[suidinguilelf]

I have been doing study of various sects since few years now and how they have developed themselves in the due course. Some of the important factors are:

1. They are united, i.e they follow strictly the saying's of their leaders.
2. They have established self financing schemes, through which they help each other.
3. Their businesses are financed by their society. The member using the finance again returns certain percent of profit to the society. That is the reason, each sect has its own hospital, school, business etc... including shoe shops and small small shops.
4. They buy only from their sect people's shop. They always try to stabilize their businesses
5. Some of them give a certain percentage of salary to the society.

That way they have good financial position and help each other in need. And also trap muslims by showing these kind of schemes.

For example they track poor people. They offer them that they would finance their business and what ever profit comes, it will be shared. Now the poor person get's money from them, all the people from their sect buy from this shop only and they also promote it, so the owner will be running into profits and he will again return some part of it back to the society. This way the poor people are brought into trap. Obviously once a poor person sees money coming easily, he wouldn't leave it or the people who are supporting him.

[BinasiDombrs]

aoudhu billah

the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam even bought from jews.

If i was going to boycott shops, itd be shops that sell alcohol and cigarettes

[suidinguilelf]

aoudhu billah

the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam even bought from jews.

If i was going to boycott shops, itd be shops that sell alcohol and cigarettes

Did I tell anywhere to boycott the shops

[duceswild]

I have been doing study of various sects since few years now and how they have developed themselves in the due course. Some of the important factors are:

1. They are united, i.e they follow strictly the saying's of their leaders.
2. They have established self financing schemes, through which they help each other.
3. Their businesses are financed by their society. The member using the finance again returns certain percent of profit to the society. That is the reason, each sect has its own hospital, school, business etc... including shoe shops and small small shops.
4. They buy only from their sect people's shop. They always try to stabilize their businesses
5. Some of them give a certain percentage of salary to the society.

That way they have good financial position and help each other in need. And also trap muslims by showing these kind of schemes.

For example they track poor people. They offer them that they would finance their business and what ever profit comes, it will be shared. Now the poor person get's money from them, all the people from their sect buy from this shop only and they also promote it, so the owner will be running into profits and he will again return some part of it back to the society. This way the poor people are brought into trap. Obviously once a poor person sees money coming easily, he wouldn't leave it or the people who are supporting him.

hmm.. signs of Qadiyanis

[duceswild]

Did I tell anywhere to boycott the shops

It'd be better if you have said so because we Muslims, by our own hands, are strengthening these jews and anti muslim powers. Didn't you see in last years when the dairy products of Arla Co. (Norway) were banned in the Arab countries, in the reaction of cartoon blasphemy of Rasulullah , it jolted their economy, and they bowed down and asked sorry to muslims.

[BinasiDombrs]

Did I tell anywhere to boycott the shops

wa alaykum salaam brother

did i say that you said that?

[BinasiDombrs]

also i agree this sounds like qadiyani behaviour. They have a stringent financial system including something called chanda or something lol. I know one qadiyani who pay £300 every month into the qadiyani dawah

[suidinguilelf]

also i agree this sounds like qadiyani behaviour. They have a stringent financial system including something called chanda or something lol. I know one qadiyani who pay £300 every month into the qadiyani dawah

This is not only with qadiani's. The same system is in Bohra's, christian missionaries working in remote areas, shia's, aga khanis etc...

[traiffhetl]

it seems like a good system. we should do the same.

[BinasiDombrs]

yeah but not to the extent where deobandis only buy from deobandis.

Imagine if i went to my local salafi community and said sont buy anything from the butcher coz he's deobandi. Astagfirullah.

But if there were clearly defined boundries like only boycotting clear kafir sects like qadiyani and aga khanis then itd be ok but i dont think its wise to worsten the situation between groups within islam. Aswell as that, we shoukd base it on piety. Id rather give to a deobandi who doesnt sell alcohol than a salafi or ikhwani who does sell it and vice versa. But i dont fancy further entrenching the various sects into their little pockets.and imagine a somali living amongst pakistanis. Hed have to move as many ignorant people would see him as from different sect and boycott him. Islam doesnt teach us such harshness, we should love for our brothers what we love for ourselves. I make an exception for clear kafir groups

[traiffhetl]

yeah but not to the extent where deobandis only buy from deobandis.

Imagine if i went to my local salafi community and said sont buy anything from the butcher coz he's deobandi. Astagfirullah.

But if there were clearly defined boundries like only boycotting clear kafir sects like qadiyani and aga khanis then itd be ok but i dont think its wise to worsten the situation between groups within islam. Aswell as that, we shoukd base it on piety. Id rather give to a deobandi who doesnt sell alcohol than a salafi or ikhwani who does sell it and vice versa. But i dont fancy further entrenching the various sects into their little pockets.and imagine a somali living amongst pakistanis. Hed have to move as many ignorant people would see him as from different sect and boycott him. Islam doesnt teach us such harshness, we should love for our brothers what we love for ourselves. I make an exception for clear kafir groups

you might have misunderstood people on here.

i dont think anyone is saying buy only from deobandis.

the only bias should be towards muslims.

[BinasiDombrs]

you might have misunderstood people on here.

i dont think anyone is saying buy only from deobandis.

the only bias should be towards muslims.

wa alaykum salaam bro

i understand that noone meant that,the thread eas about sects only buying from their own, and someone said we should do that, so i dont have an issue with that as long as there are is a clear criteria on who is eligible for our support and that is anyone who is within the fold of islam and doesnt sell haraam

[suidinguilelf]

it seems like a good system. we should do the same.

I was crying about this only in "shoulder to cry" thread. Even on profitable basis our brothers don't join hands

[Irravepem]

Dawud, y do u always keep mentioning 'deobandi'. the discussion is about a totally relevant and different issue.

[traiffhetl]

I was crying about this only in "shoulder to cry" thread. Even on profitable basis our brothers don't join hands

but if you are more open about it and show some proven results then people will join inshallah.

[qd0vhq4f]

Are you speaking about sects in the west? or in Muslim countries in general? or specifically the subcontinent?

Because I don't believe this is true (i.e. buying from only their shops) in Arab countries, since you cannot really tell what the shop owner's beliefs are unless you ask them, and I've never heard of anyone, not a salafi nor any other sect, asking a shop owner his beliefs before buying from them.

[suidinguilelf]

but if you are more open about it and show some proven results then people will join inshallah.

Brother I can;t be open about the processes. Since our concept is new, it will take some time to show proven results (though we have results now). If everyone waits to invest in a company once it get into profits, then probably there will be no chance for the company to reach the profits or even survive in the market.

The fact that I have been working on project since 1.5 yrs and its surviving in market since 7 months is the proof that we are growing

[suidinguilelf]

Are you speaking about sects in the west? or in Muslim countries in general? or specifically the subcontinent?

Because I don't believe this is true (i.e. buying from only their shops) in Arab countries, since you cannot really tell what the shop owner's beliefs are unless you ask them, and I've never heard of anyone, not a salafi nor any other sect, asking a shop owner his beliefs before buying from them.

It's obviously difficult to know one's belief, but when you frequent certain shop it will be easy to know. And in India, we can clearly find who's shop is this mostly, because aga khanis keep aga khan photo, bohra's keep burhanuddin photo etc... And more over some areas are well known here that the shops there belong to certain sect