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Old 07-03-2011, 05:40 AM   #1
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Default alliance or conflict between jamat-ulama-islam (JUI) and Jamat Islami (JI)?
I have received news from my relatives in my home town of pakistan (Pullandri, Azad Kashmir) that Maulana Saeed (son of maulana yusuf khan rahmatullah alayh) was narrowly defeated in the recent kashmir elections by the candidate of the Muslim league party.

what saddened me even more was that Jamat Islami supported the muslim League candidate rather than their Islamic brother.

why are pakistani islamic parties unable to unite? is the picture the same outside of kashmir?
why are jamat islami prepared to ally with a secular party rather than their natural islamic allies?
is pakistani politics too corrupt and inept that positive change cannot happen from within?
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:07 AM   #2
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Aji choryay in baato ko! ye lambay aur paycheeda afsaanay haen! (Leave this brother! These are long and complicated stories)!
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:11 AM   #3
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yes, im still thinking about ulema supporting MQM. This has been giving me nightmares for the last few days. I wish I could share the pain.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:48 AM   #4
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Participation in democracy and elections is one of the biggest innovations of our time. Most of the Ahlul Hadeeth in Pakistan have distanced themselves from Professor Sajid Meer, the leader of Markazi Jamiyat Ahli Hadeeth, who is a member of the Senate. The most senior scholars, especially from Saudi Arabia and Yemen, have warned all Muslims from participating in democracy, elections, and politics.

When you participate in a system, you are giving tacit approval of it.

Even though Pakistan is a democracy, most Pakistanis reject democracy, because in the last election only about 20% of registered voters voted.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:05 PM   #5
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yes, im still thinking about ulema supporting MQM. This has been giving me nightmares for the last few days. I wish I could share the pain.
which ones? Who?
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:00 AM   #6
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which ones? Who?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsxa_wC-FI


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Old 07-05-2011, 07:29 AM   #7
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....what saddened me even more was that Jamat Islami supported the muslim League candidate rather than their Islamic brother.

why are pakistani islamic parties unable to unite? ....why are jamat islami prepared to ally with a secular party rather than their natural islamic allies?
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Because at the end of the day, a political party is a political party.

There is something about the structure of the system that predetermines the range of likely tactics, strategies, and outcomes.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:30 AM   #8
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I wonder why will someone vote for JUI now. Don't we know what they did in Musharaf's era? The last of the plots of Fazal ur rehman was the most disturbing when he promised to get the NWFP assembly resigned , where his party was ruling in collation with JI, so that a legal obstacle can be created in the Musharaf's re-election as a president and then Fazal ur Rehman deceived JI. Ji resigned from the assembly and JUI resigned after the date of submission of papers of Musharaf and even that was just a face saving tactic. I see no future for JUI and i don't see any reason why it should be supported.
There are some good people in JUI like Mufti Kifayat Ullah and Hafiz Hussain Ahmed etc but the party has been taken over by the likes of Maulana Shirani. I hope someday the people of the Pashtun belt of Balochistan which is currently the only left vote center of JUI , get educated about their atrocities and would stop supporting them.
Deception is always a deplorable act but when it is maneuvered in the name of religion then it should be dealt as crime of high degree.

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Aey kushta e sultani o mullai o peeri
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:48 AM   #9
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I always wanted to know, why did Sami ul Haq faction separate from JUI?
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