[NiliSpuppypax]

What do women get if men get houris? This is a question asked by many women. In reply they are told that even though they won’t get houris, they will be made the queens of paradise (and thus the houris will become their servants) and they will be more beautiful than them. I don’t get how this is equivalent to the men’s reward of houris? I mean the men will be made the kings of paradise too and they will also be made better looking than they are now. So the gift of beauty and leadership is not only meant for the women only. It seems to me that the houris are EXTRA gifts for men. Please tell me whether God loves men more than women? Besides, www.************ says that the hadiths that mentions that the human women will be more beautiful than the houris and will be the queens of paradise aren’t sound. But for the sake of argument let’s ignore it for the moment. The only hadiths I found that compares the human women with the houris says that we will be “superior” and “will have virtue over them”. Where is it DIRECTLY written that we will be more beautiful and the queens? The Holy Quran and Hadith are filled with so much praises of the houris (nothing about us accept that we will be fair in complexion and will have lights on our faces) and the way the men rave about them, makes it almost impossible for me to believe those aforementioned facts and it sort of lowers my morale, also since those hadiths aren’t sound. People say that human women will be seventy times more beautiful than the houris. But it is also known that if someone turns his or her face away from the houris, they will become seventy times more beautiful, thus becoming equal in beauty to us. Their beauty also increases when their husbands go to a certain market, where the wind increases the latter’s beauty. The houris have their own servants, palaces and all the luxuries of heaven, just like the Muslims will have when they will enter it. Doesn’t that mean that they are equal in status to us? Personally, I don’t want to be the queens of the houris; I would rather kick them out of heaven, LOL. What kind of servants curses their masters (they curse the women who annoy their husbands)? And come to think of it if I want one of the houris to braid my hair and at the same time my husband wants to spend some intimate time with her, what will happen then? I think my husband and I will have to start a tug of war game with the houri; “No she will be mine!”, “No she will be with me to braid my hair!” What if I want to spend intimate time with my husband when he will be busy with one of those heavenly creatures, what will I do? Who will satisfy me? Do I have to wait until my husband is finished with her? Isn’t paradise the place where I don’t have to wait for what I want? Well, the fact that a man will have the strength of hundred men for intercourse won’t exactly work, since sex is not the only thing a woman wants from man. Will the fact that I will be more beautiful and the queen help me? If I order them to stay away from my husband, will they listen, since they also have to listen to my husband too? And while thinking about the houris us women forget the other human woman who will be married to our husbands; the one who either died unmarried or whose husband is in hell. This is the woman who will also be more beautiful than the houris and will be the queen of paradise too, since she is a human too and had also worshipped God. Now it seems that we women will not only have to share our husbands, but our status as a queen too.

Some scholars say that women will get houris too. How is this possible, since the Holy Quran describes the houris as full-breasted and with intact hymen? How is this applicable to a male houri? And there is also a hadith where Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was asked about the equivalent of houris for women. He replied that a woman’s pious husband is going to be her husband in paradise. Some people say that the ghilmans will be a woman’s equivalent of houris. But it is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran that they will only BE SERVANTS (both men and women will get them), and the human men will BE MARRIED to the houris. Besides, if God had intended for us to have more than one husband, He would have allowed the women who had multiple husbands in this life, to take all her husbands to paradise with her.

Yes I shouldn’t worry about this, since jealousy from my heart will be removed. It is strange how we women have to go on sacrificing without reaping its rewards. And if that is the case why can’t God remove jealousy from the houris’ hearts, since they curse the human women for annoying their husbands out of jealousy? After all they are women too, and isn’t it the rule with God that women have to sacrifice their desires instead of the men? I think God loves the houris more than us. Why is it mentioned in one of the hadiths that the wives of a man will be standing in separate corners of a palace, waiting for their husband, and can’t see each other? WHY AREN’T THE WIVES ALLOWED TO SEE EACH OTHER IF THERE IS NO JEALOUSY? And does a woman enter paradise just to stand and wait for her husband so that he can enjoy her? Does God love the men more, because He realises how jealous and upset they will be if they have to share their wives, so He does not allow the women to have extra husbands and forces them to be content with one husband? Why women who had more than one husbands in this life can’t choose among them in the afterlife and has to stick with the last one (the hadith that says that a woman will be with her last husband is the most correct one according to www.************)? Does He really care for the women’s feelings? I am talking about those who want multiple husbands, and yes they do exist, not me though because I will be satisfied with just one. I can’t even comfort myself by thinking that if I ever have a husband, he will only want me, whether in this life or the afterlife. Because it is written in the Holy Quran, “SO IT SHALL BE, We shall wed them to wide-eyed houris.” And a hadith says that GOD WON’T ADMIT ANYONE IN PARADISE but he will wed the men to the houris. I guess if a man wants to stay only with his wife, he will be re-programmed to want more. Men exactly doesn’t have a choice here, do they? If that wasn’t the case, what will the houris and the women who were either unmarried or had their husbands in hell do if they are not married to their potential husbands, because the latter didn’t choose them? It seems to me that God will just brainwash us if He can’t fulfill our wishes, so that “we will be happy.” The verse of the Holy Quran “Therein you shall have all that your inner selves shall desire,” won’t be fulfilled as our ‘inner desires’ will be controlled and modified. But then Allah is my God and Creator, and I have got to be obey to Him.

[Nigeopire]

It is not possible to use the limited wordly logic/ration on the infinitely complex and never ending akhira. If you want it you will get It there. Whether that means your husband will have to be in multiple places at the same time, then so be it.

[Paladin]

some peoples' minds work overtime...it's scarey.

we can't even comprehend the meaning of infinity yet we want to talk and understand about the hereafter?

when we were in our mother's womb we thought THAT was existence, yet we knew nothing, zilch about the world beyond that. looking back, it's laughable our state in the dark of the mother's womb. same applies with the womb of this life.

wanting multiple men is not befitting of a chaste woman. those that do...well there's a word for them which i won't repeat here. any feminist (obvious which one) is offended....take it up with Allah SWT on the day of Judgement. (if you dare)

[D6b2v1HA]

Sister, its all about Quality and not Quantity.

For example i want a toy which i extremly love. my father gave me that one, and i am very happy.

My brother wanted to have same toy, but he got 5 toys which he didnt like the one which he wanted. so who got more? my bro or me? my bro got more in quantity, but i got more in quality. at teh end i am the happiest one as i am satisfied so it doesnt matter about the number of toys(huuris!). In paradise woman will not be less satisfied than man.

Surah An-Nisâ' (4):194:
And whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a true believer in the Oneness of
Allâh (Muslim), such will enter Paradise and not the least injustice, even to the size of aNaqîra
(speck on the back of a datestone), will be done to them.
I guess if a man wants to stay only with his wife, he will be re-programmed to want more. Sister, stop guessing about what will happen in Jannah, Allah hasnt created our mind enough to understand how jannah is.
And our mind will not work same way in paradise ike in this World, neither our feelings will be same like this world. he will be re-programmed to want more. Men exactly doesn’t have a choice here, do they? Allah will satisfy us withwhatever we want, and not manipulate us.

We, the men and women are equal in the sight of Allah (SWT) except for those whom are more pious. Just because we're equal doesn’t mean we're exactly the same. We have physical, mental and emotional differences. Men have superiority over women in certain aspects such as physical strength, while women have more superiority over men from a caring and nurturing perspective. In the same manner, like our
differences, we may have rewards that are different from one another, but that in no way suggest
inequality. If you want to reward your son for something, perhaps you'll let him play a video
game for example, whereas if you want to reward your daughter, perhaps you'll let her invite her
friend over, or buy her something nice. Men and women have different needs and wants so
obviously rewards would differ.

Having said that, the gretest reward for the Muslim believers, men and women, in Jannah
(Paradise) will be to view the Countenance (Appearance) of Allah (SWT). And for the believers
there will be nothing more delightful than looking at Him;

This is mentioned in the following Hadiths:
Imam Ahmad recorded from Suhayb ibn Sinan ar-Rumi: The Messenger of Allah recited, (the

words meaning), “For those who have done good is the best and even more.” [Sura Yunus, 26] He said, “When the people of Paradise enter Paradise, a caller will say: `O people of Paradise, Allah has promised you something that He wishes to fulfill.' They will reply: `What is it Has He not made our Scale heavy Has He not made our faces white and delivered us from Fire?' He (the narrater) said:"Allah will then remove the veil (from their eyes), and they will look at the
Countenance (Appearance) of Allah, the Mighty, the Majestic.” He said, “By Allah, they have not
been given anything dearer to them and more delightful than looking at Him.” [Tafsir Ibn Kathir,
Muslim]
Narrated Suhayb ibn Sinan ar-Rumi: The Apostle of Allah said: "When those deserving of
Paradise would enter Paradise, the Blessed and the Exalted would ask: Do you wish Me to give
you anything more? They would say: Has You not brightened our faces? Has You not made us
enter Paradise and saved us from Fire? He (the narrator) said: He (God) would lift the veil (from
their eyes), and of things given to them nothing would be dearer to them than the sight of their
Lord, the Mighty and the Glorious." [Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 0347]
Doubtless we, the men and women, are promissed to have what we want in Paradise (Jannah);
Allâh (SWT) says in the Holy Quran:
"Therein you shall have (all) that your inner selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for
which you ask for.”
[Sura Fussilat 41:31-32]
"ALLAH KNOWS BEST"

[Texdolley]

LOL, all of this falsafah and waffle about something beyond comprehension.

By the way, even if there weren't houris, my drive for worship -- as a male -- would not be affected in the slightest.

[QvhhbjLy]

None of this is 'rational,' it says in the Quran (interpretation) that Allah has prepared for us what eyes have never seen and ears have never heard. Every description in all of the creation could never come close to matching the sublime and absolute, eternal perfection that is Jannah. So why are you 'rationalizing' about it?

We will be (inshaAllah) happy there forever and ever, with no sadness or sorrow, and no pain. What's this about 'brainwashing,' how on earth can you say that about Allah ? Much of your tone is ungrateful towards Him. You realize that had He decreed it, you would not have been able to type this spiel and post it on the internet? Had He not willed it otherwise, the air you are breathing right now would do your lungs no good- they would heave and gasp until you simply died! Had He not willed it otherwise, your heart would not be beating right now and sustaining you! Had He not willed it, the food you ate for dinner or lunch would have not nourished you or been broken down thusly and would have done nothing, nothing at all for you- had He willed it it could have turned to dust and ashes in your mouth, and here you are accusing him of 'brainwashing?' Naudhubillah!

[NiliSpuppypax]

I know that my tone sounds ungrateful, but these questions are running in my mind. I don't want multiple husbands. I will be satisfied with one. I was just speaking out or those who wants such rewards. And please brother Marco, don't be so rude. If women who wants multiple husbands are blankety-blank, then so are the men. That's because men also exists in such profession, you know what I am talking about? And I am sorry if I have offended any (we all know who) male chauvinist.

[worldofwarcraft]

Rational Muslimah,

Please start doing some zikr, read Quran, read ahadith.

The first question is, what did we do to go to Jannat?

It is strange how we women have to go on sacrificing without reaping its rewards. Has anyone made such a big sacrifice that they DESERVE Jannat in return? Be grateful that you are saved from Hell and going into Jannat. It's Allah's mercy he's sending us to Jannat. We didn't do anything.

What's the biggest sacrifice on can make for Allah? Give his life. Okay? So this giving his life is not even a sacrifice in reality. It was given by Allah in the first place. You didn't own it, you didn't earn it, you didn't make it. It was given by Allah alone, so giving it back is not really a big sacrifice.

What are the other sacrifices? Cooking food for the husband, yeah well that's not a big sacrficie for Allah. It's for yourself and your husband. What are the other sacrificies?

Tell me one sacrifice which makes you deserve Jannat.

[Lån-Penge]

A wise man once told me this. What would happen on the Day of Judgement if it is told to the people entering Paradise ''Only those entering Hell will be allowed to have sex''. My instincs tel me 99 percent of men will leave and go stand in the que for Hell. The point is, sex and women plays a major major role in what men would want in Paradise, and how easier to get us listening than by offering us lots of women. Thats not neccasirily generaly the case with women (dreaming of having multiple spouses). Sorry if i offended anybody but thats what i think it comes down to.

[NiliSpuppypax]

Rational Muslimah,

Please start doing some zikr, read Quran, read ahadith.

The first question is, what did we do to go to Jannat?



Has anyone made such a big sacrifice that they DESERVE Jannat in return? Be grateful that you are saved from Hell and going into Jannat. It's Allah's mercy he's sending us to Jannat. We didn't do anything.

What's the biggest sacrifice on can make for Allah? Give his life. Okay? So this giving his life is not even a sacrifice in reality. It was given by Allah in the first place. You didn't own it, you didn't earn it, you didn't make it. It was given by Allah alone, so giving it back is not really a big sacrifice.

What are the other sacrifices? Cooking food for the husband, yeah well that's not a big sacrficie for Allah. It's for yourself and your husband. What are the other sacrificies?

Tell me one sacrifice which makes you deserve Jannat.

Well if a woman becomes a martyr, will she get exactly the same thing as a man will? No. They will get the houris. And by sacrifices, I didn't mean domestic chores. Do you think women are only meant for such work? Us women have to be under our husbands/fathers/brothers/sons because God has given them the right. If we don't obey our husbands our good deeds won't reach God. We get half the inheritance of men and so on. I understand that this is our test, but can't we be freed from these tests in paradise? Now you will say it's God's rule. My question is, what is the logic behind it? I am not bashing the rules.

[NiliSpuppypax]

A wise man once told me this. What would happen on the Day of Judgement if it is told to the people entering Paradise ''Only those entering Hell will be allowed to have sex''. My instincs tel me 99 percent of men will leave and go stand in the que for Hell. The point is, sex and women plays a major major role in what men would want in Paradise, and how easier to get us listening than by offering us lots of women. Thats not neccasirily generaly the case with women (dreaming of having multiple spouses). Sorry if i offended anybody but thats what i think it comes down to.

I understand you brother Shaan. But there are some women who would also stand in que for hell if that was the case.

[worldofwarcraft]

Well if a woman becomes a martyr, will she get exactly the same thing as a man will? No. They will get the houris. And by sacrifices, I didn't mean domestic chores. Do you think women are only meant for such work? Us women have to be under our husbands/fathers/brothers/sons because God has given them the right. If we don't obey our husbands our good deeds won't reach God. We get half the inheritance of men and so on. I understand that this is our test, but can't we be freed from these tests in paradise? Now you will say it's God's rule. My question is, what is the logic behind it? I am not bashing the rules.

There will be no test in Jannat so you will be free.

If a woman becomes a martyr she will go to Jannat. No one promised her exactly the same thing as a man.

To demand the exactly same thing is asking for too much. You should be happy enough to go to Jannat because you didn't exactly do such a big sacrifice by returning a thing to it's owner

[Lån-Penge]

I understand you brother Shaan. But there are some women who would also stand in que for hell if that was the case.

I did mention generaly women dont want that. Also that would be what 1 or 2 percent of all women compare that to 99% of all men

[NiliSpuppypax]

Sister, its all about Quality and not Quantity.

For example i want a toy which i extremly love. my father gave me that one, and i am very happy.

My brother wanted to have same toy, but he got 5 toys which he didnt like the one which he wanted. so who got more? my bro or me? my bro got more in quantity, but i got more in quality. at teh end i am the happiest one as i am satisfied so it doesnt matter about the number of toys(huuris!). In paradise woman will not be less satisfied than man.

Surah An-Nisâ' (4):194:
And whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a true believer in the Oneness of
Allâh (Muslim), such will enter Paradise and not the least injustice, even to the size of aNaqîra
(speck on the back of a datestone), will be done to them.
Sister, stop guessing about what will happen in Jannah, Allah hasnt created our mind enough to understand how jannah is.
And our mind will not work same way in paradise ike in this World, neither our feelings will be same like this world.Allah will satisfy us withwhatever we want, and not manipulate us.

We, the men and women are equal in the sight of Allah (SWT) except for those whom are more pious. Just because we're equal doesn’t mean we're exactly the same. We have physical, mental and emotional differences. Men have superiority over women in certain aspects such as physical strength, while women have more superiority over men from a caring and nurturing perspective. In the same manner, like our
differences, we may have rewards that are different from one another, but that in no way suggest
inequality. If you want to reward your son for something, perhaps you'll let him play a video
game for example, whereas if you want to reward your daughter, perhaps you'll let her invite her
friend over, or buy her something nice. Men and women have different needs and wants so
obviously rewards would differ.

Having said that, the gretest reward for the Muslim believers, men and women, in Jannah
(Paradise) will be to view the Countenance (Appearance) of Allah (SWT). And for the believers
there will be nothing more delightful than looking at Him;

This is mentioned in the following Hadiths:
Imam Ahmad recorded from Suhayb ibn Sinan ar-Rumi: The Messenger of Allah recited, (the

words meaning), “For those who have done good is the best and even more.” [Sura Yunus, 26] He said, “When the people of Paradise enter Paradise, a caller will say: `O people of Paradise, Allah has promised you something that He wishes to fulfill.' They will reply: `What is it Has He not made our Scale heavy Has He not made our faces white and delivered us from Fire?' He (the narrater) said:"Allah will then remove the veil (from their eyes), and they will look at the
Countenance (Appearance) of Allah, the Mighty, the Majestic.” He said, “By Allah, they have not
been given anything dearer to them and more delightful than looking at Him.” [Tafsir Ibn Kathir,
Muslim]
Narrated Suhayb ibn Sinan ar-Rumi: The Apostle of Allah said: "When those deserving of
Paradise would enter Paradise, the Blessed and the Exalted would ask: Do you wish Me to give
you anything more? They would say: Has You not brightened our faces? Has You not made us
enter Paradise and saved us from Fire? He (the narrator) said: He (God) would lift the veil (from
their eyes), and of things given to them nothing would be dearer to them than the sight of their
Lord, the Mighty and the Glorious." [Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 0347]
Doubtless we, the men and women, are promissed to have what we want in Paradise (Jannah);
Allâh (SWT) says in the Holy Quran:
"Therein you shall have (all) that your inner selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for
which you ask for.”
[Sura Fussilat 41:31-32]
"ALLAH KNOWS BEST"

I don't disagree with you. But the hadith (Allah won't admit anyone in paradise..) and the ayah from the Holy Quran (So it shall be...) made me feel that if I don't want to share my husband i won't be allowed to do so. My jealousy will be removed and my potential husband would be made to accept multiple wives. I was just pointing out that men get extra rewards compared to women. But finally it all comes down to this, that we don't have the brains to comprehend about the afterlife, after reading all your posts. And I have mentioned in the end that I have to obey Allah whatever He does because He is the God and my Creator.

[NiliSpuppypax]

There will be no test in Jannat so you will be free.

If a woman becomes a martyr she will go to Jannat. No one promised her exactly the same thing as a man.

To demand the exactly same thing is asking for too much. You should be happy enough to go to Jannat because you didn't exactly do such a big sacrifice by returning a thing to it's owner

Nice answer, thanks. That was my whole point, men will get extra and the women won't.

[worldofwarcraft]

Nice answer, thanks. That was my whole point, men will get extra and the women won't.

Extra to what?

[NiliSpuppypax]

Extra to what?

The houris of course.

[worldofwarcraft]

The houris of course.

Okay so? what's the problem here?

If i know two people, both of them did good things, and i give them gifts. Do i have to be equal in giving gifts?

It's my money, i do whatever i want to unless i promised something or i made a rule for myself that i can't go against this. Only then u can point a finger at me.

The people whom i'm giving the gifts too don't deserve it in the first place yet i'm giving them.

Similarly, we don't deserve anything, yet Allah is giving us. Now it's HIS wish, he gives someone more and someone less. The thing is, he's not doing injustice to you.

Another example, i have two workers in my office. Both have basic salaries. One of them shows a great performance while the other shows a normal performance. I give both of them their basic salaries and give the great performer some bonus. So it's my choice, i'm not doing any injustice to the other once because i did give him his basic salary.

Similarly if both of them showed good performance and I still give one a bonus and don't give the other a bonus, this won't be injustice either. Because they don't deserve it in the first place. What they deserved was their basic salary. I didn't promise them anything. It's my choice who i give a bonus and who i dont. They can't complain.

SO be happy that you are going to jannat instead of worrying about hoories.

[NiliSpuppypax]

Okay so? what's the problem here?

If i know two people, both of them did good things, and i give them gifts. Do i have to be equal in giving gifts?

It's my money, i do whatever i want to unless i promised something or i made a rule for myself that i can't go against this. Only then u can point a finger at me.

The people whom i'm giving the gifts too don't deserve it in the first place yet i'm giving them.

Similarly, we don't deserve anything, yet Allah is giving us. Now it's HIS wish, he gives someone more and someone less. The thing is, he's not doing injustice to you.

Another example, i have two workers in my office. Both have basic salaries. One of them shows a great performance while the other shows a normal performance. I give both of them their basic salaries and give the great performer some bonus. So it's my choice, i'm not doing any injustice to the other once because i did give him his basic salary.

Similarly if both of them showed good performance and I still give one a bonus and don't give the other a bonus, this won't be injustice either. Because they don't deserve it in the first place. What they deserved was their basic salary. I didn't promise them anything. It's my choice who i give a bonus and who i dont. They can't complain.

SO be happy that you are going to jannat instead of worrying about hoories.

I am no longer worried about the houris. But before I end this discussion I want say that God loves men more, because they get extra rewards. Everyone agrees that men and women can worship God equally, even though women are exempted from worshipping Him in some cases, God doesn't take that into consideration. Finally brother Taliban, you are a man who is receiving extra rewards, so it won't be your headache .

[worldofwarcraft]

I am no longer worried about the houris. But before I end this discussion I want say that God loves men more, because they get extra rewards. Everyone agrees that men and women can worship God equally, even though women are exempted from worshipping Him in some cases, God doesn't take that into consideration. Finally brother Taliban, you are a man who is receiving extra rewards, so it won't be your headache .

So it all comes to hoories....

Allah loves everyone equally.

Men go through more..

You have to go to the masjid 5 times a day? You have to go to the masjid in Fajr when it's freezing cold outside?

Women have to go fight for Allah?

Do they get caught up and put in jails? Do the women loose their eyes, arms, legs fighting?

Do these women travel such long distances like Sahaba used to go and fight?

So it'sjust about who does more.

If you really want hoories, you can request Allah to make you a man in Jannat.