[Pwy9egVW]

This is soo messed up. On one side of the coin we have here respected shyukh, such as Habib Ali etc, who visit shaykh NAzim , kiss his hands, give him utmost respect. And then there is this other side of the Coin where we have other muslims who warn about shaykh Nazim as if he is the horn of the devil. What a craziness. Are you saying that Habib Ali and etc just pay respect and kiss his hands cuz its sunnah to treat people well and inside they know the wickedness of this man. Or is it that in their books he is truly a wali, but in other peoples book he is not. What is it that Habib Ali and likes do not see, that the others see about this man. So is it that Habib Ali is simple or ignorant about this man;s corruption, or he doesnt count him as deviant. And if he doesnt think of him as devient then that means according to the other side who thinks of him as deviant, then by default makes Habib ali and likes deviant.

Or is it not that extreme. And shaykh nazim and crew is just like ordinary muslim sheikhs who happen to sometimes exaggerate in the talks, and they are light mood people who once in a week like to have a little spiritual party where they get together and have some light entertainment(singing zikr). So overall nuthing too bad, no haram , and its all good according to the scholors. Like they say in urdu Chalta hai!. so is this the case.

i would really like people to say their thoughts out, cuz i have been hearing so much stuff from people about this, and watching all these scholors also criticze him and show affection to him. that iam just confused what position should one have regarding him. If he is deviant then are the ulema such as Habib Ali etc dumb, or they just happaned to be in his town and thought about lets pay a visit to an old man, even though he is deviant, but what the heck, he is a muslim, is this the case. or they think he is right, and the other ulema who critize him think wrong.
ofcourse habib ali is not a criteria to judge people, but i am using him as an example cuz i have seen videos of him with shaykh nazim and apparently habib ali is respected in all muslim circles except die hard salafi boys, which is another extreme, and not important at all.So he is overall considered as a right scholor and upholder of sunnah.

[M1iFiNmC]

Strict deobandis will disagree on many points with also the Haba'ib and will consider the Haqanis as deviant. And then I mean those deobandis that see scholars like Shaykh Yaqubi (Syria) as 'Arabic barelwis'.

[Pwy9egVW]

So basically now deobandis have different categories too, stirct and non strict. Interesting. I recall reading an article from Mufti mohammad ibn adam, his account of visit to the habaib of Yemen and praising them . And he mentions there that Habib Ali told him about Father of habib umar , how he was a close friend of Maulana yusuf Kandhalvi, amir of tableeghi jammat, that how he helped him in preparation for the index of his master piece hayatus Sahaba, if i remember this correctly.

So apparently, deobandis are in good terms with habaib and never have called them deviants. It would be nice if some deobandi brothers shed some light on this. That what is the stance of deobandi ulema regarding the habaibs and shaykh nazim. Cuz clearly from the account of Mufti Ibn Adam, it seems that deobandis regard habaibs as true scholors.

Regarding shaykh yaqubi, i have yet to see a deobandi label him as barelvi or deviant, but no doubt barelvis love him and he loves them too.

To me it seems like the ulema of the arab world sort of pay attention to poor neglected and ignored barelvis of india and pakistan, because their biddats of actions have gone so off limit in india pakistan that religious circles have stopped paying attention to them. so the ulema in other parts of the world probably feel sorry for them and pay attention to them. But so strange that when these barelvis are back home in india pak, their meelads/mawlids and functions are so crazy and off shariah. but when they are with habaib of yemen or other western scholors, they all of a sudden become full of adab and adherent to sunnah. and the meelads become shariah compliant. But anyways this is again all from ignorant me and my observations, i can be wrong.

[tsovimnpb]

those deobandis that see scholars like Shaykh Yaqubi (Syria) as 'Arabic barelwis'.

reference please??

[KevinDonae]

if u do itikaf, make sure u ask permission from shaikkh nazimm:

http://eshaykh.com/ibadat-worship/jamaah-tablighi-boss/

for those who want to know the issues those who oppose the haqqanis have, here is a very good article with quotes:

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cu...i_unveiled.htm

[tsovimnpb]

Brother David! Islamicweb is a wahabi site!!Be careful

[KevinDonae]

Brother David! Islamicweb is a wahabi site!!Be careful

jaza Allahu khair for your advice and and concern brother, but they give you direct quotes from shaikh nazim and shaikh hisham kabani and i have owned these books and been with these two individuals and so know its true, so whether its "wahhabi" or not wouldnt make too much difference as the evidence is right in front of us to read.

also its very unclear as to what a wahhabi even is, its just a term thrown around by people who dont want to be advised that their actions contradict islamic teachings. even deobandis get called wahhabi

[tsovimnpb]

to clear ur doubt about what a wahabi is, i recommend u to read the book "Differnces in the ummah n the straight path" by maulana yusuf ludhyanvi!

[Dogxzysl]

LOL, you think that only Deobandies are on the haq and that everyone else is deviant? The habaib are from Ahlus Sunnah and so are scholars such as Shaykh Yaqoubi, etc. They just hold different opinions from the Deobandies- this does not make them deviant, nor does it make them wrong. It means there are different opinions about certain matters

[tsovimnpb]

brother! How did u predict that i believe in deobandi's only being right n rest deviant? Was it a kashf or something?? please tell me?? Warning a brother against a wahabi fitnah is the basis of this claim! How lame?? May Allah show us the straight path..