[vipluka]

There is an opinion that if you are traveling, let say for two weeks and you can combine/qasr the prayer for the first 4 days of arrival. Can any Shafi'i clarify this.

I don't know about other opinion but once u intend staying at a place for more than 3 days then you loose the excuse and must make the ful salah in its time

[Nikkytas]

I don't know about other opinion but once u intend staying at a place for more than 3 days then you loose the excuse and must make the ful salah in its time

Haven't see you for long time. Where have you been?

Anyways that's what I thought, but can you check it with your teachers? Thanks

[awagsFare]

The following is the extract from Reliance:

THE END OF THE JOURNEY
f15.7 When the trip ends one must pray the full number of rak`as for each prayer.
A trip ends when one reaches one's hometown. It also ends:

(1) by the mere intention to stay in a place at least 4 full days, not counting the day one arrives or the day one departs;

(2) or by staying that long without the intention, so that after one has stayed 4 full days, not counting the days of arrival and departure, one prays the full number of rak`as,
unless
one is staying in a place in order to fulfill a purpose that one expects to accomplish and intends to leave as soon as one does. As long as this is the case, one may shorten one's prayers for up to 18 days. If longer than this, one prays the full number. This holds for both jihad and other purposes.

-When one reaches one's destination and intends to stay there for a significant amount of time (4 days), one must pray the full number of rak`as,
but
- if not (as when not intending to stay at all, or intending 3 days or less), then one may continue shortening prayers for either 4 days (if one learns that one cannot accomplish one's purpose during them),
or
-18, if one can expect one's purpose to be accomplished at any moment.


So brother basically criterea of 'Duration' for joining prayer is:
-you intent to stay only for 3 days,
-your stay is extended more than 3 days unexpectedly, but you will be leaving as soon as you accomplish your task. But only for 18 days.

There are many other conditions mentioned in the book I shalll copy paste it if you want.

[Nikkytas]

So brother basically criterea of 'Duration' for joining prayer is:
-you intent to stay only for 3 days,
-your stay is extended more than 3 days unexpectedly, but you will be leaving as soon as you accomplish your task. But only for 18 days.

There are many other conditions mentioned in the book I shalll copy paste it if you want.

Thank you.

Related questions:
1. But what if the person already bought the ticket for two weeks, but he basically can finish his works anytime in between and can go home anytime in between?

2. Is Friday prayer obligatory for that person?

[awagsFare]

First of all i have very little knowledge in these things. I am just copy pasting the things mentioned in the book.

1. But what if the person already bought the ticket for two weeks, but he basically can finish his works anytime in between and can go home anytime in between?

Sorry bro, i dont know the answer.

2. Is Friday prayer obligatory for that person?
The following is the condition of who are obliged to pray Juma'a according to Shafi'i Madhab.

f18.2
Anyone obliged to pray the noon prayer (zuhr) is obliged to pray the Friday prayer (jumu`a),
except for
-women and
-for travellers on a trip that is not disobedience , even if the trip is less that 81 km/50 mi. one way (n: though one's departure for the journey must have taken place before dawn on Friday, as at f18.6).
-Valid excuses for not attending group prayer (def: f12.5), such as illness or taking care of a sick person, excuse one from attending the Friday prayer (jumu`a).
f18.6 It is unlawful for someone (obliged to pray the Friday prayer) to travel after dawn (on Friday before having prayed it) unless:
(1) there is a place on his route where the Friday prayer will take place;
(2) or he is going to travel with a group (of people not obliged to pray the Friday prayer) who
are departing, such that his staying behind would entail harm for him.
So what I understand is, only conditions that a traveler is excused from Juma'a are:
-if the traveler begins his journey before dawn
-The traveler begins the journey after dawn with a group of people (who are not obliged to pray Juma'a) because he couldn't stay back for something harmful.

Allahu alam

[Lapsiks]

Assalamu Alaikum,

I was always confused about one issue here:

The Reliance says 4 days as does the Maqasid. The translator of Maqasid further expands by saying 96 hours [beginning from sunset if one arrives during the day and beginning from sunrise if one arrives during the night]

So in the following scenario........:

I reach Edinburgh on Monday at 5.00PM. Therefore, the 96 hour period starts at 9.30PM on Monday (current maghrib time)
My intention is to depart from Edinburgh at Friday 3.00PM. I had this intention before I began travelling and there are no changes to my plans throughout my stay.

.....I should be able to shorten, right (as the 96 hour period ends on Friday 9.30PM)?

[Nikkytas]

-Valid excuses for not attending group prayer (def: f12.5)


So what I understand is, only conditions that a traveler is excused from Juma'a are:
-if the traveler begins his journey before dawn
-The traveler begins the journey after dawn with a group of people (who are not obliged to pray Juma'a) because he couldn't stay back for something harmful.

Allahu alam

Thanks again

It seems that there are a lot of excuses that can be made to validly miss the Friday prayer as Ulama has put down. Not to water down the obligatory nature of the Friday prayer, just in case there some excuses that some person couldn't make it to the prayer once.

I found this link regarding missing Friday prayer by Sheikh Bin Bayyah (even though he is Maliki, I presume).

Wallahu a'lam.

[vipluka]

Haven't see you for long time. Where have you been?

Anyways that's what I thought, but can you check it with your teachers? Thanks

Been a while,was in tarim for a month and now I'm at a darul uloom here in south africa,don't know if I'm going back because I can't find a job that is study friendly plus my engine gave in And the madrasah is 50 km away and I travil evry day
Jumuah becomes wajib when u muqeem,so it wil not be wajib 4 u if u musafir.if u not sure about the length of ur stay then go for the 18 days, but make sure that u able 2 go back home ,change the ticket whenever you done.don't make ur intention 2 weeks,rather make intention for as long as you need to be there and then leave as soon as you can.b suer that u can leave.

[Nikkytas]

There is an opinion that if you are traveling, let say for two weeks and you can combine/qasr the prayer for the first 4 days of arrival. Can any Shafi'i clarify this.