[TheBest-Host]

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[bribiaLaubysdggf]

What can Muslims who live in “Non-Muslim” lands teach Muslims of native Muslim lands?

I can't quite come up with anything.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

I would belong to the first category : Muslims who live in “Non-Muslim” lands .

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

India.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

Your Ulama and leaders have worked hard to ensure that your Islamic Rights are protected under All India Muslim Personal Law Board

VS

Pakistani Muslims still have "colonial and Non-Islamic domestic laws" and little or no legal protection of their Islamic rights.

What makes you think that its a small or insigficant achievement?

Wow, i wasn't aware of the condition Pakistan. In India we do have 'Islamic Laws' for inheritance, divorce etc. Alhamdulillah.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

This thread isn't about "India vs Pakistan" but giving people something to think about...

I get the point. The condition in 'muslim countries' are often unfavourable for practicing muslims. Turkey, libya etc. This is really bad.

[masaredera]

Assalam alaykum Colonel,

Will you give your assessment of Muslims in America? Thank you.

Wassalam

[Pcodaygs]

Assalam alaykum Colonel,

Will you give your assessment of Muslims in America? Thank you.

Wassalam

And Australia if possible?

[uranbigis]

Assalamu alaykum

Ask the people who live in gulf, what the doctors from muslim countries, Egypt, Pakistan or the local ones can learn from Indian muslim doctors working there. I understand the locals prefer Indian doctors over other doctors from muslim countries.

These Indian doctors have overcome many obstacles.

[Filmania]

In America Mosques across the country have Sisters selling tea, lunch or other stuff after Friday prayers or on weekends or Sunday School and raising Money. In Muslim world (and even in UK) that’s hardly EVER seen!

Women don't exist!

to be fair though from what i have noticed there seems to be a lot more mixing within males and females in the muslim community in america, i may be generalising from what i have seen but if you take isocs vs msa's for example the MSA's in the US seem way more relaxed when it comes to pardah compared to most of the london based isocs

they do have these little baking sales in the UK as well but the women are usually out of sight and only selling to other sisters

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

to be fair though from what i have noticed there seems to be a lot more mixing within males and females in the muslim community in america, i may be generalising from what i have seen but if you take isocs vs msa's for example the MSA's in the US seem way more relaxed when it comes to pardah compared to most of the london based isocs

they do have these little baking sales in the UK as well but the women are usually out of sight and only selling to other sisters

MSA and ISOC must be the Islamic students associations i suppose.

[Filmania]

True and agreed except that to this day I have no idea how much mixing is allowed and what is disallowed.

In the time of Rasul-ullah Women offered themselves in marriage and if you can give me some examples from our culture where women have offered themselves to a brother for marriage; I’ll be grateful.

i know of plenty of cases where sisters have proposed to brothers, they just don't approach them directly in most cases, they get someone else to pass a message on to the brother, sometimes a shaykh or isoc president etc

[VEGLAS - SPB]

What can Muslims who live in “Non-Muslim” lands teach Muslims of native Muslim lands?

How to be a great Law-Abiding citizen. How to stop at traffic lights even though there's no Shurta or Tulla (names for police men in saudia and pakistan), how to stand in a straight line at the bank. How to behave like cultured human being in Mataf while trying to Kiss Hajr e Aswad rather than prove to the world that we are from jungles.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

MSA = Muslims in American Universities

ISOC = Muslims in British Universities

And I am not sure how much of ISOC is cultural values and how much of MSA is American values.

I have heard in a lecture by an American scholar that even if MSA has its downs, students are better off in MSA than with other Non-Muslim friends.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

i wouldnt like to derail the subject, but mention that Mufti Rafi Usmani has mentioned, the constitution of pakistan is very much Islamic. dont know how old the interview was.
and Ml Taliban, u've got it right again.

[adariseediups]

How to be a great Law-Abiding citizen. How to stop at traffic lights even though there's no Shurta or Tulla (names for police men in saudia and pakistan), how to stand in a straight line at the bank. How to behave like cultured human being in Mataf while trying to Kiss Hajr e Aswad rather than prove to the world that we are from jungles.

^That post was epic. Why do Muslims have such a hard time obeying the rules? At any gathering, it's like dealing with a classroom full of kindergarteners. They seem to think they are exempt from the rules. For example: during Ramadhan, the masajid get packed because of the influx of Ramadhan-only musallis. Naturally, there isn't enough parking space, so what do people do? Double-park, block the driveways of non-Muslim neighbors (what kind of impression will those people get), and otherwise commit illegal, inconveniencing and dangerous actions, because they don't care about anything but their own self-interests.

I live in America, and this behavior is mostly that of new immigrants or those who still retain their "back home" mentality. Those who were raised here usually don't do things like this. This issue is endemic amongst "old world" Muslims.

[VEGLAS - SPB]

True and agreed except that to this day I have no idea how much mixing is allowed and what is disallowed.

In the time of Rasul-ullah Women offered themselves in marriage and if you can give me some examples from our culture where women have offered themselves to a brother for marriage; I’ll be grateful.

Sheikh, the women offered themselves to Rasool Allah Can you please point out some other stories where women offered themselves in marriage?

It does happen alot in our times... Mujhay tum se shadi karni hai :P

[Filmania]

100% Agreed.



Sayyidi,

I don’t have exact references but I believe that you are talking about “Bollywood love stories” vs I am talking about the Sahaba (RA).

In my opinion (and from my reading) the Sahaba (RA) had a much more “sensible approach” to marriage and divorce.

In my observation we either have a totally culturally rooted approach to marriage and divorce OR we have a totally “Free for all” approach.

Somehow the Sahaba (RA) managed a society where everybody was either married or had an opportunity (to get 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife) while despite our adaptation to Bollywood we still have problems with people getting married and God help the ones who are divorced (particularly women).

In response to you & Sr Aram I need to formulate my thoughts better as I am not sure what I am trying to say at the moment.

To me the society of Sahaba was “more modern to us” in this respect and don't know if its the right word to use or not.

i think open-minded would maybe be a better word?

im not sure about the arab lands but in indo/pak the Muslims are heavily influenced by the culture of non-muslims, namely the hindus, they look down on divorcees and widows and Muslims have picked up the same attitude

I think Muslims in the west (at least those who have been born and raised here) are coming slightly away from these cultural things added into islam and have learned to separate culture from Islam, i guess this is one thing muslims in the west can teach other muslims in lands where Muslims are heavily influenced by culture

wallahu alam

[VEGLAS - SPB]

Sayyidi,

I don’t have exact references but I believe that you are talking about “Bollywood love stories” vs I am talking about the Sahaba (RA).

To me the society of Sahaba was “more modern to us” in this respect and don't know if its the right word to use or not.

Sheikh (DB), I think the women in Sahaba's (رضي الله عنه) time never really needed to offer themselves in marriage because of the sheer amount of Proposals they received even after their divorces and their husband's death. It was so immediate after their divorces or husband's death, that Allah put a restriction on them:

وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا عَرَّضْتُم بِهِ مِنْ خِطْبَةِ النِّسَاء أَوْ أَكْنَنتُمْ فِي أَنفُسِكُمْ عَلِمَ اللَّهُ أَنَّكُمْ سَتَذْكُرُونَهُنَّ وَلَكِن لاَّ تُوَاعِدُوهُنَّ سِرًّا إِلاَّ أَن تَقُولُواْ قَوْلاً مَّعْرُوفًا وَلاَ تَعْزِمُواْ عُقْدَةَ النِّكَاحِ حَتَّىَ يَبْلُغَ الْكِتَابُ أَجَلَهُ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي أَنفُسِكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ
There is no sin on you if you hint as a proposal to the women, or conceal it in your hearts. Allah knows that you will make mention of them. But do not make a promise to them secretly, except that you speak in a recognized manner. Nor resolve upon a contract of marriage until the prescribed time is reached. Be assured that Allah knows what is in your hearts. So, fear Him and be assured that Allah is most Forgiving, Forbearing.

As the above post suggest, "open-minded" is a better word. It wasn't thought to be a crime if a woman proposed herself, or if a Sahabi went himself to propose to someone's daughter of sister. They were very open minded about Nikah itself, whether be 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

The best example would be when a woman came and said to Rasool Allah I want to marry you. Rasool Allah did not answer her, another Sahabi was sitting there. He thought this is a good chance , so he said Ya Rasool Allah i want to marry her.

Would a mureed dare to do that infront of his Sheikh today?

[LSDDSL]

To try to reach a broader consensus in Islamic rulings Indian Muslims have “Islamic Fiqh Aacemy (India)” where “Non-Deobandi Scholars” also come and present their point of view and its done on a National level.

Pakistan has no such forum apart from Karachi where "Deobandi Ulama" get together but in matters of Ijtehaad Pakistani Ulama quote “Islamic Fiqh Aacemy (India)” .

Walaikum Salam,

Colonle Sahib, I am from Chennai - south India. A year before Mufti Taqi Usmani while on tour to India visited Chennai also. There was a program for ulemas. Though I am a layman Imam of my local masjid (He is MUFTI from Deoband) asked me to join with him in the program.

At end of the program even I got a chance to have musafa with the great scholar Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb.

Never in my wild dream I could have imagined this.....