[bypeTeenehalT]

As I have established from one of the threads I made quite some time ago that sunnis pretty much accept everything inside sahih bukhari, can you so kindly explain these narrations for me and who they're referring to?

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount." 'Abdullah added: The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount, and some of you will be brought in front of me till I will see them and then they will be taken away from me and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You do not know what they did after you had left.'
Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.584 Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognize them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you." (also Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54). Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.586
Narrated Ibn al-Musaiyab:

"Some men from my companions will come to my Lake-Fount and they will be driven away from it, and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge of what they innovated after you left: they turned APOSTATE as renegades (reverted from true Islam)." (also Sahih Muslim, part 10, p64, also P59). Many thanks

[topbonusescod]

As I have established from one of the threads I made quite some time ago that sunnis pretty much except everything inside sahih bukhari, can you so kindly explain these narrations for me and who they're referring to?







Many thanks

These are not the Companions(ra) who the shia refer to these are the people who became apostate after the death of the Prophet and Hazrat Abu Bakr(ra) fought against them and Allah knows best.

[Solo3uc4]

Assalamu alaykum

Certainly they are not Syeduna Abu bakr, Umar, Uthman, Zubiar radaillahum ajmayeen.

Proof:

Syeduna Ali Radiallahu anhu named his children as abu bakr, umar, uthman, zubair.

[bypeTeenehalT]

These are not the Companions(ra) who the shia refer to these are the people who became apostate after the death of the Prophet and Hazrat Abu Bakr(ra) fought against them and Allah knows best.

I'm pretty sure I know who they're referred to, but thanks for your answer.

[bypeTeenehalT]

Assalamu alaykum

Certainly they are not Syeduna Abu bakr, Umar, Uthman, Zubiar radaillahum ajmayeen.

Proof:

Syeduna Ali Radiallahu anhu named his children as abu bakr, umar, uthman, zubair.

Excellent logic. Clearly these hadiths aren't referring to those 3 as Imam Ali (as) named his children those names...lol.

[Ccddfergt]

Excellent logic.

yes, because shias suppose to believe abu bakr(rd), umar(rd) usman(rd) become kafir after the death of prophet . verily ali(rd) wouldnt dare to keep his sons name as those who became kafir.

[Dumpishchaism]

Lol for ever will you shi'a repeat the same things of the past, again, again... and again, that is the way you are cursed.

[bypeTeenehalT]

Well I've got my answer, albeit one which didn't make sense. Good luck with finding the truth guys. A great start would be reading sahih bukhari. The online sahih bukhari is a great start. The things you find in it are truly astonishing. Anyhow I'm not gonna waste my time here. If anyone has any questions here come on shiachat. I would post some links here but clearly there's censorship going on . If you guys were so firm in your beliefs you would let us post any links we wish but that's not the case. You want to hide the truth just like your forefathers did, just like the ummayads! There is always enough light for one who wishes to see - Imam Ali (as).

[Solo3uc4]

There is always enough light for one who wishes to see - Imam Ali (as). We have seen Syeduna Ali RA keep those names for his children

[rNr5Di3S]

Well I've got my answer, albeit one which didn't make sense. Good luck with finding the truth guys. A great start would be reading sahih bukhari. The online sahih bukhari is a great start. The things you find in it are truly astonishing. Anyhow I'm not gonna waste my time here. If anyone has any questions here come on shiachat. I would post some links here but clearly there's censorship going on . If you guys were so firm in your beliefs you would let us post any links we wish but that's not the case. You want to hide the truth just like your forefathers did, just like the ummayads! There is always enough light for one who wishes to see - Imam Ali (as).

Ha Ha Ha.... yea right. Shoo shoo... hope away....

[rNr5Di3S]

Same Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 7:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar(ra):

We used to compare the people as to who was better during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle . We used to regard Abu Bakr (ra) as the best, then 'Umar (ra) , and then 'Uthman (ra).

[rNr5Di3S]

Same Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 8:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas(ra):

The Prophet said, "If I were to take a Khalil, I would have taken Abu Bakr, but he is my brother and my companion (in Islam)."

[bypeTeenehalT]

Ha Ha Ha.... yea right. Shoo shoo... hope away....

I'm glad I was away from here for so long. You guys have mashallah got some nice akhlaq. Maybe you should take a couple of lessons from the holy progeny of the Prophet (pbuh&hf) and look at their behaviour and their lifestyle and compare it with some certain sahabas......

[rNr5Di3S]

The Same Sahih Bukhari You quoted also says.

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 11:

Narrated Jubair bin Mutim(ra):

A woman came to the Prophet who ordered her to return to him again.
She said, "What if I came and did not find you?" as if she wanted to say, "If I found you dead?"
The Prophet said, "If you should not find me, go to Abu Bakr."

[Solo3uc4]

Assalamu alaykum

I'm glad I was away from here for so long. You guys have mashallah got some nice akhlaq. Maybe you should take a couple of lessons from the holy progeny of the Prophet (pbuh&hf) and look at their behaviour and their lifestyle and compare it with some certain sahabas...... Don't expect your opponent to play cricket when you are playing hockey.

[bypeTeenehalT]

"Those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of the creation (Quran 98:7)" was revealed, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said to Ali:

"They are you and your Shia." He continued: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and your enemies will come angry with their head forced up. Ali said: "Who are my enemies?" The Prophet (PBUH&HF) replied: "He who disassociates himself from you and curses you. And glad tiding to those who reach first under the shadow of al-'Arsh on the day of resurrection." Ali asked: "Who are they, O the Messenger of Allah?" He replied: "Your Shia, O Ali, and those who love you."

Sunni references:

- al-Hafidh Jamaluddin al-Dharandi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas

- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247

"O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).

Sunni references:

- al-Tabarani, on the authority of Imam Ali

- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p236


The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said:

"The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Sunni references:

- al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:

- Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62


Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 9329
I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve imams." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish."

Sahih Muslim, Hadith 4483
The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour has been established, or you have been ruled by twelve Caliphs, all of them being from the Quraysh.

Tirmidhi Hadith:6249
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Allah, Who is Blessed and Exalted has commanded me to love four people, and He has informed me that He loves them." He was asked to name them and said, "Ali is one of them (saying that three times), also AbuDharr, al-Miqdad and Salman. He has commanded me to love them, and He has informed me that He loves them."
Tirmidhi Hadith :6225

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Paradise is desirous of three people: Ali, Ammar and Salman."


Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5955:

'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one

morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came

Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Hussain and he wrapped him

under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her

under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah

only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying) (Quran 33:33)

[rNr5Di3S]

Assalamu alaykum



Don't expect your opponent to play cricket when you are playing hockey.

Brother. Today i am game. I m playing everything.

The same Sahih Bukhari narrates:

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 14:

Narrated 'Amr bin Al-As(ra):

The Prophet deputed me to read the Army of Dhat-as-Salasil. I came to him and said, "Who is the most beloved person to you?" He said, " 'Aisha."
I asked, "Among the men?" He said, "Her father."
I said, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar bin Al-Khattab."
He then named other men.

[Ccddfergt]

"They are you and your Shia."

for your arabic knowledge , Shia means "Group" in arabic. and not the sect which you belong to.


this is the verse in arabic also:
{إن الذين فرقوا دينهم وكانوا شيعا لست منهم في شيء إنما أمرهم إلى الله ثم ينبئهم بما كانوا يفعلون}
[سورة الأنعام الآية 159]


{Those who have been devided and been shiaa, u (mohammed pbuh) r not from them at all} quran [surat anaam: 159]

The Prophet has always told us not to disassociate ourselves from his Ahul Bayt (as).

we do with all rightoues, but you dont even do with any at all. because you people bring shame on ahlul bait(rd).

[bypeTeenehalT]

The Prophet has always told us not to disassociate ourselves from his Ahul Bayt (as). I prefer the Prince of Believers Ali (as) to anyone else. Read up the events of Ghadeer...

[SpecialOFFER]

As I have established from one of the threads I made quite some time ago that sunnis pretty much accept everything inside sahih bukhari, can you so kindly explain these narrations for me and who they're referring to?







Many thanks

Can I get arabic translation of it please?