[trubreTab]

More like inferiority complex.
And these are the people of my beloved Prophet (PBUH)-what have they done to themselves?
Wassalam

Actually they don't know what they are doing. It's a big World Wide WEB ..

[Noxassope]

It's not just the government but it seems to be the whole mentality there.
Looking up to westerners and looking down on their fellow Muslim brothers....

Even at the airport in UAE, I could see how the Europeans and Americans are
treated in a different and more respectable way.

Why will Saudi respect those Muslims who are addicted to chicken biryani ? The Western people
deserve the respect because of their extraordinary ability to make sophisticated weapons.
As long as you do not have military muscle , you will not earn respect . More on this issue
can be found in this thread.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-science-only-!!

[exchpaypaleg]

Inferiority complex you say!! So far the only people seems to exhibit inferority complex are the indian/pakistanis. Even in india, if you are bangali, they will treat you differently.
The entire indo/pak looks to west although they prentend they are better. The desi has a racist culture and far from egaleterian. So perhaps all this whinning is they are given similar treatment with big wage packet. Who is more fairer?

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If only more people would realize this.

[P1international]

Inferiority complex you say!! So far the only people seems to exhibit inferority complex are the indian/pakistanis. Even in india, if you are bangali, they will treat you differently.
The entire indo/pak looks to west although they prentend they are better. The desi has a racist culture and far from egaleterian. So perhaps all this whinning is they are given similar treatment with big wage packet. Who is more fairer?

I used to be one of those people who hated everything western but in hindsight there are a lot we can learn from the european which muslims have lost over the decade. So yes!! to say the ummah in general is not what it used to be is not statment of inferirotiy complex but this is the reality. None is sayng everything is well in the western countries but there are many good things. I agree with the structural engineering student. Try and get apretership in western countries and try gain experience and become a citizen and then travel to middleast.

Inferior indeed is the bengali.. who after eating few tit bits of his white master looks down upon his fellow bengali brethren as second class labourers..

i would hug these bengali brothers anytime and i luv them .. and may Allah give them more.. they earn halal after a hard days work.. while ur mostly incompetent white masters earn through deciet..

they come here for the tax free life when these suited booted beggars find hard to survive back home.. with crisis upon crisis .. their economists must be smoking pot in amsterdam.. .. the greeks are now selling away everything from airports to highways.. what does ur short sighted economics speak of this..

there have been numerous cases of these european cheats who claim to hold high qualifications and are ultimately caught as fakes..

do u know how many of ur British freinds have been deported recently .. caught redhanded having open sex on beaches..making public love like animals.. and u still defend them..? indeed pathetic..

No.. we dont look towards ur west..mubarak to u.. so what has brought them to the arab lands after all.. when they were so much dynamic back home.. cared to ask anytime..

u said 70% of their spare time is engaged in charitable works.. masha Allah.. good to hear that.. theyre buying jannah and u want to buy jahannam praising the enemies of Islam.. how egalitarian..

and why come to the middle east after few years of western apretership .. to infect the backward tendencies of a decayed culture..? rather live there happily in their admiration..

wa assalam..

[trubreTab]

and why come to the middle east after few years of western apretership .. to infect the backward tendencies of a decayed cultire..? rather live there happily in their admiration..

wa assalam..

To curse it more..

[trubreTab]

Actually Dr sahib its what Maulana Abdus Sattar sahib damatbarakatuhum says: Maghrib se Mar'oobiyat ka Fitnah (Fitnah of being immensely impressed by the west). This fitnah is so over our minds and hearts that we don't even want to think anything bad about the west. While, we'll go on cursing the muslim countries which are far better than the naked west.

Example: I had a friend who taught here in a University. Complaining all the time. He got his family visa in a week after he came. Still complaining all the time. At last, he left Saudia and went to Finland for higher studies. Now it's almost a year and he's getting his family visa. You will never hear any complaints. I asked him, Abdullah bhai, what happened, you didn't get the family visa? He said, well Taliban bhai you know we have to go through the proper Visa process.

Like how you say, Mehboob maray bhi to khushi se bardasht hai.. (If the lover hits you its taken happily)

[Noxassope]

Example: I had a friend who taught here in a University. Complaining all the time. He got his family visa in a week after he came. Still complaining all the time. At last, he left Saudia and went to Finland for higher studies. Now it's almost a year and he's getting his family visa. You will never hear any complaints. I asked him, Abdullah bhai, what happened, you didn't get the family visa? He said, well Taliban bhai you know we have to go through the proper Visa process.

Like how you say, Mehboob maray bhi to khushi se bardasht hai.. (If the lover hits you its taken happily)

Why bringing a spouse to Finland ? Without a spouse , you can enjoy life in hedonistic style. Proof ? Check this link.

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http://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=31362

first time i was in the sauna and my Finnish teacher got in (naked of course) i flew out at the speed of light ops:
if there is one thing i can't get used to in Finland that is naked people around me in the sauna

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So, if that guy is not strictly religious , its good (?) for him if the spouse visa is issued after much delay !!!

[Noxassope]

there have been numerous cases of these european cheats who claim to hold high qualifications and are ultimately caught as fakes..

do u know how many of ur British freinds have been deported recently .. caught redhanded having open sex on beaches..making public love like animals.. and u still defend them..? indeed pathetic..

No.. we dont look towards ur west..mubarak to u.. so what has brought them to the arab lands after all.. when they were so much dynamic back home.. cared to ask anytime..

u said 70% of their spare time is engaged in charitable works.. masha Allah.. good to hear that.. theyre buying jannah and u want to buy jahannam praising the enemies of Islam.. how egalitarian..

and why come to the middle east after few years of western apretership .. to infect the backward tendencies of a decayed culture..? rather live there happily in their admiration..

wa assalam..

Since Western universities promote athesim , there is no moral ethics anymore in the society . However, you will see business ethics and work ethics which are higly promoted.

So , you can find skilled engineers and doctors who have good reputation in the professional circle. But , their personal lives may be full of adultery and womanizing things !!

May be , in Dubai , you have seen some Western black sheeps who act as loose cannons.
But , they do not reflect the majority of those professionals who are the bedrock behind
all those sophisticated military machines. More on this issue is discussed in this thread.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-science-only-!!

[uranbigis]

Since Western universities promote athesim , there is no moral ethics anymore in the society . However, you will see business ethics and work ethics which are higly promoted.

So , you can find skilled engineers and doctors who have good reputation in the professional circle. But , their personal lives may be full of adultery and womanizing things !!

May be , in Dubai , you have seen some Western black sheeps who act as loose cannons.
But , they do not reflect the majority of those professionals who are the bedrock behind
all those sophisticated military machines. More on this issue is discussed in this thread.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-science-only-!!

I crucial reality is being ignored. The same society, in spite of all the economical, military and industrial successes, is a social, psychological and law and order disaster. Like alcohol its harms are greater than its virtues.
Wassalam

[uranbigis]

How far is Utrecht from your location brother?
Wassalam

[enasseneiff]

After a web search , I have found some more shocking incidents . Here is one example.

There are many horror stories from Saudi Arabia, and about many things.

If you work there, your passport is often held.

You need an exit visa to leave.

Avoid that place at all costs. They are perverted.

[eduptultyt]

Inferiority complex you say!! So far the only people seems to exhibit inferority complex are the indian/pakistanis. Even in india, if you are bangali, they will treat you differently.
The entire indo/pak looks to west although they prentend they are better. The desi has a racist culture and far from egaleterian. So perhaps all this whinning is they are given similar treatment with big wage packet. Who is more fairer?

I used to be one of those people who hated everything western but in hindsight there are a lot we can learn from the european which muslims have lost over the decade. So yes!! to say the ummah in general is not what it used to be is not statment of inferirotiy complex but this is the reality. None is sayng everything is well in the western countries but there are many good things. I agree with the structural engineering student. Try and get apretership in western countries and try gain experience and become a citizen and then travel to middleast.

If only more people would realize this.

Nice bit of distraction from the subject which is "Strange salary discrimination in Sauddi Arabia and UAE"

When you see us defending the strange and unIslamic practises of Indian/Pakistanees then you can lament to your heart's content!

Here we are discussing the UNISLAMIC & UNETHICAL practises of those who claim to be on "Qur'aan & Sunnah".

1. What happens in Finland
2. What happens in India/Pakistan
3. What happens on Mars

Is irrelevant to the issue but a nice attempt to brush the issue under the carpet And I can see that you guys have no Islamic, logical or economic explaination of the scenario which I have posted.

From my end:

[trubreTab]

Colonel Sahib

There's nothing to discuss about it

There is a discrimination and that's the truth. What can we discuss about it?

[vaalmerruutel]

Colonel Sahib

There's nothing to discuss about it

There is a discrimination and that's the truth. What can we discuss about it?

Salaam. Thumbs up to this comment!

My father has been working as an English teacher in King Abdul Aziz University, Jeddah for over 23 years now. He tells me stories all the time. It's an accepted fact amongst all south asians. Regardless of your qualification, the Americans/British WILL earn more than you.

Funnily enough, it's often not based on the colour of your skin but the colour of your passport. Two asians with exactly the same qualifications and experience - if one them has the red passport, his pay will be about 1.2-1.5 times higher.

Wassalam

Saif

[Numbiydq]

Colonel Sahib

There's nothing to discuss about it

There is a discrimination and that's the truth. What can we discuss about it?

What is the attitude of the religious scholars in Saudi Arabia about this ? What about those Salafi brothers who are so vocal about purifying the Muslim society from bidah ? Are they ignorant of this blatant ignorance going on in their backyard ?

[trubreTab]

What is the attitude of the religious scholars in Saudi Arabia about this ? What about those Salafi brothers who are so vocal about purifying the Muslim society from bidah ? Are they ignorant of this blatant ignorance going on in their backyard ?

Nobody can do anything about it. You talk to them, they'll say yes it's wrong. They will accept it as wrong. But does it matter? Their acceptance doesn't rectify the problem does it?

[exchpaypaleg]

Nice bit of distraction from the subject which is "Strange salary discrimination in Sauddi Arabia and UAE"

When you see us defending the strange and unIslamic practises of Indian/Pakistanees then you can lament to your heart's content!

Here we are discussing the UNISLAMIC & UNETHICAL practises of those who claim to be on "Qur'aan & Sunnah".

1. What happens in Finland
2. What happens in India/Pakistan
3. What happens on Mars

Is irrelevant to the issue but a nice attempt to brush the issue under the carpet And I can see that you guys have no Islamic, logical or economic explaination of the scenario which I have posted.

From my end:

The reason for why I "lamented" the fact that Indians and Pakistanis lose sight of their own issues
with discrimination in their own native lands has multiple reasons, one of which is that it could,
potentially, go a long way into helping them understand both WHY it happens and HOW the problem can be solved. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia share nothing in common save for being Muslim states yet, for some reason, the same type of hideous discrimination is practiced in both nations. Why? Perhaps they are reaping what they have sown? Perhaps it is genetic? Or maybe it is something else, but whatever it is, if Pakistanis think about why this happens in their own nation, as I mentioned previously, this may help us along the path to finding a solution to it in Saudi as well.

Part of the "lament" is also the disproportionate attention paid to any Saudi/Arab faults while at the same time ignoring, or paying far less attention or giving far less prominence to, Pakistan or Indian faults of the same kind on this forum specifically and, more generally, in Indo-Pak social circles. Note again I am not saying that on this forum Indo-Pak ills are ignored, but when both the Saudis (or Arabs generally) suffer from a particular ill or fault that Indo-Paks do as well, the fact that the Indo-Paks due is seldom highlighted or given the same prominence as the fact that the Saudis/Arabs do. There are many who say that the reason for this is because Saudi Arabia claims to be a country upon the Quran and Sunnah and, as such, that they engage in these vices is more egregious. At other times people maintain it is necessary to highlight these things with a particular prominence because many people have a false, fantastical notion that Saudi Arabia is, indeed, an ideal Muslim state and that this notion needs to be dispeled because it does not jive with reality. However, what these individuals again fail to see is that Pakistan also claims to be a Muslim country. There are many, rather intelligent individuals who continue to be lost in this delusion. In a recently deleted thread where in some of the opinions of Zawahiri on Pakistan that were published in JANG the responses of many rather educated people insisted that somehow Pakistan was an Islamic nation. Given this, is it not also important, especially in a forum dominated by Pakistanis and other Subcontinental types, that this notion is dispeled by bringing to light their hideous faults? Furthermore, is this not even more important because of the absurd notion, bordering on lunacy, that has much traction in this forum, as evidenced
by a number of thread and posts, that, somehow, Pakistan is some potential "savior" of the
Ummah, i.e. that it is some how more qualified than, or most qualified among, the nations
of the world to lead a revival of the Ummah?

Additionally, it is important to highlight the widespread discrimination in the Indo-Pak subcontinent
on racial grounds as well as skin color so that Indo-Pak types stop being so SURPRISED that it
happens in Saudi Arabia since they should have a lifetime of memories of this happening in their own lands. This again is relevant because by ceasing to be "surprised" (or acting as though they are) they can move beyond creating thread after thread on this forum devoted to the subject and perhaps work on solutions or devote their time to something more beneficial.

Lastly, it is important to highlight the fact that the Indo-Pak types on here are blind to the fact that they possess the same faults as their Saudi counterparts, at least as far as discrimination on the basis of language, color, or race is concerned, because this phenomenon itself, i.e. being blind to Paki faults by having 20/20 when it comes to Saudi faults, is also, in my opinion, due to racism as well, a racism of which Pakistanis and Indians are guilty. How is this relevant to the issue of Saudi discrimination in salaries? It is relevant because, it appears to me, that Pakistanis are reaping what they have sown, i.e. discrimination and humiliation for the discrimination and humiliation they have inflicted and continue to inflict on others, and so if they want it to stop, they must stop reaping it rather than crying foul when it happens to them. ("What goes around comes around")

So in sum, higlighting the discrimination that Indians and pakistanis engage in in their own nation
is relevant to the topic this thread because:

1) Understanding why it happens in their own nations may help them understand why it happens
in Saudi, which is probably the first step to devising a solution.

2) It will expose a latent, anti-Saudi/anti-Arab racism that they themselves possess which may be
why they are being punished with such humiliation in the Gulf states.

3) It will wake them up to the fact that, similar to the point above, if they want to stop "reaping"
humiliation and indignities (i.e. upon themselves), they should stop "sowing" them (on others
in their nation).

[Numbiydq]

Nobody can do anything about it. You talk to them, they'll say yes it's wrong. They will accept it as wrong. But does it matter? Their acceptance doesn't rectify the problem does it?

This is quite sad. Since you are living in Saudi Arabia and know some people working in Saudi universities, you may be in a good position to start a thread on the topic " University teaching in an Islamic environment ".

The reason is that some brothers in the West become religious during studying in the university. Many of them become religious during their PhD education. Naturally they look for an opportunity where they can earn money in a good environment .

If a thread has a list of universities in the Muslim countries where sex-segregation is allowed ,or where boys only universities , then it would be beneficial for those religious brothers.

I have heard that KFUPM ( http://www.kfupm.edu.sa/) is a male-only university. Is that true ?

[eXC3Kvnn]

I'm baffled at the logic employed by brother Nomadic in this thread.
If I remember correctly, you are Bangladeshi as origin, right?
Suppose you lived in the UK, so would you find it fair to be paid some 1/6 of a normal wage, due to "taking consideration of the living expenses in your home country"? You wouldn't complain about racism? Would it make sense to you, although you would be living and residing in the UK, thus having to pay and substain UK living expenses?
Then, what's different with Saudi or UAE?

[trubreTab]

This is quite sad. Since you are living in Saudi Arabia and know some people working in Saudi universities, you may be in a good position to start a thread on the topic " University teaching in an Islamic environment ".

The reason is that some brothers in the West become religious during studying in the university. Many of them become religious during their PhD education. Naturally they look for an opportunity where they can earn money in a good environment .

If a thread has a list of universities in the Muslim countries where sex-segregation is allowed ,or where boys only universities , then it would be beneficial for those religious brothers.

I have heard that KFUPM ( http://www.kfupm.edu.sa/) is a male-only university. Is that true ?

All the universities in Saudia are segregated except the new one in Jeddah KAUST. If you are PHD from a western university you get around 20k Riyals/month basic salary + benefits. If you are Phd from any eastern university then you get around 12-13k SAR/month + benefits.

Theres not alot of work in these universities. You give lectures in English and most of the students don't even understand proper english . I have professor relatives and friends who teach here in universities. I saw their exam papers. They seem like class 5 children . Actually, Saudia is a developing country in terms of studies. It's like opening universities in a village. Saudis don't have an education mindset. Allah has blessed them with alot of money (which is changing very quickly), so they don't need to study. But now, they've realized that education is important if you want to earn some money. But the level of university students here is very low.

In short, if you are a professor here, you enjoy life . You dont have to work hard, you don't have to make notes. Nothing at all. Just enjoy it. It's like teaching 5th grade students. You know, Saudi govt pays the Saudi students to study. Whereas in other countries YOU have to pay the University to study.