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Hanbali bros what obligations do you find difficult within the School? I have read that the School is the most conservative of all the four Schools and is the hardest to incorporate in daily life but am not sure what is meant by such a label. I suspect that due to Imam Hanbali 's (rh) strict adherence to the Quran, ahadith, athar and avoidance of performing ijtihad people claim that it is the hardest and most inflexible as say compared to the Hanafi, or Maliki School's.

Wasalaam.

[Zwnkkvle]

I think that's not true, not from a Fiqhi point of view, at least.

I remember having read some weeks ago an interesting article written by a Hanbali brother, who talked about this misunderstanding of Hanbali madhhab as the "strictest one".

He said that this view is due to a confusion:
Hanbali/Athari scholars had indeed been very "strict" and "harsh" in `Aqidah issues, because they had to face many persecutions and refute many deviations: this granted them this image of "strictness", but it's related to `Aqidah, not Fiqh.

While in Fiqh often you find the Hanbali school to be the MOST LAX (masah over socks, delaying prayer, and so on...)

And I say often because i strongly believe that there not exist such a thing like the "most liberal" school or the "strictest school": it depends on the issues discussed: in something one school is the hardest, in something else it's the "laxest".

Orientalist have always said that the Hanbali madhhab is the strictest one, and the Hanafi is the most "liberal": because they based their judgement on the USUL: since Hanbali usul are more strictly based on the texts, while the Hanafi madhhab contemplate great importance to Qiyas, they thought this automatically means that the former is "stricter" then the later, while in many issues the opposite is true, and Hanafi madhhab often results "stricter" than the Hanbali (beard and witr wajib, Sunnah prayers very insisted upon, not joining prayer in travel, masah on socks with certain conditions, and so on..).

[adariseediups]

I remember having read some weeks ago an interesting article written by a Hanbali brother, who talked about this misunderstanding of Hanbali madhhab as the "strictest one".

Can you provide the name of the article or a link.

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I agree that it depends upon the specific issue, but at the same time it would be interesting to have a comparative fiqh analysis and see where each School stands
on issues excluding aqeedah. The results may be surprising.

Orientalist have always said that the Hanbali madhhab is the strictest one, and the Hanafi is the most "liberal": because they based their judgement on the USUL: since Hanbali usul are more strictly based on the texts, while the Hanafi madhhab contemplate great importance to Qiyas, they thought this automatically means that the former is "stricter" then the later, while in many issues the opposite is true, and Hanafi madhhab often results "stricter" than the Hanbali (beard and witr wajib, Sunnah prayers very insisted upon, not joining prayer in travel, masah on socks with certain conditions, and so on..).

It might just be a stereotype labeling the School as the strictest, as you mentioned the Hanafi School does have quite a few issues that require more obligations i.e. beard length, witr, sunnah prayers etc.. what about the Hanbali fiqh what obligations do Hanbali's find difficult if I can describe it that way?

Wasalaam

[deandrecooke]

As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

I don't see the Hanbali school being harder to follow than any other. It seems you are very interested in the Hanbali maddhab. I suggest the following books may help you understand the maddhab:

Al Madkhal al Mufassal ila Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Bakr Abu Zayd.

Al Madkhal ilaa Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Ibn Badraan.

Both are only in Arabic, so if you don't know Arabic then I would suggest you get ahold of some of the REAL Hanbali scholars or students of knowledge and learn from them. One of the greatest Hanbali scholars alive today is Shaikh Abdullah bin Aqeel (May Allah protect him).

[adariseediups]

As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

I don't see the Hanbali school being harder to follow than any other. It seems you are very interested in the Hanbali maddhab. I suggest the following books may help you understand the maddhab:

Al Madkhal al Mufassal ila Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Bakr Abu Zayd.

Al Madkhal ilaa Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Ibn Badraan.

Both are only in Arabic, so if you don't know Arabic then I would suggest you get ahold of some of the REAL Hanbali scholars or students of knowledge and learn from them. One of the greatest Hanbali scholars alive today is Shaikh Abdullah bin Aqeel (May Allah protect him).

Bro ibn Farooq is there a English trans of the above books?
Anyting in English that you can recommend?

Wasalaam.

[FUNALA]

There is an extract of 'Al-Ghunya li-Talibin Tariq al-Haqq' available online. This book was originally written by the Noble Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani (ra) (also a follower of the Hanbali madhhab) and translated by al-Baz Publishers. It's not a book in itself, but at least you'll have some basic rules in English.

Please note that I don't know if the informations in this extract are correct.

I'm not the one who will engage in endless discussions about which madhhab you should follow, but you should bear in mind that following a madhhab where you have practically no resources (Ulama, Books etc.) available will probably make your life much more difficult. I personally also had a time in my life where I was like 'obsessed' of following the Hanbali madhhab, especially after I reading how pious Imam Ahmad (ra) was, but remember just because you're following his madhhab won't render you automatically into a pious person like him.

An advice I gave myself after realising my 'obsession':
Don't waste your time on getting your hands on unreachable fiqh if you already have plenty of Shafi'i and Hanafi resources available. Use your time on useful things like Quran reading, dhikr, salat etc.

Just some thoughts from your brother in Islam..

[adariseediups]

There is an extract of 'Al-Ghunya li-Talibin Tariq al-Haqq' available online. This book was originally written by the Noble Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani (ra) (also a follower of the Hanbali madhhab) and translated by al-Baz Publishers. It's not a book in itself, but at least you'll have some basic rules in English.

Please note that I don't know if the informations in this extract are correct.

I'm not the one who will engage in endless discussions about which madhhab you should follow, but you should bear in mind that following a madhhab where you have practically no resources (Ulama, Books etc.) available will probably make your life much more difficult. I personally also had a time in my life where I was like 'obsessed' of following the Hanbali madhhab, especially after I reading how pious Imam Ahmad (ra) was, but remember just because you're following his madhhab won't render you automatically into a pious person like him.

An advice I gave myself after realising my 'obsession':
Don't waste your time on getting your hands on unreachable fiqh if you already have plenty of Shafi'i and Hanafi resources available. Use your time on useful things like Quran reading, dhikr, salat etc.

Just some thoughts from your brother in Islam..

JazakAllah Khair bro al Faruqi, I appreciate your candor. I believe though that Imam Hanbal's (rh) usul, path etc was the most accurate and upon the way of the Salaf (while accepting that each Imam was correct in their own way). Because Imam Ahmad had the compilation of the most ahadith, and was the most learned of ahadith science something that his other three predecessors did not posses. Imam Shafii (rh) I believe expressed that amongst them both he (Hanbal) possessed the most knowledge of ahadith.

I agree that without proper resources to attempt to study Hanbali fiqh would be a unrealistic goal, considering that there is the Reliance maybe I should just switch to Shafii.

Wasalaam.

[Anamehuskeene]

JazakAllah Khair bro al Faruqi, I appreciate your candor. I believe though that Imam Hanbal's (rh) usul, path etc was the most accurate and upon the way of the Salaf (while accepting that each Imam was correct in their own way). Because Imam Ahmad had the compilation of the most ahadith, and was the most learned of ahadith science something that his other three predecessors did not posses. Imam Shafii (rh) I believe expressed that amongst them both he (Hanbal) possessed the most knowledge of ahadith.

I agree that without proper resources to attempt to study Hanbali fiqh would be a unrealistic goal, considering that there is the Reliance maybe I should just switch to Shafii.

Wasalaam.

As Salamu Alaykum


What we need to remember however, is that the madhhab is not just the opinions or knowledge of the founding Imam. A madhhab is a collective effort of thousands of scholars who over the centuries refined, reevaluated, revised their respective school's rulings in light of the usul of that particular school.

So to compare the Imams in relation to their knowledge of hadith isn't a fair assessment of the strength of the particular madhhab. Also mind you, the four imams were all at the level of mujtahid mutlaq. This means that they all had total competance in deriving rulings from all areas of Sacred Law from the primary sources.

Also to say Imam Ahmad's madhhab is the closest or most accurate to the Salaf as Salih is a subjective comment. If we look at each Imam and who they studied with, the same argument can be made about Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik and Imam Shafi'i. The fact is all four represent the diversity and accuracy of the Salaf as Salih. No madhhab is greater than the other, nor closer to the sunnah than the other.

Instead of jumping around trying to figure out each madhhab, one should learn the basics of the deen by studying with a teacher in your area. So if all the people in your community, especially the scholars are Hanafi then it behooves you to study the Hanafi school and understand the basics. The madhhab isnt the destination, its the way, the vehicle to aid one in their destination.

[Dndjzirw]

as-salamu `alaikum

When I was walking around to shaykh al-akbar's masjid in damascus i came across an old hanbali madrasa near to it in rukn ed-din.... i didn't go in or find anything out about it due to lack of time but I wonder if anyone like mufti husain or others who have spent more time in sham know what i'm referring to and who teaches there, etc.
the ?school of ibn qudama which was a bit further along from the madrasa was being renovated....

[Qahtwugc]

... One of the greatest Hanbali scholars alive today is Shaikh Abdullah bin Aqeel (May Allah protect him).

Do you know of any online resources where one could learn more about the Shaykh?

[deandrecooke]

Bro ibn Farooq is there a English trans of the above books?
Anyting in English that you can recommend?

Wasalaam.

With a saddened heart I have to reply with ‘no’ there is not much out there for the Hanaabilah in any language other than Arabic. This is because most of the followers of the Maddhab of Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (May Allah have mercy on him) are in Arabic speaking countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Syria, Palestine etc.) Yet, some basic books have been translated in English such as:

Fiqh Made Easy by Shaikh Saalih ibn Ghaanim al-Sadlaan
Al-Ghunya li-Talibin by Shaikh AbdulQadir Jilaani (May Allah have mercy on him)
Al-Mulakhkhas al-Fiqhi (A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence) by Shaikh Saalih al-Fawzaan
Zaad al-Ma'ad by al-Haafidh Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah (May Allah have mercy on him)

None of these are books that give only the Mu'tamad opinion for the maddhab but the best of these in my humble opinion is Al-Mulakhkhas al-Fiqhi since it is based upon Rawd al-Murbi' which is a standard relied upon book in the maddhab of Imaam Ahmad (May Allah have mercy on him)

I am working on translating al-Umdah and you can read parts of that from the lessons on my website

http://www.ibnfarooq.com/lessons.html

And yes I have Ijaza and Sanad in al-Umdah

[adariseediups]

I am working on translating al-Umdah and you can read parts of that from the lessons on my website

http://www.ibnfarooq.com/lessons.html

And yes I have Ijaza and Sanad in al-Umdah

Will the lessons cover all the topics within al Umdah?

Wasalaam.

[Yifnvmzp]

With a saddened heart I have to reply with ‘no’ there is not much out there for the Hanaabilah in any language other than Arabic. This is because most of the followers of the Maddhab of Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (May Allah have mercy on him) are in Arabic speaking countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Syria, Palestine etc.) Yet, some basic books have been translated in English such as:

Fiqh Made Easy by Shaikh Saalih ibn Ghaanim al-Sadlaan
Al-Ghunya li-Talibin by Shaikh AbdulQadir Jilaani (May Allah have mercy on him)
Al-Mulakhkhas al-Fiqhi (A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence) by Shaikh Saalih al-Fawzaan
Zaad al-Ma'ad by al-Haafidh Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah (May Allah have mercy on him)

None of these are books that give only the Mu'tamad opinion for the maddhab but the best of these in my humble opinion is Al-Mulakhkhas al-Fiqhi since it is based upon Rawd al-Murbi' which is a standard relied upon book in the maddhab of Imaam Ahmad (May Allah have mercy on him)

I am working on translating al-Umdah and you can read parts of that from the lessons on my website

http://www.ibnfarooq.com/lessons.html

And yes I have Ijaza and Sanad in al-Umdah

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

Akhi, masha Allah you've wrote everything by your own ? There is one thing I don't understand akhi, why is your questions based on names of imams instead of questions about the masalah which has been explained ? Like what is Tahur, what is the daleel for water' etc. It would be better for hanbali muqallidoon to answer such questions and memorize the rulings

[deandrecooke]

Will the lessons cover all the topics within al Umdah?

Wasalaam.

Yes, InshaAllah we plan on covering al-Umdah from cover to cover, with the help of Allah (Ta'ala)

[deandrecooke]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

Akhi, masha Allah you've wrote everything by your own ? There is one thing I don't understand akhi, why is your questions based on names of imams instead of questions about the masalah which has been explained ? Like what is Tahur, what is the daleel for water' etc. It would be better for hanbali muqallidoon to answer such questions and memorize the rulings

Yes, al-humdulullah I prepare the lessons with the help of a brother in formatting. I have my lessons checked my a Mufti who is also a good friend of mine. I use other books of scholars and reference them on the last page. I am not sure what you mean by names of Imaams and questions about the masaa'il. We mention what is Tahoor and what is the daleel but we must explain which of the scholars held this view from the maddhab.

[Anydayhybeall]

As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

I don't see the Hanbali school being harder to follow than any other. It seems you are very interested in the Hanbali maddhab. I suggest the following books may help you understand the maddhab:

Al Madkhal al Mufassal ila Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Bakr Abu Zayd.

Al Madkhal ilaa Madhhab al Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal by Shaikh Ibn Badraan.

Both are only in Arabic, so if you don't know Arabic then I would suggest you get ahold of some of the REAL Hanbali scholars or students of knowledge and learn from them. One of the greatest Hanbali scholars alive today is Shaikh Abdullah bin Aqeel (May Allah protect him).

how i can join fiqh hanbali

[qd0vhq4f]

how i can join fiqh hanbali

Unless you have resources and availability of Hanbali scholars (including Saudi) don't.

[qd0vhq4f]

It would be better to speak to Hambaly Scholar rather then ask a laymen.
Here is someone who teaches Hambely school of thought
http://web.mac.com/jawziyyah/iWeb/Th...tute/Home.html

How do you know the hanbalis here are laymen? Are you are a certified board of Hanbali scholar certification specialist?

[benderkoz]

We do not have many scholar visiting sunniforum. It would be nice to have scholar from all school with ijaza in all field from reputable scholar spending some time and providing clearance to miss conception.

Allahualam

How do you know the hanbalis here are laymen? Are you are a certified board of Hanbali scholar certification specialist?

[qd0vhq4f]

We do not have many scholar of Hanbali school visiting sunniforum. It would be nice to have scholar from all school with ijaza in all field from reputable scholar spending some time and providing clearance to miss conception. The likes of Abu Usama do not exhibit the scholarly attitude.

Allahualam

What the heck does he have to do with what I just said?