[Unamannuato]

Assalam o alikum

I wanted to ask all of dear brother and sisters that what they say about the people killed in lal Masjid weather they were shaheed or killed and if anyone of you has concerned to u'lama regarding this so can he explain what ulama says???????????? please i need serious help on this topic

[jeockammece]

Assalam o alikum

I wanted to ask all of dear brother and sisters that what they say about the people killed in lal Masjid weather they were shaheed or killed and if anyone of you has concerned to u'lama regarding this so can he explain what ulama says???????????? please i need serious help on this topic

It is not allowed to call anyone a shaheed, unless there is proof from Quraan and Sunnah. Because only Allaah knows what is in a person's heart and only He knows the Unseen. But you can say "Shaheed insha Allaah".

As for Lal Masjid, they didn't have proper knowledge about how to behave and call the people toward righteousness. They used methods that are not allowed, like kidnaping people and defying the government orders. Had they sought advice from the Ulamaa, it would have been better for them. Unfortunately a big tragedy happened, but it should teach us a very important lesson to follow the advice of Ulamaa.

[WeestDype]

It is not allowed to call anyone a shaheed, unless there is proof from Quraan and Sunnah. Because only Allaah knows what is in a person's heart and only He knows the Unseen. But you can say "Shaheed insha Allaah".

As for Lal Masjid, they didn't have proper knowledge about how to behave and call the people toward righteousness. They used methods that are not allowed, like kidnaping people and defying the government orders. Had they sought advice from the Ulamaa, it would have been better for them. Unfortunately a big tragedy happened, but it should teach us a very important lesson to follow the advice of Ulamaa.

And what is your source of knowledge and how do you know what they did or didn't know?

[Unamannuato]

It is not allowed to call anyone a shaheed, unless there is proof from Quraan and Sunnah. Because only Allaah knows what is in a person's heart and only He knows the Unseen. But you can say "Shaheed insha Allaah".

As for Lal Masjid, they didn't have proper knowledge about how to behave and call the people toward righteousness. They used methods that are not allowed, like kidnaping people and defying the government orders. Had they sought advice from the Ulamaa, it would have been better for them. Unfortunately a big tragedy happened, but it should teach us a very important lesson to follow the advice of Ulamaa.

Now here is the point you said that they were accused for defying order of government but bro if government does not full fill responsibilities than i have heard from Ulla ma that if you possess the power you need to stop that sin and bad things..............

[jeockammece]

Now here is the point you said that they were accused for defying order of government but bro if government does not full fill responsibilities than i have heard from Ulla ma that if you possess the power you need to stop that sin and bad things..............

Sure. But that is only for some things. For example, no ordinary person even if he has the witnesses and evidene can establish the hudood penalties. Only the Government has this authority according to Shari'ah. If the government is failing in their duties in this matter, then they will answer to Allaah for it, it is not our responsibility.

Lal Masjid people in particular did lot of wrong things like taking hostages and illegally occupying property, and refusing the government orders to stop their actions.

[WeestDype]

Sure. But that is only for some things. For example, no ordinary person even if he has the witnesses and evidene can establish the hudood penalties. Only the Government has this authority according to Shari'ah. If the government is failing in their duties in this matter, then they will answer to Allaah for it, it is not our responsibility.

Lal Masjid people in particular did lot of wrong things like taking hostages and illegally occupying property, and refusing the government orders to stop their actions.

Please let the brother reveal his source of information and why he thinks what he thinks before his "issues" can be addressed!

I went to School from across the street and I also read, speak and write Urdu fluently to understand the point of view of Ulama and others "first hand" lets see what enlightment this brother will bring to the subject.

[jeockammece]

Please let the brother reveal his source of information and why he thinks what he thinks before his "issues" can be addressed!

I will only reveal my source of information if you deny the following facts:

i. Lal Masjid people and Jamia Hafsa ladies illegally occupied a library

ii. They kidnapped some Chinese people

iii. They refused to lay down their weapons and cease their illegal activities when the government ordered them to do so

If you deny these three facts, only then will I reveal the source of information. Because if you don't deny it, what's the point of revealing the source of information?

[Unamannuato]

Sure. But that is only for some things. For example, no ordinary person even if he has the witnesses and evidene can establish the hudood penalties. Only the Government has this authority according to Shari'ah. If the government is failing in their duties in this matter, then they will answer to Allaah for it, it is not our responsibility.

Lal Masjid people in particular did lot of wrong things like taking hostages and illegally occupying property, and refusing the government orders to stop their actions.

Our beloved hazrat Imam Husaain (R.A) also fight against government of yazeed for nifaz-e-shariat so what you say about this......

[Unamannuato]

I will only reveal my source of information if you deny the following facts:

i. Lal Masjid people and Jamia Hafsa ladies illegally occupied a library

ii. They kidnapped some Chinese people

iii. They refused to lay down their weapons and cease their illegal activities when the government ordered them to do so

If you deny these three facts, only then will I reveal the source of information. Because if you don't deny it, what's the point of revealing the source of information?

Allah says if order of your parents are against me than do not obey them so the same applies on government too..........

[jeockammece]

Our beloved hazrat Imam Husaain (R.A) also fight against government of yazeed for nifaz-e-shariat so what you say about this......

Well I think Hadhrat Imam Hussain made a mistake to fight against Yazeed

[Unamannuato]

Well I think Hadhrat Imam Hussain made a mistake to fight against Yazeed

What ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

[WeestDype]

I will only reveal my source of information if you deny the following facts:

i. Lal Masjid people and Jamia Hafsa ladies illegally occupied a library

ii. They kidnapped some Chinese people

iii. They refused to lay down their weapons and cease their illegal activities when the government ordered them to do so

If you deny these three facts, only then will I reveal the source of information. Because if you don't deny it, what's the point of revealing the source of information?

The reason we have to check our sources is BECAUSE Allah (SWT) commanded us to:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ أَن تُصِيبُواْ قَوۡمَۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ۬ فَتُصۡبِحُواْ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلۡتُمۡ نَـٰدِمِينَ

[49:6] O you who believe, if a sinful person brings you a report, verify its correctness, lest you should harm a people out of ignorance, and then become remorseful on what you did.

This is TWICE in TWO DAYS you have tried to SPIN LIES on this forum!

Well I think Hadhrat Imam Hussain made a mistake to fight against Yazeed

You should be BANNED because you have no points and nothing COHERENT to add to any discussions, except UTTER TRASH!

[jeockammece]

The reason we have to check our sources is BECAUSE Allah (SWT) commanded us to:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ أَن تُصِيبُواْ قَوۡمَۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ۬ فَتُصۡبِحُواْ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلۡتُمۡ نَـٰدِمِينَ

[49:6] O you who believe, if a sinful person brings you a report, verify its correctness, lest you should harm a people out of ignorance, and then become remorseful on what you did.

This is TWICE in TWO DAYS you have tried to SPIN LIES on this forum!

So are you denying those three facts I mentioned? Or are you saying there is no proof about it? Either case I will show you the proof

[Unamannuato]

The reason we have to check our sources is BECAUSE Allah (SWT) commanded us to:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ أَن تُصِيبُواْ قَوۡمَۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ۬ فَتُصۡبِحُواْ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلۡتُمۡ نَـٰدِمِينَ

[49:6] O you who believe, if a sinful person brings you a report, verify its correctness, lest you should harm a people out of ignorance, and then become remorseful on what you did.

This is TWICE in TWO DAYS you have tried to SPIN LIES on this forum!

Bro i did not get your point can u please explain me thanks in advance .........

[WeestDype]

So are you denying those three facts I mentioned? Or are you saying there is no proof about it? Either case I will show you the proof

Everything that comes from your BACKSIDE doesn't become a FACT!

It should be taken upon the Dhahir as it is which is “HOT USELESS AIR”!

[Unamannuato]

Everything that comes from your BACKSIDE doesn't become a FACT!

It should be taken upon the Dhahir as it is which is “HOT USELESS AIR”!

Can you explain your point of view about lal masjid..................

[WeestDype]

Bro i did not get your point can u please explain me thanks in advance .........

Allah (SWT) has taught us in the qur'aan which news to believe and which news to reject. Basically we don't trust the Media UNTIL the news is verified by sound and practising Muslims.

So first we need to check and ascertain "our source of information" when it concerns our Muslim Brothers & Sisters.

There is a lot of disinformation out there, propaganda and so we need to clean up the background noise, filter out the dis-information and believe ONLY what is verified.

Can you explain your point of view about lal masjid..................

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dents-of-Islam

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Sayyidah-Hafsa

[Unamannuato]

Allah (SWT) has taught us in the qur'aan which news to believe and which news to reject. Basically we don't trust the Media UNTIL the news is verified by sound and practising Muslims.

So first we need to check and ascertain "our source of information" when it concerns our Muslim Brothers & Sisters.

There is a lot of disinformation out there, propaganda and so we need to clean up the background noise, filter out the dis-information and believe ONLY what is verified.

So can i conclude from your wordings that people of lal masjid are shaheed????????? can i..???/

[WeestDype]

So can i conclude from your wordings that people of lal masjid are shaheed????????? can i..???/

Brother,

We say that those who died the Deen of Allah (SWT) are Shaheed . Innocent children were gunned down in PURE BRUTALITY by Pak-Army and they are going to Jannah.

There are plenty of people here who were local and saw and witnessed what went on.

[Unamannuato]

Brother,

We say that those who died the Deen of Allah (SWT) are Shaheed . Innocent children were gunned down in PURE BRUTALITY by Pak-Army and they are going to Jannah.

There are plenty of people here who were local and saw and witnessed what went on.

Thanks for your kind help and i will appreciate if you can provide me some wordings of any mufti regarding this topic......................