[tmobmobfil]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
In other discussions on Islamic forums, people saying they practice traditional Islam as well as scholars on their websites have told others discussing politics that they shouldn't ponder in that type of debate. That it is a waste of time and unimportant, and we should spend more time trying to better ourselves religiously speaking, Insha'Allah.
While I do agree that bettering yourself and understanding Islam as much as is possible is extremely important, I don't know if I'd say politics and understanding them is against traditional Islam, Insha'Allah.
Politics that do not concern the Ummah in any way and are purely power struggles in other places are not what I am speaking of. I agree wholeheartedly that those types of politics are a distraction.
But the modern day political climate does concern the Ummah. The West is invading Islam's lands, installing corrupt dictators, killing children, supporting and arming Israel {which treats the Muslim Palestinians brutally}, etc. And they do this mostly for money and worldly gain. Shouldn't we be concerned about this? I'm sure this is not what the scholars mean when they speak of politics being a distraction, Insha'Allah.

[soryalomop]

Islam is a political religion and Muslims must be concerned with political affairs.

Those who say that Islam is "just about private piety"... Uhm... Good stooges for kuffar's interests and plans.

[RlUbQU3R]

Islam is a political religion and Muslim must be concerned with political affairs.

Those who say that Islam is "just about private piety"... Uhm... Good stooges for kuffar's interests and plans.

[GreefeWrereon]

Islam is a political religion and Muslim must be concerned with political affairs.

Those who say that Islam is "just about private piety"... Uhm... Good stooges for kuffar's interests and plans.

I have to disagree. While I agree that Muslims should concern themselves with the world around them and strive to make it a better place, one's focus should always be on pleasing Allah and obtaining paradise. I've seen way too many Muslims act as if the entire point of Islam is to simply set up some political state, when in reality, the entire goal of Islam is obtaining salvation from Allah. If you wrap your hopes and dreams around the dunya, you're only going to end up dissapointed.

[tmobmobfil]

Islam is a political religion and Muslim must be concerned with political affairs.

Those who say that Islam is "just about private piety"... Uhm... Good stooges for kuffar's interests and plans.

I agree. The kuffar like passive Muslims.

[Phassetus]

I agree. The kuffar like passive Muslims.

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله

If you're from Saudi Arabia then the Government there does not allow the Hanbali/Salafis to talk about politics and I am sure you've heard of many scholars that were arrested and went to jail because they said something that does not agree with the policy of the King, On the other hand the Muslims in Lebanon for example talk about politics all the time and our scholars write books on how the Islamic state should be and they criticize the rulers severely and so on...

[tmobmobfil]

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله

If you're from Saudi Arabia then the Government there does not allow the Hanbali/Salafis to talk about politics and I am sure you've heard of many scholars that were arrested and went to jail because they said something that does not agree with the policy of the King, On the other hand the Muslims in Lebanon for example talk about politics all the time and our scholars write books on how the Islamic state should be and they criticize the rulers severely and so on...

The House of Saud are an arm of the West. A true Muslim govt. doesn't take the kuffar as allies or support them as they bomb Muslims and destroy the Islamic way of life in the name of "modernization," while supressing the voice of the true Muslims.

[BeksTeene]

I have to disagree. While I agree that Muslims should concern themselves with the world around them and strive to make it a better place, one's focus should always be on pleasing Allah and obtaining paradise. I've seen way too many Muslims act as if the entire point of Islam is to simply set up some political state, when in reality, the entire goal of Islam is obtaining salvation from Allah. If you wrap your hopes and dreams around the dunya, you're only going to end up dissapointed.

[soryalomop]

I have to disagree. While I agree that Muslims should concern themselves with the world around them and strive to make it a better place, one's focus should always be on pleasing Allah and obtaining paradise. I've seen way too many Muslims act as if the entire point of Islam is to simply set up some political state, when in reality, the entire goal of Islam is obtaining salvation from Allah. If you wrap your hopes and dreams around the dunya, you're only going to end up dissapointed.

See, the influence and pollution of kafir ideologies on our minds is such that as soon as one mention the mere existance of politics in the general economy of Islam, some people start arguing that that's not the focus, that there are more important things, etc..
That's a very bad habit of "extremizing" and misrepresenting what the other is saying in order to refute him.

I never said that politics should be "the focus "nor "the entire point" of Islam; still, many aspects related to politics are as fard as "spiritual" aspects of Islam are and that can't be denied.

[XGoFivk7]

See, the influence and pollution of kafir ideologies on our minds is such that as soon as one mention the mere existance of politics in the general economy of Islam, some people start arguing that that's not the focus, that there are more important things, etc..
That's a very bad habit of "extremizing" and misrepresenting what the other is saying in order to refute him.

I never said that politics should be "the focus "nor "the entire point" of Islam; still, many aspects related to politics are as fard as "spiritual" aspects of Islam are and that can't be denied.

[truck]

Salam alikum,
the atheistic wests phylosophy is that the strongest one will survive and they use ANY tool for that. Isnt it animal behavoir? How can we allow to destroy our planet? It is our obligation to be involved also from this point of view.

w salam

[Nypbscao]

Very good response Umar. Islam is a political force as well. I find it very sad that the moment a person talks of khilafat, islamic politics, qitaal etc then everybody jumps on the bandwagon of focusing on spirituality. Who said a person can't do both? The people who provided the stiffest oppostion to the colonalists were sufi mujahideen. A person should be concerned about rulership. Without sound rulership how can a person do hajj (as the road will be too dangerous). There are many such examples. Islam involves politics and nobody can deny this.

[BeksTeene]

Salam alikum,
the atheistic wests phylosophy is that the strongest one will survive and they use ANY tool for that. Isnt it animal behavoir? How can we allow to destroy our planet? It is our obligation to be involved also from this point of view.

w salam

Assalam alaykum,

You and others are making some very strong points in favor of political involvement. We just need to make sure that our imaan isn't lost in the struggle.

Wassalam

[truck]

Assalam alaykum,

You and others are making some very strong points in favor of political involvement. We just need to make sure that our imaan isn't lost in the struggle.

Wassalam

Salam alikum,
ameen to this.

Without basis it does not go!
My thinking is that every muslim/muslima in community has different skills and gifts and role, so one cares for this and another one for that... we are one body built from milions of pieces, arent we. I personally appreciate very much brothers and sisters who focus on reminding us, at the same time I try to remind others - when I see it would be useful.
seeking guidance from allah


thanks and w salam

[soryalomop]

Islam is a political force as well. I find it very sad that the moment a person talks of khilafat, islamic politics, qitaal etc then everybody jumps on the bandwagon of focusing on spirituality. Who said a person can't do both? The people who provided the stiffest oppostion to the colonalists were sufi mujahideen. A person should be concerned about rulership. Without sound rulership how can a person do hajj (as the road will be too dangerous). There are many such examples. Islam involves politics and nobody can deny this.

Exactly!

Assalam alaykum,

You and others are making some very strong points in favor of political involvement. We just need to make sure that our imaan isn't lost in the struggle.

Wassalam

Why should it?
Why specifying this (obvious) condition only for political involvement and not also - for example - for taking care of one's family, having a job, etc.?

Also, please not that we're not talking about involving ourselves in the dirty play of "parties", elections and so on; but rather about the existance of a political (in its widest meaning) consciousness in our Din: related to government, rulership, shaping of society, etc.
I.e.: Islam isn't just a "private" belief which hasn't any effect on politics and economy, leaving thus the field open for capitalism to onslaught humanity.

[BeksTeene]

Exactly!



Why should it?
Why specifying this (obvious) condition only for political involvement and not also - for example - for taking care of one's family, having a job, etc.?

Also, please not that we're not talking about involving ourselves in the dirty play of "parties", elections and so on; but rather about the existance of a political (in its widest meaning) consciousness in our Din: related to government, rulership, shaping of society, etc.
I.e.: Islam isn't just a "private" belief which hasn't any effect on politics and economy, leaving thus the field open for capitalism to onslaught humanity.

Assalam alaykum Brother,

I'm not saying that you personally need to be reminded of the obvious, but I have noticed that politics, being emotive as it is, can bring out the nafs, which can assert itself at its worst, so it is just a precautionary statement--which certainly applies to myself if to no one else--while at the same time coming into agreement in principle with the case being made. And I do get your point about a political consciousness in its wider sense. OK, Brother?

Wassalam

[BeksTeene]

I have to disagree. While I agree that Muslims should concern themselves with the world around them and strive to make it a better place, one's focus should always be on pleasing Allah and obtaining paradise. I've seen way too many Muslims act as if the entire point of Islam is to simply set up some political state, when in reality, the entire goal of Islam is obtaining salvation from Allah. If you wrap your hopes and dreams around the dunya, you're only going to end up dissapointed.

Assalam alaykum,

I still agree that the sole emphasis of our lives should be on pleasing Allah (SWT), and I think that you and I share the same concerns, but some of the subsequent posts have convinced me of the need for a political consciousness in our Deen.

Wassalam

[soryalomop]

Assalam alaykum Brother,

I'm not saying that you personally need to be reminded of the obvious, but I have noticed that politics, being emotive as it is, can bring out the nafs, which can assert itself at its worst, so it is just a precautionary statement--which certainly applies to myself if to no one else--while at the same time coming into agreement in principle with the case being made. And I do get your point about a political consciousness in its wider sense. OK, Brother?

Wassalam

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I knew you weren't accusing me of anything nor I took offence for it; I just happen to be passionate when discussing these things, due to the denial coming from certain quarters and certain "tactics" these people have spread on in order to occlude the minds of Muslims on certain aspects of their Din.

[soryalomop]

Assalam alaykum,

I still agree that the sole emphasis of our lives should be on pleasing Allah (SWT),

Also, consider it in this way.
Yes, the sole emphasis of our lives should be on pleasing Allah.... ....And Allah ordered as various things, among which the have to establish a Khilafah and to implement His Sacred Law, as well as treating well one's parents and wives, etc.

So, striving - with the correct niyyah, for pleasing Allah - for the establishment of Khilafah is actually a way to please Allah, i.e. acting on His orders and commandments, as it is - with the correct niyyah - treating well one's parents and wives, etc.

[kanchouska]

Islam is a political religion and Muslim must be concerned with political affairs.

Those who say that Islam is "just about private piety"... Uhm... Good stooges for kuffar's interests and plans.

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