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**iH1wMOhE** · 06-25-2011, 05:13 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-13885457

Yes, thats right, the land of crooks has now managed to train a police force to protect criminals and arrest people trying to defend there property... Sounds familiar to there strategy abroad doesnt it???

It wont be long before groups are formed and a dead copper will be worth money a k a Pablo Escobar...

**KuRoregioNka** · 06-25-2011, 05:19 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-13885457

Yes, thats right, the land of crooks has now managed to train a police force to protect criminals and arrest people trying to defend there property... Sounds familiar to there strategy abroad doesnt it???

It wont be long before groups are formed and a dead copper will be worth money a k a Pablo Escobar...

how do you know this wasn't a planned murder rather than self defence?

**iH1wMOhE** · 06-25-2011, 05:28 AM

how do you know this wasn't a planned murder rather than self defence?

Because you hear about this kind of act all the time... If it was planned the police would probably not hear about it

**googlopharm** · 06-26-2011, 10:39 PM

Why can't people comprehend a simple law?, which clearly allows proportionate retaliation.

**iH1wMOhE** · 06-26-2011, 11:08 PM

Why can't people comprehend a simple law?, which clearly allows proportionate retaliation.

What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them

**googlopharm** · 06-26-2011, 11:24 PM

What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them

That's because in America, the robbers carry guns.

**Yinekol** · 06-27-2011, 02:53 AM

What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them

It's called the Castle Law and my state has it on its books!

I can shoot anyone on ma proper-tay so long as I perceive them to be a threat

But seriously, you Brits have got it real bad there. All this non-sense about restricting access to weaponry stems from one thing: keeping the peasants unarmed. It's not about preventing crime; in the US, the areas with the most amount of crime are the areas with the lowest percentage of firearm ownership. Governments in Europe and places such as Japan used to never allow the peasantry to keep swords, bows, firearms, and any other form of weaponry so as to prevent them from succeeding if they should rebel. Most Americans don't understand that this is the wisdom behind the 2nd Amendment.

**iH1wMOhE** · 06-27-2011, 03:40 AM

It's called the Castle Law and my state has it on its books!

I can shoot anyone on ma proper-tay so long as I perceive them to be a threat

But seriously, you Brits have got it real bad there. All this non-sense about restricting access to weaponry stems from one thing: keeping the peasants unarmed. It's not about preventing crime; in the US, the areas with the most amount of crime are the areas with the lowest percentage of firearm ownership. Governments in Europe and places such as Japan used to never allow the peasantry to keep swords, bows, firearms, and any other form of weaponry so as to prevent them from succeeding if they should rebel. Most Americans don't understand that this is the wisdom behind the 2nd Amendment.

This is one of the great things (there are not that many I believe, please correct if am being stupid) of residing in the US, the great firearms debate. But is it true that in certain cities you are not allowed to have them loaded

**googlopharm** · 06-27-2011, 04:31 AM

Thank god, I aint a yank......... Shoot first and ask questions later.

**Yinekol** · 06-27-2011, 04:44 AM

This is one of the great things (there are not that many I believe, please correct if am being stupid) of residing in the US, the great firearms debate. But is it true that in certain cities you are not allowed to have them loaded

Regulations vary from state to state, and even from county to county. In the state I live in (Arizona), pretty much anything goes. We can own stuff like miniguns; we're allowed to conceal carry without a permit, I can sell my guns to whoever I want to without having to get papers writ up...yeah, it's pretty cool

Most of the liberal areas of the country have much stricter gun regulations though. I think in Chicago you're not even allowed to have a handgun in the city...but I think that law got overturned after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional.

**slimfifa** · 06-27-2011, 05:51 AM

What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person.

Only in specific circumstances, for most cases. For example, if an unarmed man breaks in to your house in Maryland and you shoot him, you're going to prison. If he has a knife, you're probably going to prison.

If you live in Texas and an unarmed man is merely trespassing on your property and you shoot him, it's 100% legal (unless they changed that law since the last time I heard about it) and you probably won't be going to prison.

Most of the liberal areas of the country have much stricter gun regulations though. I think in Chicago you're not even allowed to have a handgun in the city...but I think that law got overturned after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional. Yeah, all of those gun ban laws were overturned, even in D.C.

**DrCeshing** · 06-27-2011, 04:35 PM

man, this is another thing i dont like about the uk
you have to use equal force, e.g. if he has a bat, then you cannot use more than a bat (which is what i have been told)

my neighbours garden has been robbed (bikes, tools etc). and i think of my house was to get stolen from i would grab a bar and let them robbers know about it. but i am always concerned of the conciousness i would have to pay after due to the law etc

**googlopharm** · 06-28-2011, 01:35 AM

man, this is another thing i dont like about the uk
you have to use equal force, e.g. if he has a bat, then you cannot use more than a bat (which is what i have been told)

my neighbours garden has been robbed (bikes, tools etc). and i think of my house was to get stolen from i would grab a bar and let them robbers know about it. but i am always concerned of the conciousness i would have to pay after due to the law etc

You can use a bat, just don't beat him to death with it.

06-25-2011, 05:13 AM	#1
iH1wMOhE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	British police protecting criminals http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-13885457 Yes, thats right, the land of crooks has now managed to train a police force to protect criminals and arrest people trying to defend there property... Sounds familiar to there strategy abroad doesnt it??? It wont be long before groups are formed and a dead copper will be worth money a k a Pablo Escobar... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-25-2011, 05:19 AM	#2
KuRoregioNka Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-13885457 Yes, thats right, the land of crooks has now managed to train a police force to protect criminals and arrest people trying to defend there property... Sounds familiar to there strategy abroad doesnt it??? It wont be long before groups are formed and a dead copper will be worth money a k a Pablo Escobar... how do you know this wasn't a planned murder rather than self defence? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-25-2011, 05:28 AM	#3
iH1wMOhE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	how do you know this wasn't a planned murder rather than self defence? Because you hear about this kind of act all the time... If it was planned the police would probably not hear about it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-26-2011, 10:39 PM	#4
googlopharm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Why can't people comprehend a simple law?, which clearly allows proportionate retaliation. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-26-2011, 11:08 PM	#5
iH1wMOhE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Why can't people comprehend a simple law?, which clearly allows proportionate retaliation. What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-26-2011, 11:24 PM	#6
googlopharm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them That's because in America, the robbers carry guns. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 02:53 AM	#7
Yinekol Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person, I believe here the least we should be allowed to do is at least break there hands and paralyse them It's called the Castle Law and my state has it on its books! I can shoot anyone on ma proper-tay so long as I perceive them to be a threat But seriously, you Brits have got it real bad there. All this non-sense about restricting access to weaponry stems from one thing: keeping the peasants unarmed. It's not about preventing crime; in the US, the areas with the most amount of crime are the areas with the lowest percentage of firearm ownership. Governments in Europe and places such as Japan used to never allow the peasantry to keep swords, bows, firearms, and any other form of weaponry so as to prevent them from succeeding if they should rebel. Most Americans don't understand that this is the wisdom behind the 2nd Amendment. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 03:40 AM	#8
iH1wMOhE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	It's called the Castle Law and my state has it on its books! I can shoot anyone on ma proper-tay so long as I perceive them to be a threat But seriously, you Brits have got it real bad there. All this non-sense about restricting access to weaponry stems from one thing: keeping the peasants unarmed. It's not about preventing crime; in the US, the areas with the most amount of crime are the areas with the lowest percentage of firearm ownership. Governments in Europe and places such as Japan used to never allow the peasantry to keep swords, bows, firearms, and any other form of weaponry so as to prevent them from succeeding if they should rebel. Most Americans don't understand that this is the wisdom behind the 2nd Amendment. This is one of the great things (there are not that many I believe, please correct if am being stupid) of residing in the US, the great firearms debate. But is it true that in certain cities you are not allowed to have them loaded Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 04:31 AM	#9
googlopharm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Thank god, I aint a yank......... Shoot first and ask questions later. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 04:44 AM	#10
Yinekol Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	This is one of the great things (there are not that many I believe, please correct if am being stupid) of residing in the US, the great firearms debate. But is it true that in certain cities you are not allowed to have them loaded Regulations vary from state to state, and even from county to county. In the state I live in (Arizona), pretty much anything goes. We can own stuff like miniguns; we're allowed to conceal carry without a permit, I can sell my guns to whoever I want to without having to get papers writ up...yeah, it's pretty cool Most of the liberal areas of the country have much stricter gun regulations though. I think in Chicago you're not even allowed to have a handgun in the city...but I think that law got overturned after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 05:51 AM	#11
slimfifa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	What is your view of proportionate? In America you are allowed to shoot the person. Only in specific circumstances, for most cases. For example, if an unarmed man breaks in to your house in Maryland and you shoot him, you're going to prison. If he has a knife, you're probably going to prison. If you live in Texas and an unarmed man is merely trespassing on your property and you shoot him, it's 100% legal (unless they changed that law since the last time I heard about it) and you probably won't be going to prison. Most of the liberal areas of the country have much stricter gun regulations though. I think in Chicago you're not even allowed to have a handgun in the city...but I think that law got overturned after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional. Yeah, all of those gun ban laws were overturned, even in D.C. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-27-2011, 04:35 PM	#12
DrCeshing Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	man, this is another thing i dont like about the uk you have to use equal force, e.g. if he has a bat, then you cannot use more than a bat (which is what i have been told) my neighbours garden has been robbed (bikes, tools etc). and i think of my house was to get stolen from i would grab a bar and let them robbers know about it. but i am always concerned of the conciousness i would have to pay after due to the law etc Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-28-2011, 01:35 AM	#13
googlopharm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	man, this is another thing i dont like about the uk you have to use equal force, e.g. if he has a bat, then you cannot use more than a bat (which is what i have been told) my neighbours garden has been robbed (bikes, tools etc). and i think of my house was to get stolen from i would grab a bar and let them robbers know about it. but i am always concerned of the conciousness i would have to pay after due to the law etc You can use a bat, just don't beat him to death with it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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