[Arrecteve]

Asalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh


Dear brothers, I was recently talking to a historian who filled me with all sorts of worrying thoughts about the origins of Islam. I don't want to bring all of the points up... but one thing he said which has troubled me is that in the Qur'an, the Meccan pagans are described as agriculturalists in many places, and that this cannot be true because of the climate of Mecca. Particularly having cattle and the references to fruits and olives as in the verses in Surat al-An'am v.136-145. He said that the pagans cannot have been Meccans and that Mecca only became important many years after the Prophet's (saws) death. Please can somebody give me an answer?

wa salam

[EvaQWmrm]

A single search will reveal that olives, pomegranates, and date-palms (obviously) have been cultivated in what is now Saudi Arabia for aeons.

Observe: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs...axon.pl?410990 (olives)
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/m...megranate.html (pomegranates)

These are the plants referred to in Surat al-An'am, and of course they had herds as well. Does this historian mean to have us believe that the pagans of Makkah subsisted on sand and sunlight?

[Jadldqys]

Assalamu Aleikum,


Don't listen to these people.
Most orientalists litterary have given up on refuting the Qur'an.
Most of their objections are based on speculation, only that can calm their
mind and approve their way of life.

Do a bit of research yourself before talking to people like that.
Keep also in mind that the Qur'an has been sent down for the whole of mankind.
I think the brothers here offered some good links.

Waleikum Salam,

[Arrecteve]

masha'allah these are really good points jazakum allah.

I think that the problem is that these orientalists attribute these verses to Mecca when it does not say this in the Qur'an. Astaghfirullah. Thank you for your replies brothers.

wa alaykum asalam

[Arrecteve]

Why was the brother from UAE's post removed? I found it very beneficial..

[dexterljohnthefinanceguy]

Asalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh


Dear brothers, I was recently talking to a historian who filled me with all sorts of worrying thoughts about the origins of Islam. I don't want to bring all of the points up... but one thing he said which has troubled me is that in the Qur'an, the Meccan pagans are described as agriculturalists in many places, and that this cannot be true because of the climate of Mecca. Particularly having cattle and the references to fruits and olives as in the verses in Surat al-An'am v.136-145. He said that the pagans cannot have been Meccans and that Mecca only became important many years after the Prophet's (saws) death. Please can somebody give me an answer?

wa salam

You should use your own logic. Can a people really survive to become an extremely rich trading centre without growing food or anything? Ofcourse palm trees grow in the climate; we can see it happens now.

This historian is just stupid.