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**Qzmsdoem** · 08-27-2010, 01:02 PM

I don't have a list of the khulafaa of Hadhrat Khwaja Khan Muhammad (rahmatullahi alayhi) at hand.

Assalam Alaikum,

One of the khulafaa of Khawaja Sahab (RA) is Maulana Nazrur Rehman Sahab, the tablighi buzurg in Raiwind. One of my favorite buzurgs!

**RalfDweflywex** · 08-27-2010, 05:42 PM

In the Qadiri silsilah, he also had khilafat from Hadhrat Mawlana Taj Mahmood Amroti (rahmatullahi alayhi) and in the Chishti silsilah from Hadhrat Shaykhul Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya (rahmatullahi alayhi).

mufti sb can u pls point out the source of this?

**RalfDweflywex** · 08-28-2010, 03:20 AM

:SALAM:
Khulfa of Hz.Mulana TAJ MAHMOOD AMROTI (RTA)
taken from famous book Ydey bayza

**estelle** · 08-28-2010, 03:48 AM

mufti sb can u pls point out the source of this?

Anware-Behlawiyya (Biography of Hadhrat Behlawi (rahmatullahi alayhi), Ma'aarife Behlawi and also, Hadhrat Shaykh awr un ke khulafaa'e kiraam

**RalfDweflywex** · 08-28-2010, 03:53 AM

Do you know of any of the illustrious khulafah of shaykh abdullah behlawi rh?.

Khulfa of Hz.Mulana ABDULLAH BEHELVI (RTA)

**dr-eavealer** · 08-28-2010, 05:16 PM

Does anyone know of Maulana Jalaluddin Ahmad Ar-Rowi (rah)? He was a khalifa of Khwaja Muhammad Khan (rah) I think.

**RalfDweflywex** · 08-29-2010, 03:54 AM

I don't have a list of the khulafaa of Hadhrat Khwaja Khan Muhammad (rahmatullahi alayhi) at hand. I know his son, Mawlana Azeez Ahmad Sahib (daamat barakaatuhum) is his successor. Also, Hadhrat Mawlana Anzar Shah Kashmiri (rahmatullahi alayhi) and also the son-in-law and famous student of Hadhrat Allama Kashmiri (rahmatullahi alayhi), Mawlana Raza Ahmad Bijnori (rahmatullahi alayhi) were his khalifas.

Khulfa of Hz. Khwaja KHAN MUHAMMAD (rta)
this list was published in 1997.i.e 13 years ago.hz.Khwaja sb(rta) gave khilafat to some other persons also after that.such as Hazrat mulana Ubaid ullah of Faisalabad.

**RalfDweflywex** · 08-29-2010, 04:04 AM

I don't think that's correct. His name is not listed amongst the khulafaa of Hadhrat Lahori (rahmatullahi alayhi).

Khulfa of Hz. mulana AHMAD ALI LAHORI (rta)

**Farson** · 08-29-2010, 07:21 AM

this is sucha next level thread.. i got lost towards the middle..:S
can someone tell me what the difference or similarity is between naqshbandi, qadri, chisti etc?
and when u say this person is a khalifah of this prson, do you mean they were taught by them in thier madrasah?
i know i sound quite clueless but ive never really understood this..all advice will be appreciated
jazakumullahu kheiran

**Orefsmisits** · 08-29-2010, 07:51 PM

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

How closely do those upon the Qaadiri Tareeqah represent the teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qaadir Jaylaani?

**Orefsmisits** · 09-02-2010, 11:29 PM

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

How closely do those upon the Qaadiri Tareeqah represent the teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qaadir Jaylaani?

Anyone?

**pprropeciaaa** · 09-02-2010, 11:35 PM

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Are there any Deobandi Qaadiri Shaykhs who follow the way of Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani?

If you mean in Tassawuff & Aqeedah then I don't know of any and would love to know.

**Orefsmisits** · 09-02-2010, 11:38 PM

If you mean in Tassawuff & Aqeedah then I don't know of any and would love to know.

As salaam alaikum,

Exactly, because Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani said that there was never a Wali who was upon an Aqeedah different to Imam Ahmad and there never will be!

**pprropeciaaa** · 09-02-2010, 11:48 PM

As salaam alaikum,

Exactly, because Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani said that there was never a Wali who was upon an Aqeedah different to Imam Ahmad and there never will be!

Correct! But in my humble research Ulama of Deoband have taken the Qadri Tassawuff but I have not seen emphasis on aspects of Athari Aqeedah in writings or talks.

I might be wrong but in my humble view Athari Aqeedah is held but not debated with, the more a person debates with it the more they will have to indulge in "Kalam".

Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dehlawi (RA) and others are prime examples who clearly held Athari Aqeedah but didn't make a "scene about it" if you know what I mean.

Allah (SWT) knows best.

**Dxwlxqvg** · 09-03-2010, 12:42 AM

Mawlana Abdul Hayy Abid (hafizahullah) from Pakistan (brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasmi

) is from the Qadiri tareeqah, since he is a khalifah of Shaykh Ahmad Ali Lahori

. He clearly mentioned it in a speech when he came Blackburn about 2/3 months ago. By the way he is an amazing person to listen to, I think what some people on SF call "jalaali". He loves Gujaratis too!!

**pertikuss** · 09-03-2010, 01:21 AM

Mawlana Abdul Hayy Abid (hafizahullah) from Pakistan (brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasmi shaheed ) is from the Qadiri tareeqah, since he is a khalifah of Shaykh Ahmad Ali Lahori . He clearly mentioned it in a speech when he came Blackburn about 2/3 months ago. By the way he is an amazing person to listen to, I think what some people on SF call "jalaali". He loves Gujaratis too!!

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Did you mean Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi Shahid?

Because Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi (may Allah have mercy on them) had a natural death.

**Dxwlxqvg** · 09-03-2010, 01:57 AM

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Did you mean Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi Shahid?

Because Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi (may Allah have mercy on them) had a natural death.

Oh!!

for the correction!! I may have made a mistake but I'm sure i can remebering him saying he is the brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi, plz correct me if i'm wrong. I think another brother told me he was shaheed, or maybe I'm just making a mistake!!! i'll change it anyway.

**pertikuss** · 09-03-2010, 02:05 AM

Oh!! for the reminder!! I may have made a mistake but I'm sure i can remebering him saying he is the brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi, plz correct me if i'm wrong. I think another brother told me he was shaheed, or maybe I'm just making a mistake!!! i'll change it anyway.

Assalam o 'alaykum,

I am not saying anything about the relation of Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy 'Abid with Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi. Maybe they are brothers. But I know that he was not Shahid. But it was Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi who was martyred by the Rawafid.

Mufti Zar Wali Khan on Mawlana Zia ul-Qasimi -

http://www.4shared.com/audio/0gbcneN...on_Hadhra.html

**Dxwlxqvg** · 09-03-2010, 02:06 AM

Assalam o 'alaykum,

I am not saying anything about the relation of Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy 'Abid with Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi. Maybe they are brothers. But I know that he was not Shahid. But it was Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi who was martyred by the Rawafid.

Mufti Zar Wali Khan on Mawlana Zia ul-Qasimi -

http://www.4shared.com/audio/0gbcneN...on_Hadhra.html

OK,

.

**JosephEL** · 09-03-2010, 04:21 AM

Assalam Alaikum,

Walikumasalam

One of the khulafaa of Khawaja Sahab (RA) is Maulana Nazrur Rehman Sahab, the tablighi buzurg in Raiwind. One of my favorite buzurgs!

Walikumsalam

Is Maulana Nazur Rehman saheb, the buzurg in Raiwand whose 4 rakat sunnat of zuhar, 40 minutes long ?

08-27-2010, 01:02 PM	#21
Qzmsdoem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	I don't have a list of the khulafaa of Hadhrat Khwaja Khan Muhammad (rahmatullahi alayhi) at hand. Assalam Alaikum, One of the khulafaa of Khawaja Sahab (RA) is Maulana Nazrur Rehman Sahab, the tablighi buzurg in Raiwind. One of my favorite buzurgs! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-27-2010, 05:42 PM	#22
RalfDweflywex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	In the Qadiri silsilah, he also had khilafat from Hadhrat Mawlana Taj Mahmood Amroti (rahmatullahi alayhi) and in the Chishti silsilah from Hadhrat Shaykhul Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya (rahmatullahi alayhi). mufti sb can u pls point out the source of this? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-28-2010, 03:20 AM	#23
RalfDweflywex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	:SALAM: Khulfa of Hz.Mulana TAJ MAHMOOD AMROTI (RTA) taken from famous book Ydey bayza Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-28-2010, 03:48 AM	#24
estelle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	mufti sb can u pls point out the source of this? Anware-Behlawiyya (Biography of Hadhrat Behlawi (rahmatullahi alayhi), Ma'aarife Behlawi and also, Hadhrat Shaykh awr un ke khulafaa'e kiraam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-28-2010, 03:53 AM	#25
RalfDweflywex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	Do you know of any of the illustrious khulafah of shaykh abdullah behlawi rh?. Khulfa of Hz.Mulana ABDULLAH BEHELVI (RTA) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-28-2010, 05:16 PM	#26
dr-eavealer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	Does anyone know of Maulana Jalaluddin Ahmad Ar-Rowi (rah)? He was a khalifa of Khwaja Muhammad Khan (rah) I think. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2010, 03:54 AM	#27
RalfDweflywex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	I don't have a list of the khulafaa of Hadhrat Khwaja Khan Muhammad (rahmatullahi alayhi) at hand. I know his son, Mawlana Azeez Ahmad Sahib (daamat barakaatuhum) is his successor. Also, Hadhrat Mawlana Anzar Shah Kashmiri (rahmatullahi alayhi) and also the son-in-law and famous student of Hadhrat Allama Kashmiri (rahmatullahi alayhi), Mawlana Raza Ahmad Bijnori (rahmatullahi alayhi) were his khalifas. Khulfa of Hz. Khwaja KHAN MUHAMMAD (rta) this list was published in 1997.i.e 13 years ago.hz.Khwaja sb(rta) gave khilafat to some other persons also after that.such as Hazrat mulana Ubaid ullah of Faisalabad. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2010, 04:04 AM	#28
RalfDweflywex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	I don't think that's correct. His name is not listed amongst the khulafaa of Hadhrat Lahori (rahmatullahi alayhi). Khulfa of Hz. mulana AHMAD ALI LAHORI (rta) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2010, 07:21 AM	#29
Farson Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	this is sucha next level thread.. i got lost towards the middle..:S can someone tell me what the difference or similarity is between naqshbandi, qadri, chisti etc? and when u say this person is a khalifah of this prson, do you mean they were taught by them in thier madrasah? i know i sound quite clueless but ive never really understood this..all advice will be appreciated jazakumullahu kheiran Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2010, 07:51 PM	#30
Orefsmisits Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah, How closely do those upon the Qaadiri Tareeqah represent the teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qaadir Jaylaani? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-02-2010, 11:29 PM	#31
Orefsmisits Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah, How closely do those upon the Qaadiri Tareeqah represent the teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qaadir Jaylaani? Anyone? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-02-2010, 11:35 PM	#32
pprropeciaaa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah, Are there any Deobandi Qaadiri Shaykhs who follow the way of Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani? If you mean in Tassawuff & Aqeedah then I don't know of any and would love to know. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-02-2010, 11:38 PM	#33
Orefsmisits Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	If you mean in Tassawuff & Aqeedah then I don't know of any and would love to know. As salaam alaikum, Exactly, because Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani said that there was never a Wali who was upon an Aqeedah different to Imam Ahmad and there never will be! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-02-2010, 11:48 PM	#34
pprropeciaaa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	As salaam alaikum, Exactly, because Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylaani said that there was never a Wali who was upon an Aqeedah different to Imam Ahmad and there never will be! Correct! But in my humble research Ulama of Deoband have taken the Qadri Tassawuff but I have not seen emphasis on aspects of Athari Aqeedah in writings or talks. I might be wrong but in my humble view Athari Aqeedah is held but not debated with, the more a person debates with it the more they will have to indulge in "Kalam". Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dehlawi (RA) and others are prime examples who clearly held Athari Aqeedah but didn't make a "scene about it" if you know what I mean. Allah (SWT) knows best. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 12:42 AM	#35
Dxwlxqvg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	Mawlana Abdul Hayy Abid (hafizahullah) from Pakistan (brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasmi ) is from the Qadiri tareeqah, since he is a khalifah of Shaykh Ahmad Ali Lahori . He clearly mentioned it in a speech when he came Blackburn about 2/3 months ago. By the way he is an amazing person to listen to, I think what some people on SF call "jalaali". He loves Gujaratis too!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 01:21 AM	#36
pertikuss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	Mawlana Abdul Hayy Abid (hafizahullah) from Pakistan (brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasmi shaheed ) is from the Qadiri tareeqah, since he is a khalifah of Shaykh Ahmad Ali Lahori . He clearly mentioned it in a speech when he came Blackburn about 2/3 months ago. By the way he is an amazing person to listen to, I think what some people on SF call "jalaali". He loves Gujaratis too!! Assalam o 'alaykum, Did you mean Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi Shahid? Because Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi (may Allah have mercy on them) had a natural death. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 01:57 AM	#37
Dxwlxqvg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	Assalam o 'alaykum, Did you mean Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi Shahid? Because Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi (may Allah have mercy on them) had a natural death. Oh!! for the correction!! I may have made a mistake but I'm sure i can remebering him saying he is the brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi, plz correct me if i'm wrong. I think another brother told me he was shaheed, or maybe I'm just making a mistake!!! i'll change it anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 02:05 AM	#38
pertikuss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	Oh!! for the reminder!! I may have made a mistake but I'm sure i can remebering him saying he is the brother of Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi, plz correct me if i'm wrong. I think another brother told me he was shaheed, or maybe I'm just making a mistake!!! i'll change it anyway. Assalam o 'alaykum, I am not saying anything about the relation of Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy 'Abid with Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi. Maybe they are brothers. But I know that he was not Shahid. But it was Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi who was martyred by the Rawafid. Mufti Zar Wali Khan on Mawlana Zia ul-Qasimi - http://www.4shared.com/audio/0gbcneN...on_Hadhra.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 02:06 AM	#39
Dxwlxqvg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	Assalam o 'alaykum, I am not saying anything about the relation of Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy 'Abid with Mawlana Zia al-Qasimi. Maybe they are brothers. But I know that he was not Shahid. But it was Mawlana Isar al-Qasimi who was martyred by the Rawafid. Mufti Zar Wali Khan on Mawlana Zia ul-Qasimi - http://www.4shared.com/audio/0gbcneN...on_Hadhra.html OK, . Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-03-2010, 04:21 AM	#40
JosephEL Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	Assalam Alaikum, Walikumasalam One of the khulafaa of Khawaja Sahab (RA) is Maulana Nazrur Rehman Sahab, the tablighi buzurg in Raiwind. One of my favorite buzurgs! Walikumsalam Is Maulana Nazur Rehman saheb, the buzurg in Raiwand whose 4 rakat sunnat of zuhar, 40 minutes long ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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