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04-03-2009, 09:30 AM | #2 |
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04-03-2009, 01:09 PM | #4 |
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http://www.gulfnews.com/World/Pakistan/10297157.html
http://changinguppakistan.wordpress....t-balochistan/ http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=168447 One pakistani kaffir ANP Party leader Asfandyar Wali Khan trying to help them. http://blog.taragana.com/n/us-drones...fandyar-20003/ |
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04-03-2009, 01:22 PM | #5 |
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04-03-2009, 01:34 PM | #6 |
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Assalam Alaikum. What ever munafiq name is, if he kill one Muslim or order to kill one Muslim or convinced to others for kill one Muslim he is murderer of Muslim and murderer of Muslim is kaffir until judgment day Allah will decide to where will his actual place for next life. |
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04-03-2009, 02:21 PM | #7 |
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04-03-2009, 02:48 PM | #8 |
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Brother, can I say La-illaha-ill-Allah and than bow to Pooja, call on 'Alee (ra), profess faith in Mirza Ghulaam and sacrifice my son to the sun? Would I still be Muslim? W/salaam. I think i wrote a pretty simple sentence. If a person accepts Mirza Ghulam as a messenger, he is a kafir. If a person calls on Ali (RA) and abuses the sahaba, and believes Quran is tempered, he is kafir. What has this got to do with what i wrote? If a person claims to be a muslim, then how can you call himself kafir? Just because he supports the US doesn't make him kafir. |
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04-03-2009, 03:31 PM | #10 |
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If a person claims to be a muslim, then how can you call himself kafir? Just because he supports the US doesn't make him kafir. My comment is not about the man or takfeer directed at him, who I frankly view as being on the side of Pakistaan, albeit in a weak and cowardly manner, but about your defending of his party's secularist agenda. As for supporting an aggressive kaafir entity, than that depends on the type of support and neither of us are qualified. |
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04-03-2009, 03:32 PM | #11 |
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Wa Alaikum Aslaam Wah RahmatAllah, |
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04-03-2009, 03:38 PM | #12 |
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Brother, you wrote that he adheres to a party which is inherently "secular". Our scholars said that those who disestablish the necessity of shariah are from the kufaar. Did I misunderstand what you were saying or are you saying that adhering to, promoting or working towards secularism - and away from shareeah - is not kufr? I'm not defending the brother who called this man a kaafir, I know little about him and laymen shouldn't be giving verdicts anyways, but how is your defense even valid when you say it doesn't matter how secular so-and-so is? Turkey bans hijaab - this is outright kufr, indisputable, in it's secularism. ANP is a secular party. They want democracy in the country. Their members offer prayers and do hajj etc. How can they be called kafirs? |
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04-03-2009, 04:07 PM | #13 |
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Brother, you wrote that he adheres to a party which is inherently "secular". Our scholars said that those who disestablish the necessity of shariah are from the kufaar. Did I misunderstand what you were saying or are you saying that adhering to, promoting or working towards secularism - and away from shareeah - is not kufr? I'm not defending the brother who called this man a kaafir, I know little about him and laymen shouldn't be giving verdicts anyways, but how is your defense even valid when you say it doesn't matter how secular so-and-so is? Turkey bans hijaab - this is outright kufr, indisputable, in it's secularism. ur exaggerating the matter brother statement clearly shows that he was talking in general Prophet said which nearly means, " the person who reads quran, namaz towards our khibla, and eats our zabiha etc.. is from us " based on this we should consider him muslim, apart from this we cant call anybody kafir unless some kufr is proven based on this Munir says we shouldnt call him kafir, even though he is secularist, u cant compare turkish act with ANP party and even no comment of Munir prove that he is supporting the secularist aggenda or something, if i am missing something, plz show me the comment |
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05-15-2009, 02:07 PM | #14 |
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