[Sthjrderfida]

So recently I started a new job and, for the first time I'm actually going out LOOKIng like a muslim (beard, kufi). Naturally, people recognize me as one. This one guy likes to ask me questions and stuff (which is sort of the point of looking like one!). He served in Iraq so he's been around muslims before (as he said when he first asked "You're white... but I know what that hat means.") However, he seems to have seen some crazy stuff so he has some funny ideas.

For example, he was under the impression that in Islam, if you make a mistake, if you sin, that's IT. You are DONE for and that there is no forgiveness. I told him I had never heard of anything like that at all. He of course thinks honor killings are part of the religion, because he knew of some Jordanian man who killed his daughter.

There was something else he mentioned that I am forgetting, but my question is, for the "no forgiveness in Islam" thing is... has anyone heard this? My concern is not "is this true islam?" Cause I know it's not, so you don't need to quote hadith or ayat about it. My question is if anyone knows the origins of these deviant beliefs. Any Iraqis? Is this a particular cultural thing?

If I remember the other questions or funny ideas he'd heard I'll post them here too.

[chelviweeme]

So recently I started a new job and, for the first time I'm actually going out LOOKIng like a muslim (beard, kufi). Naturally, people recognize me as one. This one guy likes to ask me questions and stuff (which is sort of the point of looking like one!). He served in Iraq so he's been around muslims before (as he said when he first asked "You're white... but I know what that hat means.") However, he seems to have seen some crazy stuff so he has some funny ideas.

For example, he was under the impression that in Islam, if you make a mistake, if you sin, that's IT. You are DONE for and that there is no forgiveness. I told him I had never heard of anything like that at all. He of course thinks honor killings are part of the religion, because he knew of some Jordanian man who killed his daughter.

There was something else he mentioned that I am forgetting, but my question is, for the "no forgiveness in Islam" thing is... has anyone heard this? My concern is not "is this true islam?" Cause I know it's not, so you don't need to quote hadith or ayat about it. My question is if anyone knows the origins of these deviant beliefs. Any Iraqis? Is this a particular cultural thing?

If I remember the other questions or funny ideas he'd heard I'll post them here too.

Maybe:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=145&CATE=24

[6Rexw51X]

So recently I started a new job and, for the first time I'm actually going out LOOKIng like a muslim (beard, kufi). Naturally, people recognize me as one. This one guy likes to ask me questions and stuff (which is sort of the point of looking like one!). He served in Iraq so he's been around muslims before (as he said when he first asked "You're white... but I know what that hat means.") However, he seems to have seen some crazy stuff so he has some funny ideas.

For example, he was under the impression that in Islam, if you make a mistake, if you sin, that's IT. You are DONE for and that there is no forgiveness. I told him I had never heard of anything like that at all. He of course thinks honor killings are part of the religion, because he knew of some Jordanian man who killed his daughter.

There was something else he mentioned that I am forgetting, but my question is, for the "no forgiveness in Islam" thing is... has anyone heard this? My concern is not "is this true islam?" Cause I know it's not, so you don't need to quote hadith or ayat about it. My question is if anyone knows the origins of these deviant beliefs. Any Iraqis? Is this a particular cultural thing?

If I remember the other questions or funny ideas he'd heard I'll post them here too.

Yeah, I have a friend who thought the same thing--ie that if you do something un-Islamic you're simply not a Muslim anymore. It has to do with the way in which Islam is presented to Western audiences. People get the impression that if a Muslim smokes weed or kisses a woman, they're simply killed under the sharia. They seem to think that no Muslims ever commit any sins, or if they do commit sins (ie lying), they're not really sins cause it's alright to do those things to non-Muslims. There seriously are people that think it's a Muslims duty to simply murder all non-Muslims. They think that Christians and Jews living in Islamic lands were wiped out centuries ago. This just gives you an idea of the ignorance that exists about Islam in many parts of the country. But what can you expect? Most people barely know their own history, let alone the history of cultures halfway across the world. Even in regards to their own religion, they can be just as ignorant. I think I saw a survey that said half of all Roman Catholics don't know that when they eat the bread and drink the wine during communion, according to Roman Catholic theology they literally are eating the blood and flesh of Isa .

Also, him having been in Iraq has nothing to do with it. Most of the soldiers that serve there have no understanding whatsoever of the people whose country they're occupying. They don't speak their language, they don't interact with them in any meaningful way (most only leave their bases to do patrols), and most of everything they've most likely heard about Islam has come from some Robert Spencer-like polemicist who get paid by my tax dollars to spew his vitriol about Islam.

[eI7iqNot]

I espeak language of Catolico! I help if Profeta (PBUH) allow me. How sorry I am for Palestina from (evil) Jew who hurt Palestiana. I make prayer (oraciones to help) for Palestina. I want to be Muslamin. How to be?

[Kamendoriks]

I espeak language of Catolico! I help if Profeta (PBUH) allow me. How sorry I am for Palestina from (evil) Jew who hurt Palestiana. I make prayer (oraciones to help) for Palestina. I want to be Muslamin. How to be?

bism:

To become a Muslim, one has to pronounce 'Shahadah' in Arabic. Here is the ShahadaH:

Ash Hadu Anlaa ilaaha illallah wa ash Hadu Anna Muhammadu rasoolullah

Meaning: I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is his Messenger.


To pronounce it correctly I have added a video, It would be easier for you bro. Do not wait, become a Muslim
May Allah guide you in the right path. Ameen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yASGCOPFNiM

[dexterljohnthefinanceguy]

My question is if anyone knows the origins of these deviant beliefs. Any Iraqis? Is this a particular cultural thing?

Salam.

there is a sect that believe in the idea that when a sin is committed then there is no forgiveness for it. I remember seeing it but i just cant remember which one it is. But its a very very small sect and so i doubt he'd heard it from them.

He's probably just built up the idea from misunderstanding and general ignorance.

[CializCialiscsqw]

I espeak language of Catolico! I help if Profeta (PBUH) allow me. How sorry I am for Palestina from (evil) Jew who hurt Palestiana. I make prayer (oraciones to help) for Palestina. I want to be Muslamin. How to be?

Acaba de decir las palabras que el hermano azhar123 escribió antes:

Ash.hadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa ash.hadu anna Muhammadan Rasulullah

con la intención de aceptar el Islam, y estarà musulmán!

Mira el vídeo para escuchar la pronunciación correcta..

[Kamendoriks]

Acaba de decir las palabras que el hermano azhar123 escribió antes:

Ash.hadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa ash.hadu anna Muhammadan Rasulullah

con la intención de aceptar el Islam, y estarà musulmán!

Mira el vídeo para escuchar la pronunciación correcta..

I was hoping you would come, I had a hunch you would be knowing spanish too.

[Z3s9vQZj]

I know a bunch of Jordanians who are of the understanding that someone who commits Kaba'ir such as Zina are not Muslim. I was even told how someone with homosexual thoughts cannot be a Muslim, even if he does not act upon it. Obviously it is because they havn't looked at what the Ulama say. But a lot of the ´awwam have these kind of beliefs.

[Blellurgews]

there is a sect that believe in the idea that when a sin is committed then there is no forgiveness for it. I remember seeing it but i just cant remember which one it is. But its a very very small sect and so i doubt he'd heard it from them.

You're probably refering to the Mutazillah.

[CializCialiscsqw]

I was hoping you would come, I had a hunch you would be knowing spanish too.

Nope brother I do not know Spanish, but it's very similar (and easily understandable) to Italian, so just a some help from Google translator and here we are!

[Mjxhnapi]

It's not the mu'tazilah, it's the khawaawrij, True Life.

[Kamendoriks]

Nope brother I do not know Spanish, but it's very similar (and easily understandable) to Italian, so just a some help from Google translator and here we are!

lol ok. Anyways you were able to convey the message. Lets pray that he comes back and sees it.

[Blellurgews]

It's not the mu'tazilah, it's the khawaawrij, True Life.

Don't they have some points in common? Anyway, you're probably correct.

[Mjxhnapi]

The mu'tazilah were from the opposite of the intellectual spectrum, if you want to think of it that way. There were certainly simillarities between the mu'tazilah and the qadariyyah, but not the khawaarij.

The khawaawij used their belief that a sinner was a kafir to make takfir of the rulers and attempt to overthrow them, hence their name.