[grubnismarl]

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[sisuarmalmicy]

Sure, there are no sahih ahadith proving that it even took place on the night of the 27th, but great 'ulama have favoured that view - it could be wrong, it could be right, just like most matters. From these scholars were Imam an-Nawawi ash-Shafi'i and one of the greatest Huffadh of Hadith, the great Hanbali author of 'Umdat al-Ahkam, al-Imam 'Abd al-Ghani al-Maqdisi, radhiy Allahu 'anhuma. Other scholars, differed, no doubt, but it need not be an issue of contention, and certainly not an oppurtunity to target scholars and their understanding of ahadith.was-salam

The question is not which date precisely did the event take place, rather whether reports concerning its celebration are true or not, that is the issue of contention.
It is well known Ihya book does not contain 100% sahih narrations, as acknowledged by Mufti Desai here : http://www28.brinkster.com/mushrf/03...icate_some.htm

[furious1]

Even if there were no sahih ahadith in that regard, brother, 'celebration' (ihtifaal) would be fine, since -- at least linguistically -- ihtifaal simply means to give extra regard and concern oneself with an issue. We are merely using this as an oppurtunity to draw lessons from the night of isra' wa 'l-mi'raj, consider the ahadith narrated regarding it and increase our love of the beloved, sallaLlahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from,

was-salam

Edit:

Of course the ihya' does not contain 100% sahih narrations! No one denies that; that it indicates Imam al-Ghazali's weakness in hadith ... ? that is where we beg to differ. Imam al-Ghazali included weak ahadith for purposes of targhib and tarhib, and in teaching us the fadhilah of various a'maal saalihah. At times the ahadith are extremely weak and/or forged, and this is where we leave them; nevertheless, the instances of this are not very high in the Ihya'.

[grubnismarl]

sidi suleiman are you fasting ?

[sisuarmalmicy]

I hope you understand where I'm coming from,

yes.

[VoriEremiagem]

Is anyone Fasting today ????

Assalamu alaykum

Today is wednesday (muslims normally fast on monday or thursday), and it is not 14th or 15th of month.

[remstaling]

after reading all the thread i am totally confused...INSHALLAH will write this issue to my shykh soon

[Seasmillets]

Reading all your posts, I am more confused now.

I am not feeling good about this because last night, I was about to start the extra worship, recite and do dhikr but I read the article and I gave up on doing it. The article is written in a way that makes you think its better not to do ibadat.

I feel like, I had the oppurtunity and it got snatched away..

[Seasmillets]

Bismillah
I don't care. I am inshallah going to perform nawafil salaat. Sometime focusing on a day helps. It is not about seeing something to be sunnah or wajib. What harm is there to perform salat, read quran. Mufti taqi is likly to be right but looking for any excuse to do good deen can't be all bad as long as one does not see it to be must or somehting special.
allahualam

I should have thought like you, it never crossed my mind.. I missed it

[F1grandprix]

any good video lectures on this miracle ?

[sisuarmalmicy]

as long as one does not see it to be must or somehting special.
allahualam

Wel if it is not something special then why single out this specific night ?
Khayr in the end you do what you do there is no khalifa and no 'Umar () will come to make break your fast for example, but I cannot immagine the sahaba () missed this occasion for decades and we sinners can claim to know better than them, that is how I see it.

[JonatonM]

I feel like, I had the oppurtunity and it got snatched away..

Why? If you read the article of Mufti Taqi Usmani [DB] more carefully, you would know that you can do the same 'Ibaadah also tonight and on every other night of the year.

[Seasmillets]

Why? If you read the article of Mufti Taqi Usmani [DB] more carefully, you would know that you can do the same 'Ibaadah also tonight and on every other night of the year.

Wa alykum Asalam wrwb,

JazakAllah khair

Then what explains what Imam Ghazzali RA wrote?

I agree to what brother Nomadic said, its not about being lazy all year round and sprinting on one night.

[skydaypat]

jazakAllah suleman.

For fadhail even weak hadith can be used, there are many in fadhail amaal.
So even if the hadith mentioned in the quote by ghazalli is weak, so what? it is for fadhail.

People who barely come to pray salaah, finally come to the masjid, then so what if the hadith used was weak? Or is there one rule for fadhail amaal, which i consider to be one of the best books of the last 100 years for tabligh, and another rule for wea hadith used for fadhail by others, even if it is someone almost unanimously considered the mujadid of his century, al ghazali. although i consider mufti taqi to be a gret alim, his article is not the end of the matter. I would prefer to take from al ghazzali than mufti taqi for things like this (not strictly hanafi fiqh)

[sisuarmalmicy]

although i consider mufti taqi to be a gret alim, his article is not the end of the matter. I would prefer to take from al ghazzali than mufti taqi for things like this (not strictly hanafi fiqh)

What about his view on mawlid also "contradicting" some 'ulama of the past ?

Anyways.

[furious1]

Well, bugmenot, fair-minded scholars like Sh. Taha Karaan who graduated from Deoband acknowledge the mawlid's permissibility according to the shafi'i school at least. The reason being that there were *many* great scholars who argued for it. But why bring that up?

[sisuarmalmicy]

Well, bugmenot, fair-minded scholars like Sh. Taha Karaan who graduated from Deoband acknowledge the mawlid's permissibility according to the shafi'i school at least. The reason being that there were *many* great scholars who argued for it. But why bring that up?

Just for argument's sake. He said he's more at ease following Sh Ghazali then Sh Taqi on this issue, but I say why not do it for mawlid also ?

[zdoppiklonikaa]

Well, bugmenot, fair-minded scholars like Sh. Taha Karaan who graduated from Deoband acknowledge the mawlid's permissibility according to the shafi'i school at least. The reason being that there were *many* great scholars who argued for it. But why bring that up?

Why does 'arguing for the Mawlid' mean one is fair-minded?

If you can please outline the last time a mawlid gathering was essentially a Sirah gathering out of the large mawlids held across the Arab world and Indo-Pak and Africa, then I'd like to see it.

[furious1]

This is all off topic; I hope you're not bringing this all up to expose me as a deviant. . . You can always open up a new thread on the topic of the mawlid. Anyway, since you asked. . .

Do you hold it permissible to recite qasa'id? followed by speeches and dua. If so, last Thursday's weekly mawlid at Dar al-Mustafa would fit the bill. Mufti Kawthari wrote about it.

Arguing for the mawlid does not make you fair-minded - acknowledging the existance of major scholars who accepted it, is.

was-salam

[skydaypat]

Just for argument's sake. He said he's more at ease following Sh Ghazali then Sh Taqi on this issue, but I say why not do it for mawlid also ?

I assume you are referring to the mawlid of rabi-ul-awaal, and not the weekly mawlid of fasting on Mondays which is derived from the sunnah.

1. Mawlid of rabi-ul awaal started approx 600 ah. I don't think al ghazzli even has a view on the mawlid as it started after his time.

2. Even if Ghazzali had a pro-view on it, the issue of mawlid and laylatul Isra are worlds apart, becasue the mawlid of rabi-ul-awaal has no refererence from the ahadith, whereas layatul miraj does, as already shown.

And how do you know what my view on mawlid is anyway, when I am not even sure about it myself?