[HootSnori]

Asslam o Alaikum,

I have a question for my fellow brothers and sisters and even the Ulema on this site.

On many occassions, I've come accross certain people calling the others non-Muslims.

For example: Ahamadis/Qadianis are declared non-Muslims in few countries, so if a Sunni (Hanfi, Shafi etc) comes accross a Qadiani, can/should that Sunni Muslim call him/her a non-Muslim.

Qadianis call themselves Muslim while many Ulema consider them to be otherwise, so is it normal for a mainstream Muslim to reffer to them as non-Muslims or correct them?

Also, I have come accross few brothers who are of the view that even some Shias are non-Muslims?

So can the indvidual Muslim call one a non-Muslim who have been declared by state or Ulema a non-Muslim OR it is all upto Allah swt to decide who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim?

Please advise.

JazakAllah khair

[pharmaclid]

So can the indvidual Muslim call one a non-Muslim who have been declared by state or Ulema a non-Muslim OR it is all upto Allah swt to decide who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim?

Walaikum Salam,

Can you elaborate this sentence of your query?

[layedgebiamma]

Asslam o Alaikum,

I have a question for my fellow brothers and sisters and even the Ulema on this site.

On many occassions, I've come accross certain people calling the others non-Muslims.

For example: Ahamadis/Qadianis are declared non-Muslims in few countries, so if a Sunni (Hanfi, Shafi etc) comes accross a Qadiani, can/should that Sunni Muslim call him/her a non-Muslim.

Qadianis call themselves Muslim while many Ulema consider them to be otherwise, so is it normal for a mainstream Muslim to reffer to them as non-Muslims or correct them?

Also, I have come accross few brothers who are of the view that even some Shias are non-Muslims?

So can the indvidual Muslim call one a non-Muslim who have been declared by state or Ulema a non-Muslim OR it is all upto Allah swt to decide who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim?

Please advise.

JazakAllah khair

Allah has laid down the criterion for Islam in the Qur'an, and in the Sunnah of the Prophet .

Qadiyanis are not Muslims because they deny the finality of the Prophethood among other things.

Islam has boundaries. If you step outside of it, you're not a Muslim. Ismailis are not Muslims for a number of reasons. Nusayris (alawis) are not Muslims. A lot of groups are not Muslims, even if they say they are; you can't just proclaim that you are a Muslim and then say 'Allah is the third of three' (naudhubillah) because the two acts are incompatible; you can't say you're a Muslim and then beseech a dead person in his grave to fulfill your needs, because the two acts are incompatible. And so on. And so on.

[fetesiceWaist]

So can the indvidual Muslim call one a non-Muslim who have been declared by state or Ulema a non-Muslim OR it is all upto Allah swt to decide who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim? Prophet SAW has no part with them (ie they are not muslims)


read this carefully (taken from ahlelbayt site)

The Quran declares:



“As for those who divide their religion and break up into shias (sects), you have no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” (Quran, 6:159)

The transliteration of the Arabic reads:

Inna allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo shia’ an lasta minhum fee shay-in innama amruhum ila Allahi thumma yunabbi-ohum bima kanoo yafAAaloona

Shia means “sect” and all sects are forbidden in Islam based on this verse as well as many other verses:



“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

The transliteration reads:

Muneebeena ilayhi waittaqoohu waaqeemoo alssalata wala takoonoo mina almushrikeena. Mina allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo shia an kullu hizbin bima ladayhim farihoona



“Then shall We certainly drag out from every shia (sect) all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.” (Quran, 19:69)

The transliteration reads:

Thumma lananziAAanna min kulli shia tin ayyuhum ashaddu AAala alrrahmani AAitiyyan.



“Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into shias (sects) … for he was indeed a maker of mischief.” (Quran, 28:4)

The transliteration reads:

Inna firAAawna AAala fee al-ardi wajaAAala ahlaha shia an yastadAAifu ta-ifatan minhum yuthabbihu abnaahum wayastahyee nisaahum innahu kana mina almufsideena

The common theme in Islam is that sectarianism and the creation of sects is Haram (forbidden):

“[Ironically] they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves.” (Quran, 42:14)

[KojlinMakolvin]

...qadianis are worst than jews from a Muslim's perspective...

[tramadoldiscountes]

Asslam o Alaikum,

I have a question for my fellow brothers and sisters and even the Ulema on this site.

On many occassions, I've come accross certain people calling the others non-Muslims.

For example: Ahamadis/Qadianis are declared non-Muslims in few countries, so if a Sunni (Hanfi, Shafi etc) comes accross a Qadiani, can/should that Sunni Muslim call him/her a non-Muslim.

Qadianis call themselves Muslim while many Ulema consider them to be otherwise, so is it normal for a mainstream Muslim to reffer to them as non-Muslims or correct them?

Also, I have come accross few brothers who are of the view that even some Shias are non-Muslims?

So can the indvidual Muslim call one a non-Muslim who have been declared by state or Ulema a non-Muslim OR it is all upto Allah swt to decide who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim?

Please advise.

JazakAllah khair

If you're looking for a detailed reply; refer to Ikfaarul Mulhideen by Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri Rahimahullah in urdu. InshaAllah that will clear any doubts you have.

[HootSnori]

JazakAllah khair for all the replies. However, I am still a little confused. May be its my apprehension skills but:

so if i was just talking to my friends, is it okay for me to reffer the qadianis/ismailis/nusayris as non-Muslims?

[layedgebiamma]

JazakAllah khair for all the replies. However, I am still a little confused. May be its my apprehension skills but:

so if i was just talking to my friends, is it okay for me to reffer the qadianis/ismailis/nusayris as non-Muslims?

There is no doubt whatsoever that people who ascribe themselves to the Qadiani sect, the Ismaili sect, and the Nusayri sect are not Muslims; Ibn Taymiyyah said that they are worse kaafirs (referring to Ismailis and Nusayris since the Qadianis had not yet set foot on the world when he walked it) than the Jews and the Christians.

in short, yes, of course- just like we would refer to Jews and Christians as non-Muslims.

[tramdoctorsss]

Assalamu 'Alaykum,

Don't worry about who is Muslim and who is not Muslim. Concentrate on your Islam until the day you die.

[Saduyre9de]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum,

Don't worry about who is Muslim and who is not Muslim. Concentrate on your Islam until the day you die.

Being in the Ummah of the Last Messenger, Muhammad , it is indeed a big worry who is Muslim and who is not. This is essential so that everyone can be introduced to their Lord the way He is pleased with.

It goes without saying, that saving oneself is the foremost duty.

[ananciguinter]

JazakAllah khair for all the replies. However, I am still a little confused. May be its my apprehension skills but:

so if i was just talking to my friends, is it okay for me to reffer the qadianis/ismailis/nusayris as non-Muslims?

Declaring a Person as Disbeliever by Shaykhul Islam Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani حفظه الله

http://muftitaqiusmani.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42

Must Read!

[HootSnori]

JazakAllah khair brother, that was definitly very clear article.

[HootSnori]

Assalamu 'Alaykum,

Don't worry about who is Muslim and who is not Muslim. Concentrate on your Islam until the day you die.

As you are absolutely correct about concentrating on one's own Imaan, I find it important to know who is a Muslim or who is not because in this day and age, we could be marrying our son/brother/sister/daughter to an indvidual who might not be a Muslim.

and Allah knows best.

[propolo]

Assalamu 'Alaykum,

Don't worry about who is Muslim and who is not Muslim. Concentrate on your Islam until the day you die.

what if someone was to join the gatherings of the shia or qadiyanis or other kaffirs masquerading as muslims, because as far as his knowledge served him he though that they were muslim?