[Alexunda]

i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

[MpNelQTU]

Its best to put your (or his) question to the people who are more likely to know:

Tasawwuf.org: Contact

[bubbachew14]

i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

Ijazah and Bayah mean two different things. Which do you mean?

[KixdricyArrip]

You mean bro Dawood Beale?

i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

[Alexunda]

You mean bro Dawood Beale?

no the bro is from a different forum

[Alexunda]

Its best to put your (or his) question to the people who are more likely to know:

Tasawwuf.org: Contact

the bro said he has but got no response from them

[SpecialOFFER]

I am also curious about the relation between Sayyidina Abu Bakr as-Siddiq and Sayyidina Salman al-Farsi . On which basis do the chains proceed from the first Khalifah with the latter in particular?

[Alexunda]

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i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

Actually brother, you need to understand the concept of Shaikh and the concept of Bay't.

The concept of Bay'ah is to make Tobah at the hands of the Shaikh. It is a pledge of Tobah. Bay't e Tobah.

The concept of Suhbah of Shaikh is derived from the Ayah, وكونوا مع الصادقين

Now let us understand that Hazrat Abu Bakr did Tobah (bayt) on the hands of Rasool Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم. Hazrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه attained the level of Nisbat e Ittihaadi with Rasool Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم due to excessive companionship with him (suhbah). He was totally colored with the colors of Rasool Allah . This is called Nisbat e Ittihadi. That you become one with your Shaikh in the sense that you follow him in everything.

So after Rasool Allah , sahaba turned towards other Sahaba for Masaail, advices, Islah and other things. Hazrat Salman Farsi didn't do a Bayt of Tobah at the hands of Hazrat Abu Bakr cause he had already done it on the hands of Rasool Allah . Instead he had given Bayt of Khailafah to him. And he stayed in his company. Hazrat Abu Bakr did not give Ijazah for making mureeds to him because Sahaba didn't need any Ijazah. All of them were Sadiqeen and they sat in company of Elder Sahaba.

But as time passed, proper Ijazahs were given due to the fact that not everyone was qualified to cure your spiritual diseases. The mureed stayed with Shaikh for a long time. The shaikh would first purify (tazkiyah) the mureeds batin. Then he would see, If the mureed had the qualities of Guiding other people and purifying them, the Shaikh would give Ijazah to him for doing so. It is just like how a medical doctor has to do practice with an experienced doctor before he can open up his own Clinic.

Please ask if you didn't understand it.

[itepearce]

i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

yes, that's true !

[SpecialOFFER]

Jazak'Allah for the clarification Maulana sahab. Can you also clarify why it is Sayyidina Salman al-Farsi who follows in the chain(s) after Sayyidina Abu Bakr ? Was there a special relationship between them or could it also have been any other Sahabi?

[Tjfyojlg]

However I find it strange that it suddenly moves from the Arab lands and the Madinah During the days of Ja'afar and ends up in Delhi and such instead of staying in Madinah or Baghdad or Sham which were minarets of knowledge during those days:

1. The mercy for the worlds Rasulullah [Holy City of Madinah Munawwarah].

2. Sayyedina Hadrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (radiallahu anhu) [Holy City of Madinah Munawwarah].

3. Hadrat Salman Farsi (radiallahu anhu) [Madain].

4. Hadrat Qasim bin Muhammad bin Abi Bakr (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Holy City of Madinah Munawwarah].

5. Hadrat Imam Jafar Sadiq (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Holy City of Madinah Munawwarah].

6. Hadrat Khuwaja Bayazeed Bustami (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bastam].

7. Hadrat Khuwaja Abul Hasan Kharkani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Kharkhan].

8. Hadrat Khuwaja Abul Qasim Gorgani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Jarjan].

9. Hadrat Khuwaja Abu Ali Farmadi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Mashad].

10. Hadrat Khuwaja Yusuf Hamdani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Turkistan].

11. Hadrat Khuwaja Abdul Khaliq Gajadwani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

12. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Arif Riogri (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Tajikistan].

13. Hadrat Khuwaja Mehmood Injir Faghnavi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

14. Hadrat Khuwaja Azizane Ali Raamitni (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

15. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Baba Samasi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

16. Hadrat Khuwaja Sayyed Amir Kalal (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

17. Hadrat Khuwaja Bahauddin Naqshband Bukhari (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

18. Hadrat Khuwaja Ala'uddin Attar (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Hassar].

19. Hadrat Khuwaja Yaqoob Charkhi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Dushanbe].

20. Hadrat Khuwaja Ubaidullah Ahrar (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Samarqand].

21. Hadrat Khuwaja Maulana Muhammad Zahid (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Hassar].

22. Hadrat Khuwaja Darvish Muhammad (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Sher Sabz].

23. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Amkangi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Bukhara].

24. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Baqibillah (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi]

25. Hadrat Khuwaja Mujaddid Alf-Thani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Sirhind Sharif].

26. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Masoom (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Sirhind Sharif].

27. Hadrat Khuwaja Saifuddin (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Sirhind Sharif].

28. Hadrat Khuwaja Hafiz Muhammad Muhsin (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi].

29. Hadrat Khuwaja Sayed Nur Muhammad Badaiooni (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi].

30. Hadrat Mirza Mazhar Janejana (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi].

31. Hadrat Shah Ghulam Ali Mujaddidi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi].

32. Hadrat Khuwaja Shah Abu Sa'eed (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Delhi].

33. Hadrat Khuwaja Shah Ahmed Sa'eed Dehlvi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Holy City of Madinah Munawwarah].

34. Hadrat Haji Dost Muhammad Kandhari (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Musazai Sharif].

35. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Usman Damani (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Musazai Sharif].

36. Hadrat Khuwaja Sirajuddin (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Musazai Sharif].

37. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Fazal Ali Qureshi (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Miskeenpur Sharif].

38. Hadrat Khuwaja Muhammad Abdul Malik Siddiqui (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Khanewal].

39. Murshid-e-Alam Hadrat Khuwaja Ghulam Habib (rahmatullahi alaihi) [Chakwal].

40. Hadrat Maulana Hafiz Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi Mujaddidi (damat barakatuhu) [Jhang Sharif].

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However I find it strange that it suddenly moves from the Arab lands and the Madinah During the days of Ja'afar and ends up in Delhi and such instead of staying in Madinah or Baghdad or Sham which were minarets of knowledge during those days:

It's not strange Shaikh. Just like we find great 'Ulama in India for example Hazrat Shaikh ul Islam, Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madni (RA), we also find Tasawwuf Shaikhs in India. Hazrat Hussain Ahmed Madni's silsila of Ilm also reaches to Madinah to Rasool Allah . If you look at the silsila, it will reach Madinah through different countries and cities.

I don't think it's very strange. The students spread in different parts and spread their knowledge (whether ilm or tazkiyah) to students from different parts of the world. Then these students go to their respective countries and spread it there.

Why is it strange?

[Lån-Penge]

Jazak'Allah for the clarification Maulana sahab. Can you also clarify why it is Sayyidina Salman al-Farsi who follows in the chain(s) after Sayyidina Abu Bakr ? Was there a special relationship between them or could it also have been any other Sahabi?

Well, there are other Silsilas which reach Hazrat Ali . So it could be any other Sahabi. See it just like Nasab (family tree). When someone asks me about my family tree, I'll tell them about mine. It will go through Hazrat Hasan to Rasool Allah . Now Can you say, why did it go through hazrat Hasan and why not any other Sahabi? If you ask this, I won't have any answer

[SpecialOFFER]

Well, there are other Silsilas which reach Hazrat Ali . So it could be any other Sahabi. See it just like Nasab (family tree). When someone asks me about my family tree, I'll tell them about mine. It will go through Hazrat Hasan to Rasool Allah . Now Can you say, why did it go through hazrat Hasan and why not any other Sahabi? If you ask this, I won't have any answer

Makes sense, . I think the misunderstanding occurs when one reads the chain from the top (beginning from Sayyidul Mursaleen ) to the bottom, instead of the other way.

[NikitahDE]

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Actually brother, you need to understand the concept of Shaikh and the concept of Bay't.

The concept of Bay'ah is to make Tobah at the hands of the Shaikh. It is a pledge of Tobah. Bay't e Tobah.

The concept of Suhbah of Shaikh is derived from the Ayah, وكونوا مع الصادقين

Now let us understand that Hazrat Abu Bakr did Tobah (bayt) on the hands of Rasool Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم. Hazrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه attained the level of Nisbat e Ittihaadi with Rasool Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم due to excessive companionship with him (suhbah). He was totally colored with the colors of Rasool Allah . This is called Nisbat e Ittihadi. That you become one with your Shaikh in the sense that you follow him in everything.

So after Rasool Allah , sahaba turned towards other Sahaba for Masaail, advices, Islah and other things. Hazrat Salman Farsi didn't do a Bayt of Tobah at the hands of Hazrat Abu Bakr cause he had already done it on the hands of Rasool Allah . Instead he had given Bayt of Khailafah to him. And he stayed in his company. Hazrat Abu Bakr did not give Ijazah for making mureeds to him because Sahaba didn't need any Ijazah. All of them were Sadiqeen and they sat in company of Elder Sahaba.
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A very detailed & much appreciated post, .

, Molana Sahib

[Goksiodiffeli]

i am asking this on behalf of a brother.

did Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him give Ijazah/Bayah to Salman al Farsi may Allah be pleased with him?

what are the basis for such a chain/silsilah?

http://www.tasawwuf.org/shaykh/silsilah.htm

The "nisbat" of hazrat Hasan Basri" with syedena Ali raziallaho anho is almost as difficult to prove in Qadria and Chishtiya salasil. Can anyone elaborate on that too ?

[apodildNoli]

As-salamu ´alaykum,

In the early generations there was no such thing as granting ijaza in tasawwuf, rather there was suhba, and all the early figures in the salasil were known for their piety, zuhd and competence, and did not need ijazas to prove their status.

However, in the commonly cited Naqshbandi silsila, physical suhba is lacking in several cases. For example, Sayyidina Qasim bin Muhammad (ra) did not meet Sayyidina Salman al-Farisi (ra), for the latter had passed away before Qasim was born. The same goes for Sayyidina Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (ra) and Khwaaja Abu Yazid al-Bastami (ra), and similarly between Bastami and Khwaaja Abu al-Hasan al-Kharqani (ra).

wassalam