[mynaflzak]

Things that make you go hmmm.....

So tell me what was a bida'a that Abdul Wahhab launched?

You can make a new thread if you want to discuss about it. Remember, the topic in this thread is about Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jelani.

[Loxaeed]

You can make a new thread if you want to discuss about it. Remember, the topic in this thread is about Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jelani.

I will surely join that thread . And yes brother you are very right. This thread should be closed ASAP

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

You can make a new thread if you want to discuss about it. Remember, the topic in this thread is about Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jelani.

Go ahead and make it, I asked you the question so answer it.

al-muhim the Shia are kuffar, and this thread should be closed.

[Timoxari]

Here is the lineage of the shaykh!
Abd al-Qadir ibn Musa ibn 'Abdi'llah ibn Yahya az-Zahid ibn Muhammad ibn Dawud ibn Musa al-Jawn ibn 'Abdi'llah al-Haddi ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Muthanna ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah the Exalted be well pleased with them all).

[Loxaeed]

Here is the lineage of the shaykh!
Abd al-Qadir ibn Musa ibn 'Abdi'llah ibn Yahya az-Zahid ibn Muhammad ibn Dawud ibn Musa al-Jawn ibn 'Abdi'llah al-Haddi ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Muthanna ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah the Exalted be well pleased with them all).

If you argue with 30 hasan brother, you'll lose

If you know what I mean lol

[Timoxari]

and he was a reputed sufi n a gr8 pious saint of his time(may Allah be pleased with him)! the silsila qadriya ranks back to him!

[Timoxari]

i got it!!

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

If you argue with 30 hasan brother, you'll lose

If you know what I mean lol

What do you mean?

The Prophet

"This religion is advice"

So advise me because I have no idea what you mean, and if it's something funny I want to laugh and if it's something wrong i want to correct myself.

[layedgebiamma]

and he was a reputed sufi n a gr8 pious saint of his time(may Allah be pleased with him)! the silsila qadriya ranks back to him!

With regards to the 'silsila qadriya,' I have a question... which of the practices it currently utilizes to attain 'ihsan' were directly endorsed or written about by Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Gilani in the works that have been authentically attributed to him?

Did he ever use the term 'silsila?'

[rootoronpunty]

It seems hasan 30 just wants to start a fight and debate, why else would he bring up the Aqeedah that is attributed to Hadharat Abdul Qadir Jilani - its very sad and demonstrates his level of maturity.

I do want to praise the brothers who contributed to this thread for not falling into petty debates with him.

With regards to the 'silsila qadriya,' I have a question... which of the practices it currently utilizes to attain 'ihsan' were directly endorsed or written about by Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Gilani in the works that have been authentically attributed to him?

Did he ever use the term 'silsila?'

From memory, I have seen the word silsilla in his books

The methodologies of the various Qadri orders do not stem directly from him - if you rea his books he does not recomend specific awrad or methods - His books primarily speak in a more general way about concepts all Muslims wheather theya re Qadri, Chisti, Salafi, or Ikhwani can grasp and implement in their lives - this one reason why of all the great "sufis" in history, salafis do not attack Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra)

[FYvWldC0]

AOA
Hope all is well and Alalh have mercy on us.

I was talking to a shia brother of mine. And he stated that Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani wasn't a sufi or a desendant (syed)

Can someone please clarify, I didn't have time to talk to him about it. But if he wasn't a SYED how does that effect his reputation?
Pretty confused.
Please only answer the question, no shia hate .
Jazkallah

He was staunch against shias from what I remember - so it is natural they hate him and try to belittle his position. But its ok, there is a phenomenon in the world we see everyday - as the sun rises the dogs bark but the sun is not the least disturbed it continues on its climb to the top of the horizon.

[blackjackblax]

But its ok, there is a phenomenon in the world we see everyday - as the sun rises the dogs bark but the sun is not the least disturbed it continues on its climb to the top of the horizon.

Nice one shaykh, a fact.

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

It seems hasan 30 just wants to start a fight and debate, why else would he bring up the Aqeedah that is attributed to Hadharat Abdul Qadir Jilani - its very sad and demonstrates his level of maturity.
I do want to praise the brothers who contributed to this thread for not falling into petty debates with him.

As far as I know this thread is about Abdul Qadir Jilani and why the Shia was trying to put him down, so to me it is probably because Abdul Qadir Jilani believed in the Sifaat literally, and the Shia don't and do ta'weel of them, therefore according to the Shia Abdul Qadir would have been a blasphemous wahhabi mujasim.

So how is that not contributing to the thread?

Do you also want to praise them when they use some coded Sufi terms between themselves saying "If you know what I mean" Concerning losing to me?

Yeah those are such great humble respectful Sufi manners of saying things behind someones back while standing right in front of him.

[Loxaeed]

As far as I know this thread is about Abdul Qadir Jilani and why the Shia was trying to put him down, so to me it is probably because Abdul Qadir Jilani believed in the Sifaat literally, and the Shia don't and do ta'weel of them, therefore according to the Shia Abdul Qadir would have been a blasphemous wahhabi mujasim.

So how is that not contributing to the thread?

Do you also want to praise them when they use some coded Sufi terms between themselves saying "If you know what I mean" Concerning losing to me?

Yeah those are such great humble respectful Sufi manners of saying things behind someones back while standing right in front of him.

Well brother If you took that to the heart than im sorry.

And if you wanna know"what i mean" Then look at the footnote of shakibbhat brother.

Anyhow, there's no need to post anymore since I have my answer.

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Well brother If you took that to the heart than im sorry.

And if you wanna know"what i mean" Then look at the footnote of shakibbhat brother.

Anyhow, there's no need to post anymore since I have my answer.

So you want me to not take it to heart that you are calling me a fool?

You're funny.

So what was foolish about saying that the Shia are kuffaar for calling your mother a Kaafir?

It's not my fault you're in love with them.

[layedgebiamma]

From memory, I have seen the word silsilla in his books

The methodologies of the various Qadri orders do not stem directly from him - if you rea his books he does not recomend specific awrad or methods - His books primarily speak in a more general way about concepts all Muslims wheather theya re Qadri, Chisti, Salafi, or Ikhwani can grasp and implement in their lives - this one reason why of all the great "sufis" in history, salafis do not attack Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra)

Which books, and where? If you could find this out I would be especially appreciative. I do not presently have access to the works attributed to him, beyond a Qadiyani translation of Futuh that I obviously don't trust because, well, Qadiyanis, heh.

I see. So if he didn't recommend methods, then what relationship do these groups of the present-day have to him beyond using his name?

[evarekataVame]

I see. So if he didn't recommend methods, then what relationship do these groups of the present-day have to him beyond using his name?

I would like to see an unambiguous answer to it as well.

[Timoxari]

curious for the reply

[Loxaeed]

curious for the reply

Same here LOL.

[mybooboo]

Asalaatu wasalaamu alaika Ya Rasoolula Salalahu Alaihi wa Salam
Asalaatu wasalamu alaika Ya Hadrath Ali Shereh Khuda Radialahu Anhu
Asalaatu wasalaamu Alaika Ya Hadrath Bibi Fathima Khatooneh Janaah Radialahu Anha
Asalaatu wasalaam Alaika Ya Hadrath Imaam Hasan, Ya Hadrath Imaam Husain Radialahu Anhuma
Asalaatu wasalaamu Alaika Ya Peer Dastaghgeer Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (Rahmatulah Alai).



Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jelani (ra) was a noted Hanbali preacher, Sufi sheikh and the eponymous founder of the Qadiri Sufi order (selsela). He was born in Ramadan AH 470 (about AD 1077) in the Persian province of Gilan (Iran) south of the Caspian sea. His contribution and renown in the sciences of Sufism and Sharia was so immense that he became known as the spiritual pole of his time, al-Gauth al Azam (the "Supreme Helper" or the "Mightiest Succor"). His writings were similar to those of al-Ghazali in that they dealt with both the fundamentals of Islam and the mystical experience of Sufism.

Parents and Early Life
Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) was a Sufi master and Syed (descendant of the Prophet Muhammad) (saw) from both his father and mother. His father Abu Saleh Jangidost, was an illustrious and God-fearing man. Once while engrossed in meditation by the bank of a river he saw an apple floating down the river. He picked it up and ate it. It struck to him that he ate the apple without paying for it so he set out in search of the owner, on the bank of the river and at last reached the owner of the apple orchard "Abdullah Somai" whom he requested to tell him the price of the apple, Abdullah Somai replied that it was an expensive thing. Syed Abu Saleh replied that he had not much by way of worldly material but he, could serve him for compensation. Abdullah Somai then asked him to work for a year in the orchard. In course of time the duration was extended several times. In the end Abdullah Somai admitted that he had served him in excess of the price and desired to reward him. Abu Saleh hesitated in accepting it but when Abdullah Somai persisted, he relented. He said he had a daughter, blind of eyes, handicapped of hands and feet and wanted to give her in marriage to him. In this way Abu Saleh was married to Abdullah Somai's daughter, Syeda Fatimah. To his astonishment found her wondrously beautiful and wholesome. He complained to his father-in-law that he found her exactly the opposite to what he had described her. Abdullah Somai insisted on the truthfulness of his statement. She was blind because she had not seen any Ghair Mehram (a man who could marry her). She was mute because she had not uttered a word repugnant to the Shariah (Islamic law). She was deaf because she had not heard anything inconsistent with the Shariah. She was handicapped of hand and feet because she had never moved in the direction of evil.

Abdul Qadir Jilani's (ra) father died soon after and the young orphan was reared up by his mother and his grandfather, Abdullah Somai.

Adult life
At the age of 18 he went to Baghdad on AH 488 (1095 AD), where he pursued the study of Hanbalite law under several teachers. His mother sewed 40 gold coins in his quilt so that he might spend them when needed. The dacoits struck the caravan on the way, and looted all the travelers of their belongings. They asked him what he had. He replied that he had 40 gold coins. The dacoits took his reply for a joke and took him to their chief, who asked him the same question and he again replied that he had 40 gold coins. He demanded him to show, upon whom he tore away, the quilt and produced the gold coins. He was surprised and asked him why he had given the hidden gold coins when he could have kept them hidden. Young Abdul Qadir Jilani replied that he was travelling to Baghdad to receive education and his mother had instructed him to speak the truth. This left a deep effect on the chief of the dacoits and he gave up looting.

Abdul Qadir received lessons on Islamic Jurisprudence from Abu Said Ali al-Mukharrimi, Hadith from Abu-Bakra-bin-Muzaffar, and commentary (tafseer) from the renowned commentator, Abu Muhammad Jafar.

In Sufism, his spiritual instructor was Shaikh Abu'l-Khair Hammad. From him, he received his basic training, and with his help he set out on the spiritual journey. Abu Shuja' was also a disciple of Shaikh Hammad, once he said: "Shaikh Abdul Qadir was in the company of Shaikh Hammad, so he came and sat in front of him, observing the best of good manners, until he stood up and took his leave. I heard Shaikh Hammad say, as soon as Shaikh Abdul Qadir had left: 'This non-Arab has a foot that will be raised, when the proper time comes, and placed upon the necks of the saints of that time. He will surely be commanded to say: This foot of mine is upon the neck of every saint of Allah. He will surely say it, and the necks of all the saints of his age will surely be bent at his disposal.'" Hazrat Junayd Baghdadi (died AD 910), who died about 167 years before the birth of Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, predicted about him on one occasion, when he was performing meditation & during that he said: "His foot will be over all Saints' necks." After finishing meditation, his disciples asked him about his words, he replied: "One Sufi would be born in the future, who would be greater than all saints." Thus, Shaikh Hammad proved the words of Hazrat Junayd as right. The historians says that, later Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani also repeated the same words on many occasion by himself.

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Sheikh Sari Saqati
Sheikh Junayd al-Baghdadi
Sheikh Abu Bakr Shibli
Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tam?m
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Sheikh Abu al-Farah Tartusi
Sheikh Abu al-Hasan Hakari
Sheikh Abu Sa'id al-Mubarak Mukharrami
Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani

Popular Sufi Sheikh
After completion of education, Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani abandoned the city of Baghdad, and spent twenty-five years as a wanderer in the desert regions of Iraq as a recluse.[2] He was over fifty years old by the time he returned to Baghdad, in AH 521 (AD 1127), and began to preach in public. His hearers were profoundly affected by the style and content of his lectures, and his reputation grew and spread through all sections of society. Not only Muslims, but also Jews and Christians, not only caliphs and viziers but also farmers, merchants and traders allegedly altered their lives in response to Abdul Qadir's perorations. He moved into the school belonging to his old teacher al-Mukharrimii, there he engaged himself in teaching. Soon he became popular with his pupils. In the morning he taught hadith and tafseer, and in the afternoon held discourse on mysticism and the virtues of the Qur'an. The number of students increased so much that the seminary could no more contain them. He, therefore, decided to extend the premises of the seminary. The students and the people willingly came forward with their wholehearted contributions. The campus buildings were ready in AH 528 and thereafter it came to be known as Madarsai-e-Qadriya.

Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani was a Non-Arab (ajami), so he wasn't fluent in Arabic and was having some difficulties because of it. Once The Prophet Muhammad came to him in a dream, before the time of the midday prayer (Zuhr), and he said to him: "O my dear son, why do you not speak out?" He replied: "O dear father, I am a Non-Arab man. How can I speak fluently in the classical Arabic language of Baghdad?" Holy Prophet said: "Just open your mouth!" He opened his mouth, and The Holy Prophet put his saliva seven times in his mouth. A few moments later, Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib also came & did the same to him six times. And from that time, Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani spoke classical Arabic language with fluency, his memory increased and he felt some great positive spiritual changes in him.

Once some one asked Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani about Mansur Al-Hallaj, he replied: "His claim extended too far, so the scissors of the Sacred Law (Shari'a) were empowered to clip it."

He busied himself for forty years in the service of the Islam from AH 521 to 561. During this period hundreds embraced Islam because of him and organized several teams to go abroad for the purpose. He arrived in Indian sub-continent in AD 1128, and stayed at Multan (Pakistan). He died in AH 561 (AD 1166) at the age of 91 years, and was buried in Baghdad.


Tufail Ya Peer Dastaghgeer Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, Dushmano A'zhair

Dar per bulana Ya Peer Dastaghgeer Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilaani.