih Hadiths is also appreciated but is it at the same level in giving definitions of something, such as 'who were sahaba, were only the companions of difficult time or what time'?

[PymnImmen]

Salaam

Doest this sound like casts just like hinduism in islam.....i mean look at those bold letters in your quote, and now read following from hinduism especially brahmin's made rules;

Early Indian texts like the Manusmriti and the Puranas speak of 'Varna,' which means order, type or colour. It groups the society into four idealised main types as follows.
Brahmins (scholars, teachers, priests)
Kshatriyas (warriors, kings, administrators)
Vaishyas (agriculturists, merchants)
Shudras (artisans, service providers)

Do you think Islam allows it too?

No it's not like casts, you made a false comparison.

Salam,

[Yswxomvy]

No it's not like casts, you made a false comparison.

Salam,

Salaam

Thanks for calling my comparison false. Could you please provide me with proper comparison? Because to me No Arab has no superiority over Ajam and vice versa is more authentic then the given classification!!!?

[PymnImmen]

Salaam

Thanks for calling my comparison false. Could you please provide me with proper comparison? Because to me No Arab has no superiority over Ajam and vice versa is more authentic then the given classification!!!?

That's because you never understood my post in the first place and when the brother explained it you replied to him by saying "Who's he".

Dividing people by cast is diving them based on the following:
1-Their wealth.
2-Their blood-line.
3-Their Jobs.
and so on...

The System of Tabaqat which I mentioned classes the companions (as) based on how early they adopted Islam and how much sacrifices they put into Islam regardless of their tribes, their wealth or their race.

As for that thing you highlighted in bold that was just the explanation of the word "Mawla" in the Arabic language, and it shows how they were treated before Islam.

[Yswxomvy]

Peace be upon us all,


The Mawali are the non-Arabs at the time who were treated as second grade citizens by Quraysh and they were not allowed to participate in politics.
The ‘Abeed are the slaves.

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In Brahmanism, other then them could not preach, Kasth for so reason and Shudras were considered lowest, participating in politics was also restricted to certain cast. That's why i thought it like that. Also rather than any such classification, Quran majeed has given clear definition of the thread question

Allah ho alam

[Maribellin]

Peace be upon us all,

The Companions of the Prophet SAWS have different ranks based on their virtue, their superiority and based on how long they accompanied the Prophet SAWS, here is how the scholars categorise them:

Who were the first to enter Islam?

1- From the free men: Abu bakr al-Siddiq (ra).
2- From the young kids: Ali ibn abi Talib (ra).
3- From the women: Khadija bint Khuwaylid (ra).
4- From the Mawali: Zaid bin Harithah (ra).
5- From the ‘Abeed: Bilal ibn Rabah (ra).

Obviously Abu bakr (ra), Umar Al Farooq (ra) and Uthman bin Affan (ra) had special status, because of their immense contribution to Islam.

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 20:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiya:
I asked my father ('Ali bin Abi Talib), "Who are the best people after Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "Abu Bakr." I asked, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar. " I was afraid he would say "Uthman, so I said, "Then you?" He said, "I am only an ordinary person."

[Yswxomvy]

Obviously Abu bakr (ra), Umar Al Farooq (ra) and Uthman bin Affan (ra) had special status, because of their immense contribution to Islam.

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 20:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiya:
I asked my father ('Ali bin Abi Talib), "Who are the best people after Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "Abu Bakr." I asked, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar. " I was afraid he would say "Uthman, so I said, "Then you?" He said, "I am only an ordinary person."

This means Hz Ali r.a is also denying regarding brother tripoly's classification. He is calling himself an ordinary person. Free from any classification. Thank you for the help.

[avitalporatova]

This means Hz Ali r.a is also denying regarding brother tripoly's classification. He is calling himself an ordinary person. Free from any classification. Thank you for the help.

seriously you have completely misunderstood brother tripoly. i think it would be best if you ask for a clarification instead of letting your mind run away and make things fit with what you want.

as for Hazrat Ali (radiallahhu anhu), how else would you expect one of the greatest companions to reply if not with humility and humbleness? if the same question was to have been put to Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Uthman (radiallahu anhum) then they would also have replied with the same humility.

no one is better than another except those who are better in piety. and from amongst the sahaba, logically some were better in piety than the other. but that is not for us to judge as we are not even worth the dust under their feet!

[Yswxomvy]

seriously you have completely misunderstood brother tripoly. i think it would be best if you ask for a clarification instead of letting your mind run away and make things fit with what you want.

as for Hazrat Ali (radiallahhu anhu), how else would you expect one of the greatest companions to reply if not with humility and humbleness? if the same question was to have been put to Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Uthman (radiallahu anhum) then they would also have replied with the same humility.

no one is better than another except those who are better in piety. and from amongst the sahaba, logically some were better in piety than the other. but that is not for us to judge as we are not even worth the dust under their feet!

I agree with you sir but i think this is bidah of people who started such classifications as per Hz. Abu Bakr r.a or Hz. Umer r.a or even Hz. Uthman would not say such things that i am superior to him or them etc etc. They definitely followed what Rasool s.a.w said and consider them self ordinary person even after having such highest posts on taqwa then how come they entered into books such sayings or was that classification was brother tripoly's self statement??

[avitalporatova]

I agree with you sir but i think this is bidah of people who started such classifications as per Hz. Abu Bakr r.a or Hz. Umer r.a or even Hz. Uthman would not say such things that i am superior to him or them etc etc. They definitely followed what Rasool s.a.w said and consider them self ordinary person even after having such highest posts on taqwa then how come they entered into books such sayings or was that classification was brother tripoly's self statement??

you have completely lost me mate....

[Maribellin]

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 14:

Narrated 'Amr bin Al-As (ra):

The Prophet deputed me to read the Army of Dhat-as-Salasil. I came to him and said, "Who is the most beloved person to you?" He said, " 'Aisha(ra)" I asked, "Among the men?" He said, "Her father.(Abu bakr )" I said, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar bin Al-Khattab." He then named other men.

[PymnImmen]

Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward - (4:95)

And why do you not spend in the cause of Allah while to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth? Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquest [of Makkah] and fought [and those who did so after it]. Those are greater in degree than they who spent afterwards and fought. But to all Allah has promised the best [reward]. And Allah, with what you do, is Acquainted. (57:10)