[suingincentix]

I read the following in al rahiq al makhtum, and similar accounts in other books as well:

He sent Khalid bin Al-Waleed in Ramadan 8 A.H. to a spot called Nakhlah where there was a goddess called Al-‘Uzza venerated by Quraish and Kinanah tribes. It had custodians from Bani Shaiban. Khalid, at the head of thirty horsemen arrived at the spot and exterminated it. On his return, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked him if he had seen anything there, to which Khalid gave a negative answer. Here, he was told that it had not been destroyed and he had to go there again and fulfill the task. He went back again and there he saw a black woman, naked with torn hair. Khalid struck her with his sword into two parts. He returned and narrated the story to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), who then confirmed the fulfillment of the task.

Later, in the same month, ‘Amr bin Al-‘As was sent on an errand to destroy another idol, venerated by Hudhail, called Suwa‘. It used to stand at a distance of three kilometres from Makkah. On a question posed by the door-keeper, ‘Amr said he had been ordered by the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to knock down the idol. The man warned ‘Amr that he would not be able to do it. ‘Amr was surprised to see someone still in the wrong, approached the idol and destroyed it, then he broke the casket beside it but found nothing. The man immediately embraced Islam.

Sa‘d bin Zaid Al-Ashhali was also sent in the same month and on the same mission to Al-Mashallal to destroy an idol, Manat, venerated by both Al-Aws and Al-Khazraj tribes. Here also a black woman, naked with messy hair appeared wailing and beating on her chest. Sa‘d immediately killed her, destroyed the idol and broke the casket and returned at the conclusion of his errand. Who were these black women and why was it so important that they be killed?

[Trientoriciom]

I read the following in al rahiq al makhtum, and similar accounts in other books as well:



Who were these black women and why was it so important that they be killed?

I've asked a similar question before and did not receive a satisfactory answer:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ion&highlight=

Perhaps you will have more luck insha'allah.

[suingincentix]

Anybody have a clue? Or maybe know of a scholar who might be able to shed some light?

[FsQGF1Mp]

Anybody have a clue? Or maybe know of a scholar who might be able to shed some light?

Since i read this here, i've been trying to find the story in Seerat Books other than Ar-Raheeq ul Makhtoom.

We've studied seerah as course, never came across this. I checked some Arabic Seerats in the afternoon, Ibn e Hisham and Noor ul Yaqeen, Nothing there.

Please wait while i try to check other Seerat books also.

[zawhmqswly]

....I read this in the sealed nectar and the first thought came to mind was that the woman inside the idol was prolly a sorceress...

[suingincentix]

Since i read this here, i've been trying to find the story in Seerat Books other than Ar-Raheeq ul Makhtoom.

We've studied seerah as course, never came across this. I checked some Arabic Seerats in the afternoon, Ibn e Hisham and Noor ul Yaqeen, Nothing there.

Please wait while i try to check other Seerat books also.

I'll be grateful for any info.

....I read this in the sealed nectar and the first thought came to mind was that the woman inside the idol was prolly a sorceress...

I thought maybe it was a priestess or something, but I remember reading somewhere else (don't remember where, maybe it was the Martin Lings book) that the woman was al uzza herself, which didn't make sense to me. Sunni_Student786 mentioned something similar in the other thread he linked.

[FsQGF1Mp]

....I read this in the sealed nectar and the first thought came to mind was that the woman inside the idol was prolly a sorceress...

This seems most likely the case. If this incident is indeed true, then they might have been sorceresses deceiving people using magic so they had to be killed.

[zawhmqswly]

and Hazrat Khaild (RA) killed her and Huzoor dint say anything apparently so end of story, you find anyone hiding in a idol deceiving ppl you kill them...

[brorialsibers]

The impression I always had was that those women were in fact the idols.

Like how some religions believe that their gods inhabit human bodies, and transfer from one body to the next upon death.

[toopyimport]

As salam alaikum

Believers must only take reports of the Prophet () if they are authentic. Some seerat have been recognized as perpetuatiing less than authentic texts.
So the first issue in the quote is not "who were these black women" but "are these authentic ahadith?"

And regarding the content of the ahadith:
is the reporting of 'black woman' a description of the idol itself, just as if one were to go to the lincoln memorial in Washington DC and break the statute/idol and report it to literally be a 'white man sitting'?

[Seilehogshell]

Im simply waiting for mr. TEE to change the black women to white..

wa assalam..